(07-02-2014 04:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 03:48 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 12:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 12:43 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Memphis laughs at kids dying of heat strokes after traveling 1200 miles because of the hope this Administration has promised them.

I worry about Americans...Mexico is responsible for that young man.

Why Mexico? He was from Guatemala...

What difference does it make?

Is that what you liberals always revert back to whenever an innocent human(s) is killed?

Your sarcasm meter needs service...

(07-02-2014 04:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 04:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 03:48 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 12:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I worry about Americans...Mexico is responsible for that young man.

Why Mexico? He was from Guatemala...

What difference does it make?

Is that what you liberals always revert back to whenever an innocent human(s) is killed?

Your sarcasm meter needs service...

So the kid wasn't innocent, or the Ambassador and military personnel wasn't innocent? Or was it all of them?

(07-02-2014 04:29 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 04:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 04:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 03:48 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Why Mexico? He was from Guatemala...

What difference does it make?

Is that what you liberals always revert back to whenever an innocent human(s) is killed?

Your sarcasm meter needs service...

So the kid wasn't innocent, or the Ambassador and military personnel wasn't innocent? Or was it all of them?

I don't determine someone's guilt or innocence.

(07-02-2014 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 03:48 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 12:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 12:43 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 12:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It's a price the Democrats are willing to pay. The cannot erect the utopia unless they flood the nation with poor, uneducated illegal immigrants that can't speak our language.

Memphis laughs at kids dying of heat strokes after traveling 1200 miles because of the hope this Administration has promised them.

I worry about Americans...Mexico is responsible for that young man.

Why Mexico? He was from Guatemala...

What difference does it make?

Lol, really?


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

(07-02-2014 12:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  This is sad, pathetic, and is directly on the hands of this government that is saying it's ok to cross over to America. Normally I don't have much feeling for illegal immigrants that sneak into this country, but this story really breaks my heart. This kid was given a glimmer of hope as he was told it was ok to come to America. 11 years old and made a 1200 mile journey by himself because the government told him it's ok. Any of you that support this border crisis need to be shot in the leg and tossed in the desert. This a motherf*cking atrocity. And he had his brother's Chicago phone number written on his belt. If this story has already been posted, sorry for the repost.

Meager possessions of lone immigrant boy, 11, who died alone in Texas desert after 'getting lost' crossing the border illegally

IT'S NOT OK!

LSU

I'm glad you have not hardend your heart to what is happening along our border.

We need immigration reform. NOW!!!

(07-02-2014 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  LSU

I'm glad you have not hardend your heart to what is happening along our border.

We need immigration reform. NOW!!!

What reforms could be made that could possibly resolve this issue?

(07-03-2014 07:15 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  LSU

I'm glad you have not hardend your heart to what is happening along our border.

We need immigration reform. NOW!!!

What reforms could be made that could possibly resolve this issue?

A secure border, a fence and border patrol. A detaining and deporting center. A policy that if a country will not accept their own people back, deportees, then we hit the country hard economically. Employers cannot hire illegals, Renters cannot rent to illegals. Illegals cannot enter into legal contracts. I could go on...

There are many things that can be done.

Sad indeed but the Parents are also to blame because it allows Them to stay once the Child arrives. Maybe part of the real problem is a small technicality in the Name America. There North America that covers USA and Canada. Central America that takes in Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala ect. And South America with Dozens of Countries. All feel like They are Americans. And by names of the Continent's, They could be Americans. Just not USA citizens. I can't imagine the hardships those families go through living under repressed regimes that are corrupt and Deadly. That said We still have a great need to control Whom enters Our borders. It could have disastrous results for Our nation without controls .

(07-03-2014 07:26 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 07:15 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  LSU

I'm glad you have not hardend your heart to what is happening along our border.

We need immigration reform. NOW!!!

What reforms could be made that could possibly resolve this issue?

A secure border, a fence and border patrol. A detaining and deporting center.

So militarize the Southern Border like the 38th parallel?

Quote:A policy that if a country will not accept their own people back, deportees, then we hit the country hard economically.

Most of these countries are already struggling economically. Any sanctions leveled would result in very little change.

Quote:Employers cannot hire illegals, Renters cannot rent to illegals. Illegals cannot enter into legal contracts. I could go on...

That would require having the ability to verify to status. People already lose their minds over voter ID. I know E-Verify is supposed to handle this, but things are forged so easily that I question the reliability of the system.

I guess I'm of the opinion that all of these solutions are simply treating the symptoms (illegal entry) and not the cause (economic disparity). Now, if you believe that treating said cause is beyond the purview of the US, then so be it. But if people are willing to go to such extremes to get here, the disincentives you've proposed won't eliminate that desire.

Number one, we can't send them back. Put 20 million of them back in Mexico, and what's the over and under on how long it takes Mexico to degenerate into total anarchy? Anybody who thinks that's a reasonable solution is absolute f-ing nuts.

Number two, we can't reward bad behavior by giving them citizenship. I'm sorry, but they're here illegally and some price must be paid for that if we are to remain a nation of laws.

Number three, the pressure isn't going away until the economies back home get better. Suppose the US economy craters but Canada's didn't. You can camp out with 12 other people in a slum apartment in Toronto and send more home to feed your family than you have any hope of making here. How big a wall does Canada have to build to keep you out?

Number four, the current situation is totally unacceptable. We're doing way too much winking and nodding at a situation that is a drain on our economy and that allows violations of essential rights to go on unhindered and unimpeded. At the same time, because illegal immigrants are almost totally outside the system, we can't even figure out how big the problem is.

How to address all of those:

1. Permanent (or at least long term) guest worker status. This gets them into the system, gives the access to our courts and legal system to redress injustices, and basically addresses points 1 and 4. While we're at it, greatly increase the guest worker program for skilled and highly skilled labor.

2. Amnesty for the act of entering illegally, but not for other illegal acts, and no path to citizenship, or maybe as a compromise a much longer path--at a minimum you stay here 10 years, keep your nose squeaky clean, learn English fluently, and complete extensive citizenship classes before the process starts. This addresses point 2.

3. Concerted efforts to help the economies of Latin America improve. If there's any place we ought to be building nations, it's right next door, not on the other side of the world. Whatever we do today will not solve the problem until we address point 3.

(07-03-2014 08:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  snip

How to address all of those:

1. Permanent (or at least long term) guest worker status. This gets them into the system, gives the access to our courts and legal system to redress injustices, and basically addresses points 1 and 4. While we're at it, greatly increase the guest worker program for skilled and highly skilled labor.

2. Amnesty for the act of entering illegally, but not for other illegal acts, and no path to citizenship, or maybe as a compromise a much longer path--at a minimum you stay here 10 years, keep your nose squeaky clean, learn English fluently, and complete extensive citizenship classes before the process starts. This addresses point 2.

3. Concerted efforts to help the economies of Latin America improve. If there's any place we ought to be building nations, it's right next door, not on the other side of the world. Whatever we do today will not solve the problem until we address point 3.

As you said Owl, addressing the bolded is imperative IMO if we are truly serious about solving the problem. To redress you're second bullet, I think I would withhold citizenship for the children until the adults were registered first.

A final point to consider is to ensure we do a better job converting new entries from south of the border into Americans. Bring your food and your traditions, but you cannot bring the ideas of your failing country to your the US and try to get them to work here.