Here is the link:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacd...fstand.pdf

Ohio D1 Schools:

25. Ohio State
62. Kent State
73. Akron
139. Ohio
156. Dayton
170. Youngstown State
207. Bowling Green
207. Miami
221. Cincinnati
241. Cleveland State
251. Xavier
258. Wright State

Shows how much of a second rate athletic conference the AAc is, just a terrible league with Louisviile now gone.

(06-28-2014 03:27 AM)slowknight Wrote:  Shows how much of a second rate athletic conference the AAc is, just a terrible league with Louisviile now gone.

They still have Yukon.

LOL dude even without Louisville you would be in 4 place in the aac for the director cups standings. Don't act like Rutgers has ever contributed anything ever athletically to any conference.

(06-28-2014 03:27 AM)slowknight Wrote:  Shows how much of a second rate athletic conference the AAc is, just a terrible league with Louisviile now gone.

SEC

#05 Florida
#10 Texas A&M
#11 Kentucky
#16 Georgia
#17 Alabama
#24 Louisiana State
#28 Arkansas
#34 Auburn
#35 South Carolina
#40 Tennessee
#45 Vanderbilt
#46 Missouri
#52 Miss State
#54 Ole Miss

02 Top 10

06 Top 25

12 Top 50

Average Rank: 30

Top Ten

1 Stanford
2 Florida
3 Notre Dame
4 Virginia
5 Penn State
6 Texas
7 UCLA
8 USC
9 Duke
10 Texas A&M

Top Twenty

11 Kentucky
12 Florida State
13 Michigan
14 UNC
15 Oregon
16 Georgia
17 Alabama
18 Wisconsin
19 Oklahoma
20 California

Notable by its absence is Ohio State, which fields more teams than any school. There are 5 schools each in the top twenty from the ACC, PAC 12 and SEC. The B1G has 3 and the Big 12 has 2. No G5 school is in the vicinity.

First time the Sun Belt has had two football members in the top 100. AState 83 (tied w/ Memphis) and Louisiana at 86.

Again: an award a single, incredibly wealthy private school--with a monopoly on elite private school students for the entire western half of the country--wins year after tedious year is not worth the tin it's manufactured from.

Florida won the women's Capital One Cup. Notre Dame won the men's--wait TerryD didn't start a thread about it???

(06-28-2014 03:27 AM)slowknight Wrote:  Shows how much of a second rate athletic conference the AAc is, just a terrible league with Louisviile now gone.

Budget size plays a role in how successful the minor sports are. And conference affiliation plays a key role in budget size. So it's not surprising the P5 dominate the Learfield Cup.

As for the American, we had 8 of 12 in the Top 100.

Compare 5/12 for MWC. 0/14 for CUSA. 3/14 for MAC. 2/12 for Sun Belt.

Clearly, the American is the top G5 conference. And the MWC is a clear 2nd. The American/MWC account for 13 of the 18 G5 schools who made the Top 100.

In the tiny chance the American ever adds a Western wing of BYU + three of SDSU, Boise, Air Force, New Mexico and UNLV, then:

American would have 12/16 in the Top 100, leaving the MWC with 2 of 9.

I would be interested in seeing a Learfield Cup ranking, not on total points, but on average points per sport sponsored. That would help level the playing field on the budget issue.

For example, Boston College sponsors 23 sports. They scored 329.0 points, which was 65th in the nation.

Houston sponsors 17 sports. They scored 257.0 points, good for 80th in the nation.

However, on a per sport sponsored basis, Houston generated 15.1 points vs Boston College at 14.3. The average Houston sports team outperformed the average BC sports team.

Is Stanford the PAC athletic flagship?

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(06-28-2014 12:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I would be interested in seeing a Learfield Cup ranking, not on total points, but on average points per sport sponsored. That would help level the playing field on the budget issue.

For example, Boston College sponsors 23 sports. They scored 329.0 points, which was 65th in the nation.

Houston sponsors 17 sports. They scored 257.0 points, good for 80th in the nation.

However, on a per sport sponsored basis, Houston generated 15.1 points vs Boston College at 14.3. The average Houston sports team outperformed the average BC sports team.

However BC can only score in 20 spots. The cup only takes the top 10 male sport finishes and to 10 female sport finishes per school. So a school could potentially have points earned that aren't in the final tally.

(06-28-2014 12:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I would be interested in seeing a Learfield Cup ranking, not on total points, but on average points per sport sponsored. That would help level the playing field on the budget issue.

For example, Boston College sponsors 23 sports. They scored 329.0 points, which was 65th in the nation.

Houston sponsors 17 sports. They scored 257.0 points, good for 80th in the nation.

However, on a per sport sponsored basis, Houston generated 15.1 points vs Boston College at 14.3. The average Houston sports team outperformed the average BC sports team.

My alma maters, UH and Rice chose to eliminate sports rather compete. UH Swimming and Diving and Tennis are no more, no bayou bucket, a jump to the AAC, at best a lateral move with increased travel costs and no viable path to inclusion with the D1 football powers. Yes, UH has done well in the sports they compete in but if you don't play you don't count. I still keep in touch with my coog counterparts from our teams in the early 80s and the fact that UH (and Rice) chose to eliminate sports rather than support student athletes (be it Federal edicts (title IX) or budgetary concerns) still colors my support for both schools. NCAA needs reform and a great start is sponsoring a real D1 football championship and wresting control from the self proclaimed P5 that attempt to controlled the football piece of the pie!

Your point is well taken, it is easier to sponsor sports when competitors are an hour drive near and you don't incur huge travel costs getting to competitor's venues.

(06-28-2014 03:27 AM)slowknight Wrote:  Shows how much of a second rate athletic conference the AAc is, just a terrible league with Louisviile now gone.

Agreed. They don't allow that fact on the AAC board. The league does have some quality individual sports like UConn and Cincinnati in basketball or Houston, UCF and Cincinnati in football. As overall athletic programs, most of them are pathetic (including Cincinnati). You need a well rounded athletic department to move up in conferences...

It helps to have lots of money.

(06-28-2014 11:35 AM)justinslot Wrote:  Again: an award a single, incredibly wealthy private school--with a monopoly on elite private school students for the entire western half of the country--wins year after tedious year is not worth the tin it's manufactured from.

Florida won the women's Capital One Cup. Notre Dame won the men's--wait TerryD didn't start a thread about it???

In other words, your schools don't do very good in it.

Stanford can't admit a lot of the athletes even a school like Rutgers can, let alone a Temple or a Boise St. Yet they still finish first.

(06-28-2014 06:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 11:35 AM)justinslot Wrote:  Again: an award a single, incredibly wealthy private school--with a monopoly on elite private school students for the entire western half of the country--wins year after tedious year is not worth the tin it's manufactured from.

Florida won the women's Capital One Cup. Notre Dame won the men's--wait TerryD didn't start a thread about it???

In other words, your schools don't do very good in it.

Stanford can't admit a lot of the athletes even a school like Rutgers can, let alone a Temple or a Boise St. Yet they still finish first.

In other words: a "competition" won by a single (mindbendingly loathsome) private school year after year is not, in fact, a competition, but a proxy for athletic spending.

I'm sure my schools sucked it up in the Capital One Cup too! But THAT IS AN ACTUAL COMPETITION.

(06-28-2014 08:00 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  LOL dude even without Louisville you would be in 4 place in the aac for the director cups standings. Don't act like Rutgers has ever contributed anything ever athletically to any conference.

(06-28-2014 03:27 AM)slowknight Wrote:  Shows how much of a second rate athletic conference the AAc is, just a terrible league with Louisviile now gone.

He's not a Rutgers fan. And, while our own score sucks, although it has increased dramatically in the last 3 years, we've contributed athletically to the organizations we've been a part of.

(06-28-2014 09:36 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:00 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  LOL dude even without Louisville you would be in 4 place in the aac for the director cups standings. Don't act like Rutgers has ever contributed anything ever athletically to any conference.

(06-28-2014 03:27 AM)slowknight Wrote:  Shows how much of a second rate athletic conference the AAc is, just a terrible league with Louisviile now gone.

He's not a Rutgers fan. And, while our own score sucks, although it has increased dramatically in the last 3 years, we've contributed athletically to the organizations we've been a part of.

I wonder if his IP belongs to a Houston fan?