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(06-28-2014 12:44 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Is Stanford the PAC athletic flagship?

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In some ways yes, but it really shares clout with the LA schools. UCLA has more NCAA team titles. USC has almost as many, and the Trojans have had more of their athletes go on to win Olympics medals. Stanford has the most individual NCAA titles and has a 37-year streak going of winning at least one team title.

The title streak and the Directors' Cup success is in large part a product of Stanford fielding so many varsity sports. This was a great year for the Cardinal and Stanford had to omit 9 scores from its Directors' Cup tally. But we obviously wouldn't win the award if we took some sort of average performance measure. That would go to Florida. But I still think it's neat to have so much cumulative success.
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Here are the men's and women's Capital One Cup final rankings:

http://www.capitalonecup.com/


MEN'S CUP STANDINGS

SCHOOL POINTS

1. Notre Dame 98.5
2. Oregon 92
3. Florida 86
4. Virginia 77
5. Florida State 68
5. USC 68
7. Connecticut 66
8. Duke 60.5
9. Maryland 60
9. North Dakota State 60
9. Vanderbilt 60
12. Michigan State 51



WOMEN'S CUP STANDINGS

SCHOOL POINTS

1. Florida 152
2. UCLA 110
3. Stanford 106
4. Maryland 94
5. Texas A&M 89
6. Connecticut 80
6. Oregon 80
6. Texas 80
9. Penn State 72
10. North Carolina 68
11. Georgia 62
12. Virginia 56
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UC Irvine was in the top 50, no doubt because of their CWS run.
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LOL The Directors Cup...because at the end of the day we all really do care about Men's Fishing and Women's cross stitch teams....
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(06-29-2014 02:35 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  LOL The Directors Cup...because at the end of the day we all really do care about Men's Fishing and Women's cross stitch teams....

some of us actually do care 04-jawdrop
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(06-29-2014 02:35 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  LOL The Directors Cup...because at the end of the day we all really do care about Men's Fishing and Women's cross stitch teams....



Coming from a school that finished tied for 221st, I can see why you would think that.
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I would care about this ranking a lot more if it was weighted by sport. Football and men's hoops obviously carry more clout, baseball and WBB is the next tier, and so on.
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(06-29-2014 07:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Here are the men's and women's Capital One Cup final rankings:

http://www.capitalonecup.com/


MEN'S CUP STANDINGS

SCHOOL POINTS

1. Notre Dame 98.5
2. Oregon 92
3. Florida 86
4. Virginia 77
5. Florida State 68
5. USC 68
7. Connecticut 66
8. Duke 60.5
9. Maryland 60
9. North Dakota State 60
9. Vanderbilt 60
12. Michigan State 51



WOMEN'S CUP STANDINGS

SCHOOL POINTS

1. Florida 152
2. UCLA 110
3. Stanford 106
4. Maryland 94
5. Texas A&M 89
6. Connecticut 80
6. Oregon 80
6. Texas 80
9. Penn State 72
10. North Carolina 68
11. Georgia 62
12. Virginia 56

What is the difference between this and the Directors? My school seems to do much better in this one.
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(06-30-2014 12:01 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  
(06-29-2014 07:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Here are the men's and women's Capital One Cup final rankings:

http://www.capitalonecup.com/


MEN'S CUP STANDINGS

SCHOOL POINTS

1. Notre Dame 98.5
2. Oregon 92
3. Florida 86
4. Virginia 77
5. Florida State 68
5. USC 68
7. Connecticut 66
8. Duke 60.5
9. Maryland 60
9. North Dakota State 60
9. Vanderbilt 60
12. Michigan State 51



WOMEN'S CUP STANDINGS

SCHOOL POINTS

1. Florida 152
2. UCLA 110
3. Stanford 106
4. Maryland 94
5. Texas A&M 89
6. Connecticut 80
6. Oregon 80
6. Texas 80
9. Penn State 72
10. North Carolina 68
11. Georgia 62
12. Virginia 56

What is the difference between this and the Directors? My school seems to do much better in this one.

Look at the way the Cap One cup is scored, see link at http://www.capitalonecup.com/

The short explanation of the difference is Cap One awards certain sports (football, basketball, baseball, softball, outdoor track/field (?), soccer (?), lacrosse (?) among others) three times as many points for top finishes in those sports, so success in other sports doesn't count for as much in the eyes of the Cap One Cup. Also, Cap One has separate standings for men's and women's sports.

The Learfield standings reward each counted sport (using 10 best men's and 10 best women's results for each school) roughly equally. See http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html
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I don't get the "it's because Stanford is rich" sentiment. They have a pretty large athletic budget, but it's smaller than many other top dog schools like Texas or Michigan. Maybe they spend more of their budget on non-rev sports, but I think that's a laudable thing.

The whole private vs. public debate doesn't really work here, either, since public schools like LSU or Florida have athletic budgets 5 times the size of a rich private school like Princeton.
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Merely having money doesn't make Stanford successful. Arkansas has been top 15 the last couple years in revenue and failed to make the Men's basketball tournament and a bowl game the last two years.

Stanford though does value its non-revenue sports and I think their set of offerings is as much about academic recruiting as it is athletic glory. A number of the sports they participate in are expensive sports for a teenager and they have to have significant family financial support to even participate. That already provides a clue that the kid is in financial shape to come to Stanford even if he or she is only receiving 25% aid.

As a general rule those sports that recruit a big commitment don't see many marginal students competing.
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(06-29-2014 07:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Look at the way the Cap One cup is scored, see link at http://www.capitalonecup.com/

The short explanation of the difference is Cap One awards certain sports (football, basketball, baseball, softball, outdoor track/field (?), soccer (?), lacrosse (?) among others) three times as many points for top finishes in those sports, so success in other sports doesn't count for as much in the eyes of the Cap One Cup. Also, Cap One has separate standings for men's and women's sports.

The Learfield standings reward each counted sport (using 10 best men's and 10 best women's results for each school) roughly equally. See http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html

LOL at the Cap One Cup.

1) Soccer and lacrosse are the same weight as football, basketball and baseball? Soccer and lacrosse 3x as important as volleyball, tennis and golf? Please.

2) They only award points for Top 10 finishes. If your team finishes 11th, you get no points. That's not arbitrary or anything.

3) Further, there's a big difference between 4th and 5th. 4th and 8th. Really? Like the polls are so precise?

If you really wanted to weight things properly:

FBS Football 20X
Basketball 7X
FCS Football, Baseball & Women's basketball 2X
Everything else 1X

1st should get more points than 2nd
2nd should get more points than 3rd & 4th
3-4 should get the same, but more points than 5-8
5-8 should get the same, but more points than 9-16
9-16 should get the same, but more points than 17-25 (or 17-32)
17-25 (or 17-32) should get the same
No points if you don't finish Top 25 (or 32).
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(07-06-2014 12:14 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(06-29-2014 07:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Look at the way the Cap One cup is scored, see link at http://www.capitalonecup.com/

The short explanation of the difference is Cap One awards certain sports (football, basketball, baseball, softball, outdoor track/field (?), soccer (?), lacrosse (?) among others) three times as many points for top finishes in those sports, so success in other sports doesn't count for as much in the eyes of the Cap One Cup. Also, Cap One has separate standings for men's and women's sports.

The Learfield standings reward each counted sport (using 10 best men's and 10 best women's results for each school) roughly equally. See http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html

LOL at the Cap One Cup.

1) Soccer and lacrosse are the same weight as football, basketball and baseball? Soccer and lacrosse 3x as important as volleyball, tennis and golf? Please.

2) They only award points for Top 10 finishes. If your team finishes 11th, you get no points. That's not arbitrary or anything.

3) Further, there's a big difference between 4th and 5th. 4th and 8th. Really? Like the polls are so precise?

If you really wanted to weight things properly:

FBS Football 20X
Basketball 7X
FCS Football, Baseball & Women's basketball 2X
Everything else 1X

1st should get more points than 2nd
2nd should get more points than 3rd & 4th
3-4 should get the same, but more points than 5-8
5-8 should get the same, but more points than 9-16
9-16 should get the same, but more points than 17-25 (or 17-32)
17-25 (or 17-32) should get the same
No points if you don't finish Top 25 (or 32).

Houston is a terrible commuter school still living off of Golf championships when bell bottoms were part of everyday wardrobe.
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(07-06-2014 03:26 AM)slowknight Wrote:  Houston is a terrible commuter school still living off of Golf championships when bell bottoms were part of everyday wardrobe.

Your act is so tired. Weren't you banned from the AAC board over a year ago?

I doubt you are even a Rutgers fan. But in case you are:



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I don't really think you should weigh football anymore than any other sport. Yes YOU may care about that sport and it DOES bring in more money but we already have ways to show who is the biggest and best at that (for instance revenue charts and the actual football championship). This is the one area where the other sports and schools that do well at them get their due.
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(07-06-2014 12:14 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  LOL at the Cap One Cup.

1) Soccer and lacrosse are the same weight as football, basketball and baseball? Soccer and lacrosse 3x as important as volleyball, tennis and golf? Please.

2) They only award points for Top 10 finishes. If your team finishes 11th, you get no points. That's not arbitrary or anything.

3) Further, there's a big difference between 4th and 5th. 4th and 8th. Really? Like the polls are so precise?

If you really wanted to weight things properly:

FBS Football 20X
Basketball 7X
FCS Football, Baseball & Women's basketball 2X
Everything else 1X

1st should get more points than 2nd
2nd should get more points than 3rd & 4th
3-4 should get the same, but more points than 5-8
5-8 should get the same, but more points than 9-16
9-16 should get the same, but more points than 17-25 (or 17-32)
17-25 (or 17-32) should get the same
No points if you don't finish Top 25 (or 32).

I know some folks treat football as a religion but your proposed format is just wrong. It would essentially forever deny schools from ever winning that Cup if they don't play football.
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(07-06-2014 07:47 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  I don't really think you should weigh football anymore than any other sport. Yes YOU may care about that sport and it DOES bring in more money but we already have ways to show who is the biggest and best at that (for instance revenue charts and the actual football championship). This is the one area where the other sports and schools that do well at them get their due.

Thank you
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