Having Indiana in the ACC would be cool!

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(07-20-2014 10:04 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Having Indiana in the ACC would be cool!

No. No it wouldn't. May as well just add UConn. They are a much better addition.

(07-21-2014 07:29 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:04 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Having Indiana in the ACC would be cool!

No. No it wouldn't. May as well just add UConn. They are a much better addition.

Indiana's population is about 6.6 million. Connecticut's is about 3.6 million.
The money differences between the AAC and the power conferences are now so great that after a few years, U.Conn's athletic programs will be far below those of a power conference member like Indiana.

Anyway, I don't think that Indiana will leave the B1G unless there's a gun to their head.

(07-21-2014 07:51 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 07:29 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:04 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Having Indiana in the ACC would be cool!

No. No it wouldn't. May as well just add UConn. They are a much better addition.

Indiana's population is about 6.6 million. Connecticut's is about 3.6 million.
The money differences between the AAC and the power conferences are now so great that after a few years, U.Conn's athletic programs will be far below those of a power conference member like Indiana.

Anyway, I don't think that Indiana will leave the B1G unless there's a gun to their head.

I do not either, but if and a big if, if the ACC could steal PSU from the Big? That would be so sweet.

If I could have any 2 Big Ten teams, give me Ohio State and Penn State (with Michigan or Mich. St. 3rd - I don't mind which).

If I could have any 2 SEC teams, give me Georgia and Auburn. Auburn is a good match for the ACC; the only reason I'd want Georgia is to take away a huge recruiting area, and to isolate S Carolina.

Any 2 Big XII teams - too easy: Texas and Oklahoma.

The 2 Pac-12 teams (for the ACC) would have to be USC and Stanford.

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(07-21-2014 07:29 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:04 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Having Indiana in the ACC would be cool!

No. No it wouldn't. May as well just add UConn. They are a much better addition.

Lol, meant it would be cool for us Louisville fans, not so much for the ACC. There are bigger brands in the B1G that are way ahead of IU.

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(07-21-2014 08:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 07:29 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:04 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Having Indiana in the ACC would be cool!

No. No it wouldn't. May as well just add UConn. They are a much better addition.

Lol, meant it would be cool for us Louisville fans, not so much for the ACC. There are bigger brands in the B1G that are way ahead of IU.

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Figured. But it needed to be said anyway. There are bigger non-Big Ten/BCS brands than IU, too. Like UConn.

(07-21-2014 08:16 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If I could have any 2 Big Ten teams, give me Ohio State and Penn State (with Michigan or Mich. St. 3rd - I don't mind which).

If I could have any 2 SEC teams, give me Georgia and Auburn. Auburn is a good match for the ACC; the only reason I'd want Georgia is to take away a huge recruiting area, and to isolate S Carolina.

Any 2 Big XII teams - too easy: Texas and Oklahoma.

The 2 Pac-12 teams (for the ACC) would have to be USC and Stanford.

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Ohio State and...Penn State? No. No. No. Michigan and Ohio State. That's it. That's the only correct choice.

LSU and Alabama >> Georgia and Auburn

Stanford blows. USC and UCLA is probably the best, despite same state/city.

(07-21-2014 09:27 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Ohio State and...Penn State? No. No. No. Michigan and Ohio State. That's it. That's the only correct choice.

Wouldn't agree it's the only "correct" choice, but it's certainly a good one.

Quote:LSU and Alabama >> Georgia and Auburn

True, but GA & AU are better "fits"

Quote:Stanford blows. USC and UCLA is probably the best, despite same state/city.

FAIL. We'd want 1 Northern CA and 1 Southern CA.

Nobody cares about Stanford. USC and UCLA are the two biggest Pac 12 brands.

If you're afraid Alabama and LSU would beat the living crap out of 95% of ACC football teams you're right. That doesn't mean they aren't the two best additions. But if you don't want the best, take Tennessee and Auburn instead.

Michigan and Ohio State is the only correct answer. That is arguably the biggest rivalry in American sport. Taking one without the other is the epitome of "FAIL".

(07-20-2014 10:04 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Having Indiana in the ACC would be cool!

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Remember, talking and moving are two separate things.


The B10's biggest problem is not demographics but a huge bifurcation in the league based on the importance of football. If you make $80 million a year, but your competitors are making $150 you remain $70 million behind. It's the same reason that UNC or UVa would not move to the B10. The B10's gate revenue sharing program is meager compared to the overall gap. Michigan, OSU, Penn State, Wisky, Michigan State, Nebraska, and Iowa have stadiums large enough to allow them to compete. Illinois is sort of in the middle. Then there is Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, and Minnesota.

(07-20-2014 08:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 08:10 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 06:26 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Forbes reports the B1G's grant of rights is through "at least" 2027. That's not 30 years but who knows what the "at least" part means.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...e-course/2
A 2027 expiration would explain the ACC approach to Penn State. Nothing would explain the approach to Northwestern. That was just weird.

Chicago and NW long term ability to compete against huge B10 teams is the explanation. However they have been conversations with at least two more.

All you have to do to is look at the B10 and figure out who can not compete in B-10 football against 100K stadiums and is not named Rutgers, MD, or Minnesota. It helps if they also play basketball.

"Indiana wants me, but I can't go back there..."

Although having virtual access to Indianapolis by way of Indiana U would be very nice...

I don't think Indiana was the school Lumber was referring to.



*giggles*

Let us be real here. The only schools that the ACC has a shot at adding are:

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
South Florida
West Virginia

Sorry to burst your bubble.

(07-21-2014 01:45 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 08:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 08:10 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 06:26 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Forbes reports the B1G's grant of rights is through "at least" 2027. That's not 30 years but who knows what the "at least" part means.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...e-course/2
A 2027 expiration would explain the ACC approach to Penn State. Nothing would explain the approach to Northwestern. That was just weird.

Chicago and NW long term ability to compete against huge B10 teams is the explanation. However they have been conversations with at least two more.

All you have to do to is look at the B10 and figure out who can not compete in B-10 football against 100K stadiums and is not named Rutgers, MD, or Minnesota. It helps if they also play basketball.

"Indiana wants me, but I can't go back there..."

Although having virtual access to Indianapolis by way of Indiana U would be very nice...

I don't think Indiana was the school Lumber was referring to.



*giggles*

The ACC already has access to Indy through ND. Indy is typically the first or second highest rated metered market for ND basketball and football games along with Chicago.

Oh yeah, and IU isn't going anywhere.

(07-21-2014 02:10 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Let us be real here. The only schools that the AAC has a shot at adding are:

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
South Florida
West Virginia

Sorry to burst your bubble.

FTFY.

(07-21-2014 02:10 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Let us be real here. The only schools that the ACC has a shot at adding are:

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
South Florida
West Virginia

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Wilkie, just be happy that you landed well, but as a newbie you have not been around long enough to be in or near the real loop. The real loop starts in NC, but where you least expect.

The larger point is that the B10 is going to have to do more to redistribute revenue within their league in order to maintain long term happiness with all the members. The disparity is so huge that it has become an issue for some of the B10 smaller members. MD and Rutgers will get hit with this, but they have not been suffering with this for decades as it is, so two decades of suffering for them is okay and that's how long it will take before the pressure builds.

Not being able to compete is becoming a large issue than some realize and that inability to compete is exacerbated by the growing feminization of the alumni bases, because women just don't donate to sports like me and they are less likely to be caught up in the hubris of the fresh smelling, shiny tickets that come in the mail each August and then again in November.

Also keep in mind that for the most part the ACC starts talks with someone on average 15 years before any change happens. The Louisville and VT situations are complete outliers - the normal addition process and timeframe is shown by ND, Syracuse, GT, and FSU.

The attraction to the ACC for many schools is the ability to compete for league titles while having an athletic budget in the $65-75 million range instead of needed a budget in the $115-145 million range.