(07-14-2014 01:28 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Are you even listening to yourself? YOU brought up the distant past to prove a point, that you had faired well against better competition, and it did not such thing. Don't blame me for that. YOU wanted to use 2001-03 numbers to prove it. Not me.

You're wrong. Look back. I brought up the distant past when we made the jump to a stronger conference to show that trying to pick this game or that game was stupid and used to show how losing ECU teams still beat teams like Marquette in the top 10 or Louisville. I'm sure no one would have picked those wins, and I could very easily see a couple of them this year when marquee teams come to Minges and it's rocking. That's the context it was used in, NOTHING MORE.

Quote:So far, nothing you have said, not even a little bit, that disputes anything that I wrote

In your personal opinion. I have a NBA/ESPN employed mathematician that disagrees with that.

Quote:And for the love of god, stop trying to act as though one winning season in conference USA, in 13 tries is the norm, as opposed to the 11 double digit loss seasons n that time frame (let me remind you again that is 11 double digit loss seasons in only 16 conference games). Seriously, let it go.

I didn't realize Herrion and Ricky Stokes are still coaching here? or we were bringing back some of that players that are now pushing 35 years old and probably have grey beards. Cool.

(07-14-2014 01:37 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  I think you are laughably overrating Lance Tejada, who again, wasn't a top 100/150 recruit on a single site.

He was when he committed.



...wonder how much him committing to lowly ECU had anything to do with that. Either way this is a guy that doubled his scoring average his Senior year and had offers from....

Virginia, Florida State, Miami, Alabama, Butler, Texas A&M last summer when we got him

-Virginia was a #1 seed in 2014, won the ACC regular season and Tourny
-Miami won the #2 seed, ACC regular season and tourny in 2013
-FSU won the ACC tourny in 2012
-Butler....Brad Stevens was on him

These are coaches that are not recruiting flashy 5 star studs but clearly getting under recruited studs and doing big things with them. Good enough company for me.

Being a 6' PG and being highly recruited is much different than being a 6-9 guy. Less bust potiental with a lot of the guards because they GOT to have some skill to even get noticed. If you are big there are only so many of them anyway. They also play arguably the more important position in college basketball. I'd personally rather be good at PG than anywhere else.

Go to sleep SJ

(07-14-2014 01:23 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  Man ECU fan will just keep coming and keep coming highjacking a thread that was good foder for the teams that did have players mentioned. Sorry damn we need to make sure the league puts a token ECU player in any of their player projections for the AAC going forward.

Yeah, one ******* that most ECU fans hate to read discuss hoops. I have to admit it's fun to see him get clowned by fans that actually know the game and not just numbers. Fact is, we COULD end up with a semi-respectable RPI and get owned in conference simply due to the other schools SOS and overall strength of the league. That won't really be the measure of an improving team IMHO but you'll never convince him of that.

(07-14-2014 01:48 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:37 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  I think you are laughably overrating Lance Tejada, who again, wasn't a top 100/150 recruit on a single site.

He was when he committed.



...wonder how much him committing to lowly ECU had anything to do with that. Either way this is a guy that doubled his scoring average his Senior year and had offers from....

Virginia, Florida State, Miami, Alabama, Butler, Texas A&M last summer when we got him

-Virginia was a #1 seed in 2014, won the ACC regular season and Tourny
-Miami won the #2 seed, ACC regular season and tourny in 2013
-FSU won the ACC tourny in 2012
-Butler....Brad Stevens was on him

These are coaches that are not recruiting flashy 5 star studs but clearly getting under recruited studs and doing big things with them. Good enough company for me.

Being a 6' PG and being highly recruited is much different than being a 6-9 guy. Less bust potiental with a lot of the guards because they GOT to have some skill to even get noticed. If you are big there are only so many of them anyway. They also play arguably the more important position in college basketball. I'd personally rather be good at PG than anywhere else.

His offer list is nothing special and he wasn't dropped because he committed to ECU.

Programs with top 150 recruits in 2014:

Seton Hall
Rhode Island
Bradley
UTEP
Northwestern
Dayton
Fresno State
BC
Rutgers

Lance Tejada being dropped wasn't a conspiracy theory. He was dropped because he's not that good and no one cares about his high school stats.

(07-14-2014 01:42 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  You're wrong. Look back. I brought up the distant past when we made the jump to a stronger conference to show that trying to pick this game or that game was stupid and used to show how losing ECU teams still beat teams like Marquette in the top 10 or Louisville.

And I showed that when making the "jump," you only managed to win 37% of those games twice in 13 years, and that when I said "it is easier said than done," your retort actually PROVED my point and disproved yours

Quote:In your personal opinion. I have a NBA/ESPN employed mathematician that disagrees with that.

Let's be clear. YOUR personal opinion, you just tried to tell me someone might have a job where is role is to NEVER rebound, make assists, block or steal the ball. My personal opinion is YOU don't know sheet about basketball after stating that.

Quote:I didn't realize Herrion and Ricky Stokes are still coaching here? or we were bringing back some of that players that are now pushing 35 years old and probably have grey beards. Cool.

I didn't realize that 1 out of 13 is "the norm" and not the exception. Ask your NBA/ESPN employed mathematician about that, and see what he says?

(07-14-2014 02:06 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:23 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  Man ECU fan will just keep coming and keep coming highjacking a thread that was good foder for the teams that did have players mentioned. Sorry damn we need to make sure the league puts a token ECU player in any of their player projections for the AAC going forward.

Yeah, one ******* that most ECU fans hate to read discuss hoops. I have to admit it's fun to see him get clowned by fans that actually know the game and not just numbers. Fact is, we COULD end up with a semi-respectable RPI and get owned in conference simply due to the other schools SOS and overall strength of the league. That won't really be the measure of an improving team IMHO but you'll never convince him of that.

Oppose to what, you? A person that contributes nothing tangible to threads other than excuses and pot shots. You are just a clown. I know nothing about basketball, guess Kemp and Richmond actually did suck and should have been on the bench behind role players

(07-14-2014 02:14 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  And I showed that when making the "jump," you only managed to win 37% of those games twice in 13 years, and that when I said "it is easier said than done," your retort actually PROVED my point and disproved yours

So Herrion is coming back with his band of greybeards today? How is this relevant. We are making the jump to a conference with 7 of the same 11 teams we have been playing with the last decade. Your point is apples and friggen oranges when comparing making the jump from the CAA with teams like American and UNCW to the division with Louisville, Cincy, Marquette, Charlotte, and St Louis playing them all twice. The only thing I pointed out is unforseen upsets are going to likley happen when Minges gets rocking for name schools. That was the entire context.

Quote:Let's be clear. YOUR personal opinion, you just tried to tell me someone might have a job where is role is to NEVER rebound, make assists, block or steal the ball. My personal opinion is YOU don't know sheet about basketball after stating that.

I was thinking the same thing about you. When you score as efficiently as he did in a part time starter role, that trumps a lot clearly. I didn't write the formula.

Quote:I didn't realize that 1 out of 13 is "the norm" and not the exception. Ask your NBA/ESPN employed mathematician about that, and see what he says?

Actually it's 2 respectable years out of the 4 Lebo has been here. We may have been 8-8 that first year but we played in the division with all the top CUSA team and a top 45 SOS. Kind of matters and why overall standings are a load of $hit in a lot of the conferences and no where near apples to apples when the teams out west were mostly all 200+ teams playing each other. That's where people like Blunderbuss can't see the big picture much less wrap your head around it, (forget it being only one half of the season) and why tools like RPI do carry importance.

Shut up SJ!!! No ones cares!!!!

(07-14-2014 02:47 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Shut up SJ!!! No ones cares!!!!

This^

i dont care what anyone says SJ is slowly becoming one of my favorites

he is a super homer but he's respectable and strong belief in his team,
you better not disappear if ECU starts losing. i will definitely eat crow and say you were right all along if ecu comes out strong.

i look forward to a season long worth of trash talk with you

(07-14-2014 01:42 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:23 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  Man ECU fan will just keep coming and keep coming highjacking a thread that was good foder for the teams that did have players mentioned. Sorry damn we need to make sure the league puts a token ECU player in any of their player projections for the AAC going forward.

How is it hijacking a thread when the thread title is "CBSSN makes American Projections"? Go back to making meth.

and you can continue smoking it!

(07-14-2014 03:36 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:42 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:23 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  Man ECU fan will just keep coming and keep coming highjacking a thread that was good foder for the teams that did have players mentioned. Sorry damn we need to make sure the league puts a token ECU player in any of their player projections for the AAC going forward.

How is it hijacking a thread when the thread title is "CBSSN makes American Projections"? Go back to making meth.

and you can continue smoking it!

You didn't answer the question.

(07-14-2014 03:40 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 03:36 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:42 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:23 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  Man ECU fan will just keep coming and keep coming highjacking a thread that was good foder for the teams that did have players mentioned. Sorry damn we need to make sure the league puts a token ECU player in any of their player projections for the AAC going forward.

How is it hijacking a thread when the thread title is "CBSSN makes American Projections"? Go back to making meth.

and you can continue smoking it!

You didn't answer the question.

it would just be retorical like most of this ECU talk...let it die. Tejada will get plenty of opportunity to prove he is the mack daddy of the league.

(07-14-2014 03:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  i dont care what anyone says SJ is slowly becoming one of my favorites

he is a super homer but he's respectable and strong belief in his team,
you better not disappear if ECU starts losing. i will definitely eat crow and say you were right all along if ecu comes out strong.

i look forward to a season long worth of trash talk with you

StillJonesing
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I'd be more worried about you running off. I've posted through multiple horrible seasons, even one where we won 3 D1 basketball games. When I signed up we were coming off a 2 football win season and 7 win basketball. I'm probably the least happy or forgiving of Lebo with the current state of our program of any ECU fan. Really, I've placed a top 125 expectation on our program which is barely respectable and people act like I'm expecting NCAA's or something.

(07-14-2014 03:43 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 03:40 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 03:36 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:42 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:23 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  Man ECU fan will just keep coming and keep coming highjacking a thread that was good foder for the teams that did have players mentioned. Sorry damn we need to make sure the league puts a token ECU player in any of their player projections for the AAC going forward.

How is it hijacking a thread when the thread title is "CBSSN makes American Projections"? Go back to making meth.

and you can continue smoking it!

You didn't answer the question.

it would just be retorical like most of this ECU talk...let it die. Tejada will get plenty of opportunity to prove he is the mack daddy of the league.

My question has nothing to do with Tejada or related to that crap; my question is how is basketball talk not related to a basketball thread? If you don't like then don't read it. Unless your don't understand the basic premise that you don't have to read stuff if you don't like it.

(07-14-2014 10:45 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  We'll be lucky to win more than 6 in conference.

I have to go back to the initial question that I asked you last week: how do you know that?

I don't know that and I look at a lot of collegiate basketball. Stuff is always happening on the rosters of schools. Just look at the Mudiay news today out of SMU today. Hell the fall semester has not even began yet and as you know there is always something going on with the players and coaches. Guys can still flunk out of Summer school; guys might get injured; arrested; suspended and similar crap like that.

Fwiw, I don't know how any of the teams are going to finish. I don't even know if the guys that actually do show up for these schools will not end up being overrated. Hell there might even be guys that show up that are much better than anyone thought; that could even happen to ECU.

(07-14-2014 03:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 10:45 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  We'll be lucky to win more than 6 in conference.

I have to go back to the initial question that I asked you last week: how do you know that?

I don't really know anything for sure but it's my opinion that anything greater than that would be a massive accomplishment. I'm not making a definitive statement that we will ONLY WIN 6 games.

We've got basically 5 teams in conference that are easily better on paper and 5 that are roughly our equal or slightly better on paper. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw IMHO.