(07-11-2014 07:33 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As long as Tubs and co. continue to get the type of talent they have landed from Florida, Georgia, Virginia, Alabama and across Ohio the past couple years I will be happy. The bluechips from St. X and Moeller don't want to come here anyway, let them go off to the B10 country and enjoy letting their parents and friends drive 2-4 hours away to watch them play.

Doug Bates is from Moeller and he just signed recently. Danny Milligan was from X, Frank Becker from Moeller as well...all kids that have been through the program in recent years.

That being said, the bluechips from Moeller and St. X are often nationally recruited prospects and therefore commit to schools that recruit at that level. Until UC can recruit at such a high degree, its pointless to criticize these kids for leaving home. The current classes all grew up watching OSU and ND anysways. In the coming years, you will see more kids that followed UC during the BK years while they themselves were in middle school, and i predict you will see some of those prospects fall in love with the idea of staying home at program which they saw first-hand winning big games. That's when the bluechips from St. X and Moeller will become Bearcats.

(07-11-2014 07:22 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(07-11-2014 07:33 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As long as Tubs and co. continue to get the type of talent they have landed from Florida, Georgia, Virginia, Alabama and across Ohio the past couple years I will be happy. The bluechips from St. X and Moeller don't want to come here anyway, let them go off to the B10 country and enjoy letting their parents and friends drive 2-4 hours away to watch them play.

Doug Bates is from Moeller and he just signed recently. Danny Milligan was from X, Frank Becker from Moeller as well...all kids that have been through the program in recent years.

That being said, the bluechips from Moeller and St. X are often nationally recruited prospects and therefore commit to schools that recruit at that level. Until UC can recruit at such a high degree, its pointless to criticize these kids for leaving home. The current classes all grew up watching OSU and ND anysways. In the coming years, you will see more kids that followed UC during the BK years while they themselves were in middle school, and i predict you will see some of those prospects fall in love with the idea of staying home at program which they saw first-hand winning big games. That's when the bluechips from St. X and Moeller will become Bearcats.

I don't think it is that easy. You say they grew up watching ND and Columbus State, but during the time these now 17-18 year olds were coming up, we were ranked in the Top 10 (higher than both ND and that other school) and went to 2 BCS bowls. They were then 11-12 year olds (when kids are most impressionable) and have seen our success since then.

Kids love leaving leaving the nest especially when they have a full ride. Very natural to want to get away.

From a non-athlete point of view:

When I was in school there were a LOT of engineers from the Cleveland area at UC. When I asked some f them why, they replied, "UC was the farthest they could get away from Cleveland and still pay in state tuition."

My orthodontist once said the only difference between going to high school and college for him was he got off the bus at a different stop. I would really NOT want that for college. I would want to go away a little bit from home.

(07-11-2014 10:22 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  From a non-athlete point of view:

When I was in school there were a LOT of engineers from the Cleveland area at UC. When I asked some f them why, they replied, "UC was the farthest they could get away from Cleveland and still pay in state tuition."

My orthodontist once said the only difference between going to high school and college for him was he got off the bus at a different stop. I would really NOT want that for college. I would want to go away a little bit from home.

1/2 of my fraternity was from Cleveland.

I hope Ohio State never gets another player from the Cincinnati area. I really do not like the Buckeyes... and that's even before Va Tech plays 'em this year!

My favorite Ohio State football games last year - the last 2.

(07-13-2014 06:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I hope Ohio State never gets another player from the Cincinnati area. I really do not like the Buckeyes... and that's even before Va Tech plays 'em this year!

My favorite Ohio State football games last year - the last 2.

I always watch to$u as long as there is a chance they will lose. I loved watching the last 2 games to a wonderful conclusion!

This isnt a shot at anyone, because I see a lot of UC fans do it, but I never understood why when some of us abbreviate O$U, we willingly give them the "t". tO$U. The Ohio State University. Okay, fine I guess. But ive always viewed it as saying something else, so pay close attention to the capital letters in this next sentence. The Ohio state University. Implying its supremacy and singularity in the state of Ohio. Just something I figured WE wouldn't want to perpetuate.

(07-13-2014 10:29 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  This isnt a shot at anyone, because I see a lot of UC fans do it, but I never understood why when some of us abbreviate O$U, we willingly give them the "t". tO$U. The Ohio State University. Okay, fine I guess. But ive always viewed it as saying something else, so pay close attention to the capital letters in this next sentence. The Ohio state University. Implying its supremacy and singularity in the state of Ohio. Just something I figured WE wouldn't want to perpetuate.

I put the "t" on the front of OSU because there are other OSU's out there (Oregon State U, Oklahoma State U etc) and while most of us think Ohio State when we see OSU, people outside of Ohio don't necessarily think that so the "t" sets them apart since they are the only ones bold enough to take the "The" in front of their name. Especially when talking in other forums...not every thinks "ohio state" when they see OSU. People from SW Missouri see OSU and think Oklahoma State...as a matter of fact the papers here call Oklahoma State OSU in the paper all the time.

I put the lowercase "t" on there to mock them. After all, the only reason they started that "THE Ohio State University" crap is because they wrongfully tried to sue Ohio University to invalidate OU's trademark on the word "Ohio" for collegiate items. They lost, so they started that "THE" bulls--t.

So it's tO$U.

(07-11-2014 07:47 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Kids love leaving leaving the nest especially when they have a full ride. Very natural to want to get away.

That's my thought. That is why I don't mind seeing CTT cast his net over the South, as well as Ohio.

I understand wanting to leave but many miss the opportunity to make valuable connections for the future. Go to MSU and sit on the bench or play some and come home 4 years latter with a business degree and see if it opens any local doors. Stay in Cincy and 4 years latter you may be known or know local movers and shakers.

Of course most of these kids think they will be in the NFL.

(07-15-2014 08:50 AM)dossbig Wrote:  I understand wanting to leave but many miss the opportunity to make valuable connections for the future. Go to MSU and sit on the bench or play some and come home 4 years latter with a business degree and see if it opens any local doors. Stay in Cincy and 4 years latter you may be known or know local movers and shakers.

Of course most of these kids think they will be in the NFL.

To play Devil's Advocate in Cincinnati the fact that these kids went to Elder, St. X or Moe is a bigger connector than what university they atteded. Now the kid's from the other schools in the area on the hand....

(07-15-2014 08:50 AM)dossbig Wrote:  I understand wanting to leave but many miss the opportunity to make valuable connections for the future. Go to MSU and sit on the bench or play some and come home 4 years latter with a business degree and see if it opens any local doors. Stay in Cincy and 4 years latter you may be known or know local movers and shakers.

Of course most of these kids think they will be in the NFL.

You realize that those players could end up getting the same opportunities or perhaps even better ones elsewhere, right? Most college athletes end up making valuable connections that can help them in their future endeavors. Opportunities aren't limited to the immediate area where they attended college either.

(07-13-2014 10:29 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  This isnt a shot at anyone, because I see a lot of UC fans do it, but I never understood why when some of us abbreviate O$U, we willingly give them the "t". tO$U. The Ohio State University. Okay, fine I guess. But ive always viewed it as saying something else, so pay close attention to the capital letters in this next sentence. The Ohio state University. Implying its supremacy and singularity in the state of Ohio. Just something I figured WE wouldn't want to perpetuate.

I think it is meant to be sarcastic, but I, nonetheless, agree. Most OSU fans who see it, will certainly take the view that it is meant to be some sort of compliment.

(07-15-2014 10:44 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 10:29 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  This isnt a shot at anyone, because I see a lot of UC fans do it, but I never understood why when some of us abbreviate O$U, we willingly give them the "t". tO$U. The Ohio State University. Okay, fine I guess. But ive always viewed it as saying something else, so pay close attention to the capital letters in this next sentence. The Ohio state University. Implying its supremacy and singularity in the state of Ohio. Just something I figured WE wouldn't want to perpetuate.

I think it is meant to be sarcastic, but I, nonetheless, agree. Most OSU fans who see it, will certainly take the view that it is meant to be some sort of compliment.

We're getting a little off-topic here but what's the word...Meh! I don't think Ohio State cares how other fans refer to them because they are in their own world and worrying about winning the Big Ten and national championships. It is definitely sarcasm among us within Bearcat Nation and I happen to enjoy it. I usually refer to them as theOSU with lowercase "the" to poke a little fun. If you read the posts that contain the different versions of the OSU letters the context typically lets folks know that it is not to give them props or to pay them a compliment.

Lower-case "t" - I missed that detail

Honestly, outside of the truly elite guys (maybe 2-3) per year, the guys UC are landing in FL, GA and elsewhere are every bit as good as the ones that come out of this area. I think Tubberville feels that way at least, and I know Butch Jones and his staff felt that way as well when they were at UC. It's kind of interesting that he has offered very few Cincy targets in his 2 years at TN (I think Elijah Taylor at Moe is it) along with the current sophomore DE out of Cincinnati Hills Christian.

The school in Columbus is a relative Johnny-come-lately (1870) in Ohio academic circles. Ohio University in Athens (1804) was already well established, so Columbus had to settle for Ohio State University (I used to think that the "state" was because it's a land-grant institution, but then so is the University of Florida, so that can't be the reason). The distinguishing "the" (always with a lowercase "t") entered into the equation only recently. I think I first heard it when pro football players were asked to name their alma maters during pre-game introductions). That was maybe ten or fifteen years ago, at most. How and why it got started or caught on is beyond me, because there aren't any other Ohio State Universities around with which it might be confused. At least I hope not. In any event, we just called it Ohio State back in the day. That was good enough when we beat them twice for the NCAA basketball championship, and that's good enough now -- Ohio State, with no preceding "the" and no "university." Perfect clarity is always good enough.

Hmmm... I wonder if I should consider writing down my street address with a "the" in front of the house number so nobody confuses it with all the other identical addresses on my street and in my town and state?

(07-15-2014 12:41 PM)colohank Wrote:  The school in Columbus is a relative Johnny-come-lately (1870) in Ohio academic circles. Ohio University in Athens (1804) was already well established, so Columbus had to settle for Ohio State University (I used to think that the "state" was because it's a land-grant institution, but then so is the University of Florida, so that can't be the reason). The distinguishing "the" (always with a lowercase "t") entered into the equation only recently. I think I first heard it when pro football players were asked to name their alma maters during pre-game introductions). That was maybe ten or fifteen years ago, at most. How and why it got started or caught on is beyond me, because there aren't any other Ohio State Universities around with which it might be confused. At least I hope not. In any event, we just called it Ohio State back in the day. That was good enough when we beat them twice for the NCAA basketball championship, and that's good enough now -- Ohio State, with no preceding "the" and no "university." Perfect clarity is always good enough.

Hmmm... I wonder if I should consider writing down my street address with a "the" in front of the house number so nobody confuses it with all the other identical addresses on my street and in my town and state?

It goes back to 1998. Ohio State filed a petition with the US Patent and Trademark Office to cancel Ohio University's trademark of Ohio. The reason given is that Ohio State wanted to sell Ohio sweat shirts and caps.

The second part of it is a global mission by the university to become the only university that Ohioans would support. This mission has been spoken of numerous times by OSU President E. Gordon Gee. They, and correct there are, see an athletic and academic advantage by being "The" Ohio State University, as opposed to a state like Michigan or Alabama where there are two major schools that receive rooting interest within the state from the citizenry and attention from the statehouse.