(07-20-2014 01:57 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 12:06 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:41 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 10:07 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 09:32 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't think you have a very clear understanding of how things work over there. We can debate ideas like this in the abstract because we are not the ones being attacked. If the rockets were being launched at NYC and DC, the residents of those cities might not be very happy to turn it over to the UN. Suppose that UN police is as effective as the Chicago police are in preventing gun deaths. Is that okay? Do you have any reason to believe that a UN police force would be more successful than that? What happens when the Palestinians start killing the UN police?

What do you think is the likelihood of success of your approach?
If it fails, what then?

FYI, I was saying turn. Gaza City over to the UN after disarming Gaza. Also, UN has the ability to choice with peace forcing it sends, sending a force made up of mostly of forces from Muslim countries would lessen the likely hood of them being attack. Also, I don't think the Chicago police do patrols in armed vehicles, like Bradley APC, M117 APC, T-72 tanks, etc.

Add how do you propose *KEEPING* Gaza disarmed?

Not to mention that the people in Gaza might not take too kindly to UN forces in their city.

As opposed to being bombed and having IDF troops in Gaza and Hamas F-ing things up. They may dance in the streets.

You keep them disarmed with the UN forces.

So the UN isll be bombing Hamas and have troops fighting?? Yea that's going go swimmingly..

(07-20-2014 12:05 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 01:57 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 12:06 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:41 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 10:07 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  FYI, I was saying turn. Gaza City over to the UN after disarming Gaza. Also, UN has the ability to choice with peace forcing it sends, sending a force made up of mostly of forces from Muslim countries would lessen the likely hood of them being attack. Also, I don't think the Chicago police do patrols in armed vehicles, like Bradley APC, M117 APC, T-72 tanks, etc.

Add how do you propose *KEEPING* Gaza disarmed?

Not to mention that the people in Gaza might not take too kindly to UN forces in their city.

As opposed to being bombed and having IDF troops in Gaza and Hamas F-ing things up. They may dance in the streets.

You keep them disarmed with the UN forces.

So the UN isll be bombing Hamas and have troops fighting?? Yea that's going go swimmingly..

It's silliness and a silly suggestion. There's about a 500% better chance of the UN trying to insert "their troops" into freakin' Israel than the possibility they would ever be willing or entertain the idea of occupying Gaza etc.

Any second now the UN will condemn Israel as the aggressor in this and demand they cease operations and make a peace offering. Course then we'll veto the measure as the only true ally Israel has and Hamas will renew their vow to kill the Great Satan and run Israel into the sea. Lather. Rinse. Repeat...

(07-20-2014 01:53 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 10:07 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 09:32 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 02:41 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  No it does not, go in disarm, bring UN forces to police.

I don't think you have a very clear understanding of how things work over there. We can debate ideas like this in the abstract because we are not the ones being attacked. If the rockets were being launched at NYC and DC, the residents of those cities might not be very happy to turn it over to the UN. Suppose that UN police is as effective as the Chicago police are in preventing gun deaths. Is that okay? Do you have any reason to believe that a UN police force would be more successful than that? What happens when the Palestinians start killing the UN police?

What do you think is the likelihood of success of your approach?
If it fails, what then?

FYI, I was saying turn. Gaza City over to the UN after disarming Gaza. Also, UN has the ability to choice with peace forcing it sends, sending a force made up of mostly of forces from Muslim countries would lessen the likely hood of them being attack. Also, I don't think the Chicago police do patrols in armed vehicles, like Bradley APC, M117 APC, T-72 tanks, etc.

Oh yes, inserting a few thousand Muslim troops into Gaza should make Israel feel safe.

Guess you missed the part where they are UN troops, under UN control.

No, I read that. Given the historic performance of UN troops, i would not be optimistic.

Interesting thread. This is the basic gist : anything that's prop-Palestinian is propaganda and anything that's pro-Israeli is the Truth.

(07-21-2014 04:43 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Interesting thread. This is the basic gist : anything that's prop-Palestinian is propaganda and anything that's pro-Israeli is the Truth.

Yes...and with reason. Harboring and collaborating with terrorists makes you one. When the Palestinians understand this then they will be able to live in peace.

(07-21-2014 04:43 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Interesting thread. This is the basic gist : anything that's prop-Palestinian is propaganda and anything that's pro-Israeli is the Truth.

No, anything that is propaganda is propaganda and anything that is truth is truth.

Here is the truth. It is not possible to create two viable states--one Jewish and one Palestinian--from the current footprint of Israel. Everything else is pretty much propaganda from one side or the other.

Mach wrote:

Quote:You can look at a situation and find genuine fault without being an anti Semite.

Yet anyone who criticizes Obama's policies is a racist. Got it.

(07-21-2014 04:43 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Interesting thread. This is the basic gist : anything that's prop-Palestinian is propaganda and anything that's pro-Israeli is the Truth.

Interpreted differently, anyone that presents a coherent argument and provides sufficient data and background to back it up deserves to be considered credible. Those that can't and won't, respectively, should not be considered credible.

(07-21-2014 04:43 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Interesting thread. This is the basic gist : anything that's prop-Palestinian is propaganda and anything that's pro-Israeli is the Truth.

100% accurate

You might add that anything that isn't blindly pro Israeli is anti Semitic.

No where does our media fail us worse than in the treatment of this conflict.

Socratic is adept at bouncing from the credible to the absurd.

(07-21-2014 10:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 04:43 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Interesting thread. This is the basic gist : anything that's prop-Palestinian is propaganda and anything that's pro-Israeli is the Truth.

100% accurate

You might add that anything that isn't blindly pro Israeli is anti Semitic.

No where does our media fail us worse than in the treatment of this conflict.

Hater.

(07-21-2014 10:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Socratic is adept at bouncing from the credible to the absurd.

Mack, you are a certifiable loon.

(07-21-2014 10:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 04:43 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Interesting thread. This is the basic gist : anything that's prop-Palestinian is propaganda and anything that's pro-Israeli is the Truth.

100% accurate

You might add that anything that isn't blindly pro Israeli is anti Semitic.

No where does our media fail us worse than in the treatment of this conflict.

The last thread that you used this in, you wound up calling me racist... is this your way of preparing the ground?

The biggest place that our media fails us is their failure to understand the issues here.

Heard an analysis this morning suggesting that Arabs are rooting for Israel in this fight. I think that may well be the case. How many in our media understand that?

(07-21-2014 10:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Socratic is adept at bouncing from the credible to the absurd.

I take that as a complement since anyone would understand that it was meant to be sarcastic.

And it was no more absurd than your post:

Quote:Maybe what Israel needs to do is build some furnaces for a final solution.

We are 215 posts into a thread entitled "Evidence of Israel targeting civilians," and so far no such evidence. WTF???

(07-21-2014 04:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We are 215 posts into a thread entitled "Evidence of Israel targeting civilians," and so far no such evidence. WTF???

Are you saying- Not a Smidgen?!?

(07-21-2014 01:52 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The biggest place that our media fails us is their failure to understand the issues here.

Heard an analysis this morning suggesting that Arabs are rooting for Israel in this fight. I think that may well be the case. How many in our media understand that?

I would say they are as well. If Israel can handle Islamic extremists they don't have too. Plus, it's telling that Egypt, NOT controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood, is looking to broker a deal.

I guess the board Libs think Hamas has smart rockets that only target military personel. I mean really.

(07-21-2014 05:22 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  I guess the board Libs think Hamas has smart rockets that only target military personel. I mean really.

No, the libs think Hamas hasn't launched any rockets. They want more proof they launched them. To Libs, Hamas is like the girl nextdoor. Hamas is an enigma.

Loony ba$tards.