You know what, I almost thought the author was going to back his argument up when he said this:

Quote:Let’s look at some statistics to flesh out my thesis that far too many millennials are stuck on stupid.

Instead he just pointed out that more millennials have liberal views. He mentioned a few things I agree with (parenting and media), but relied way too much on the whole liberal = stupid argument that you guys seem to eat up.

(06-18-2014 01:16 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:59 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:51 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:45 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  The article has some good points, but the article incorrectly politicizes the argument.

imo, most of the blame should fall onto parents....

A large chunk of the parents who raised the Millennial generation were kids raised during the late 60's and 70's. This is when our nation took a big trip into the land where self gratification is one of the primary drivers in life and when gender roles began to become "evil things" which should be avoided.

the loss of gender roles played a huge part in raising a generation of people who cant parent.

Quote:But all previous generations always call the next one dumb and immature, so this "argument" is kinda blown out of proportion.

If not for the trend of the last two I would agree with you. But the X'ers and the Millenials have gotten progressively worse. We confuse technical aptitude for wisdom and intelligence.

My worry is not that the Millenials are stupid, all kids are stupid. My worry is that at the age of 25-30 so many of them consider themselves "kids" and that so many are not being equipped by their parents, or by life, to raise a solid generation of kids.

As in both parents taking an equal part in the upbringing of children? Women taking a larger role in the workforce?

(Just asking for specifics, not trying to put words into your mouth)

Both my parents worked outside the home and split housework but there were dad jobs around the house and mom jobs. There were things my mother did for us and things my father did for us.

My wife stays home with the kids, who are too young for school. though we split work. Gender roles have more to do with the parental niche you fill and less to do with employment or chore distribution.

My two school age girls had career day at school a few weeks ago. One wants to be an Olympic runner and the other a stay at home mom. We were sure to reenforce in both the need to position themselves to be independent and employable in other fields in case their dreams don't materialize.

I want my daughters to be lady like, gentle, and nurturing. That does not mean weak, passive, or submissive to the point of fault.

I think in general, this millennial generation has been taught to worship the me. They are not held accountable the way we were and have an overall sense of entitlement. I think once the real world becomes a reality, they won't have time for their liberal vision. I think Obama has also played a huge part in this.

(06-18-2014 01:49 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  You know what, I almost thought the author was going to back his argument up when he said this:

Quote:Let’s look at some statistics to flesh out my thesis that far too many millennials are stuck on stupid.

Instead he just pointed out that more millennials have liberal views.

Yeah, it was pretty weak. A bit of a softball really. Yet zero whiffed.

(06-18-2014 01:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:17 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:11 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  But all of those points are misinformed. So what point are you trying to make? Every time you post you simply confirm the original assertion.

You are misinformed, and resolutely insist on staying that way.

that is the view that they have of republicans wether misinformed or not.

Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

i wouldn't call those views misinformed though.

Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

Yeah, we all get it, many millennials think certain things.

They also think they're right, regardless of empirical facts.

Moreover, they are resistant to change because college.

What part of "stuck on stupid" did you not understand, so much so that you repeatedly the hypothesis in your own words and adamantly declared it's true?

You could NOT have said that part any better... All you forgot is that they are the generation of gimme gimme gimme.

(06-18-2014 01:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:17 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:11 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  But all of those points are misinformed. So what point are you trying to make? Every time you post you simply confirm the original assertion.

You are misinformed, and resolutely insist on staying that way.

that is the view that they have of republicans wether misinformed or not.

Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

i wouldn't call those views misinformed though.

Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

Yeah, we all get it, many millennials think certain things.

They also think they're right, regardless of empirical facts.

Moreover, they are resistant to change because college.

What part of "stuck on stupid" did you not understand, so much so that you repeatedly the hypothesis in your own words and adamantly declared it's true?

so to sum it up. your argument is bitching, moaning, and screaming that liberals are wrong and you wonder why I think your argument is a joke?????

this has got to be one of the dumbest talking points out there and the fact that cons come out in large numbers agreeing with it is evidence of the stupidity of THAT group.

(06-18-2014 02:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:17 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  that is the view that they have of republicans wether misinformed or not.

Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

i wouldn't call those views misinformed though.

Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

Yeah, we all get it, many millennials think certain things.

They also think they're right, regardless of empirical facts.

Moreover, they are resistant to change because college.

What part of "stuck on stupid" did you not understand, so much so that you repeatedly the hypothesis in your own words and adamantly declared it's true?

so to sum it up. your argument is bitching, moaning, and screaming that liberals are wrong and you wonder why I think your argument is a joke?????

this has got to be one of the dumbest talking points out there and the fact that cons come out in large numbers agreeing with it is evidence of the stupidity of THAT group.

Without coming out and saying it, you just agreed with his post. Ironic, no?

(06-18-2014 02:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:17 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  that is the view that they have of republicans wether misinformed or not.

Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

i wouldn't call those views misinformed though.

Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

Yeah, we all get it, many millennials think certain things.

They also think they're right, regardless of empirical facts.

Moreover, they are resistant to change because college.

What part of "stuck on stupid" did you not understand, so much so that you repeatedly the hypothesis in your own words and adamantly declared it's true?

so to sum it up. your argument is bitching, moaning, and screaming that liberals are wrong and you wonder why I think your argument is a joke?????

this has got to be one of the dumbest talking points out there and the fact that cons come out in large numbers agreeing with it is evidence of the stupidity of THAT group.

standard liberal elitest mantra. "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me."

(06-18-2014 01:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  yeah but the point of linked in is that it is business oriented, and facebook isn't. you are basically saying "well you can drive both an 18 wheeler and a car.....so you can compare engine performance"

which is why I ask: are you trolling me?

No, I just find it amusing that comparing two social networking sites which *YOU* use differently is enough to disregard someones intelligence.

By the way a better comparison of Linked-in and Facebook would be your kids carpool versus a Taxi... not an 18 wheeler and a car...

Taxi's tend be be cleaner and better cared for than the car pool vehicle used by your neighbor.

I use them differently because I use them the way they are designed to do. anyone who legitimately thinks that linked in is not business oriented is one dumb fu.ck

i gave you the perfectly analogy and you are too fucken dumb to see it. the car vs truck analogy works because they are both vehicles, but have totally different uses/purposes. and then you chime in using an example such as "you can honk the horns on both of them" to explain that they are similar and thus be used for the same purpose.

(06-18-2014 01:49 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  You know what, I almost thought the author was going to back his argument up when he said this:

Quote:Let’s look at some statistics to flesh out my thesis that far too many millennials are stuck on stupid.

Instead he just pointed out that more millennials have liberal views. He mentioned a few things I agree with (parenting and media), but relied way too much on the whole liberal = stupid argument that you guys seem to eat up.

I actually think that most succeeding generations start out, while young, as more liberal than their parents.

Number 1, they often haven't started paying for stuff of any magnitude yet, so it's easy to take a liberal stance when it doesn't cost you anything.

Second, many liberal ideas sound nice when they are first heard, but some experience reveals that what may sound nice in academia often doesn't work in real life practice.

Third, often those just entering adulthood can be more easily swayed by catchy slogans and platitudes because they really don't dig into the issues very deeply. They are more worried about chasing the opposite sex and the next party to worry too deeply about issues.

It's amazing how living some life and paying your own way has a tendency to make people more conservative. The older you get, the more the first question out of someone's mouth is "Well, who is going to pay for it?"

(06-18-2014 02:10 PM)bevotex Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:17 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

i wouldn't call those views misinformed though.

Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

Yeah, we all get it, many millennials think certain things.

They also think they're right, regardless of empirical facts.

Moreover, they are resistant to change because college.

What part of "stuck on stupid" did you not understand, so much so that you repeatedly the hypothesis in your own words and adamantly declared it's true?

so to sum it up. your argument is bitching, moaning, and screaming that liberals are wrong and you wonder why I think your argument is a joke?????

this has got to be one of the dumbest talking points out there and the fact that cons come out in large numbers agreeing with it is evidence of the stupidity of THAT group.

standard liberal elitest mantra. "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me."

wow so me disagreeing with the notion "liberals are 100% wrong" is me saying "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me"

standard conservative mantra: completely ignore that the OP posted an article, and the person I am responding to are saying exactly that.

can your head be any further up your own ass?

(06-18-2014 02:12 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:49 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  You know what, I almost thought the author was going to back his argument up when he said this:

Quote:Let’s look at some statistics to flesh out my thesis that far too many millennials are stuck on stupid.

Instead he just pointed out that more millennials have liberal views. He mentioned a few things I agree with (parenting and media), but relied way too much on the whole liberal = stupid argument that you guys seem to eat up.

I actually think that most succeeding generations start out, while young, as more liberal than their parents.

Number 1, they often haven't started paying for stuff of any magnitude yet, so it's easy to take a liberal stance when it doesn't cost you anything.

Second, many liberal ideas sound nice when they are first heard, but some experience reveals that what may sound nice in academia often doesn't work in real life practice.

Third, often those just entering adulthood can be more easily swayed by catchy slogans and platitudes because they really don't dig into the issues very deeply. They are more worried about chasing the opposite sex and the next party to worry too deeply about issues.

It's amazing how living some life and paying your own way has a tendency to make people more conservative. The older you get, the more the first question out of someone's mouth is "Well, who is going to pay for it?"

I don't disagree.

College is a bubble in which young adults are sheltered from the outside world, and has allowed my generation to defer growing up by 4-5 years. It doesn't make my generation stupid, it makes us naive.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Millennials need help, as long as someone else pays for it. Why, They're deserving.

(06-18-2014 02:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:10 PM)bevotex Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i wouldn't call those views misinformed though.

Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

Yeah, we all get it, many millennials think certain things.

They also think they're right, regardless of empirical facts.

Moreover, they are resistant to change because college.

What part of "stuck on stupid" did you not understand, so much so that you repeatedly the hypothesis in your own words and adamantly declared it's true?

so to sum it up. your argument is bitching, moaning, and screaming that liberals are wrong and you wonder why I think your argument is a joke?????

this has got to be one of the dumbest talking points out there and the fact that cons come out in large numbers agreeing with it is evidence of the stupidity of THAT group.

standard liberal elitest mantra. "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me."

wow so me disagreeing with the notion "liberals are 100% wrong" is me saying "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me"

standard conservative mantra: completely ignore that the OP posted an article, and the person I am responding to are saying exactly that.

can your head be any further up your own ass?

Alright, why don't we all come to an agreement that all far lefties and all far righties both think the other side 100% wrong on every issue.

(06-18-2014 02:22 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:10 PM)bevotex Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Which just reaffirms the initial premise of this thread.

Yeah, we all get it, many millennials think certain things.

They also think they're right, regardless of empirical facts.

Moreover, they are resistant to change because college.

What part of "stuck on stupid" did you not understand, so much so that you repeatedly the hypothesis in your own words and adamantly declared it's true?

so to sum it up. your argument is bitching, moaning, and screaming that liberals are wrong and you wonder why I think your argument is a joke?????

this has got to be one of the dumbest talking points out there and the fact that cons come out in large numbers agreeing with it is evidence of the stupidity of THAT group.

standard liberal elitest mantra. "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me."

wow so me disagreeing with the notion "liberals are 100% wrong" is me saying "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me"

standard conservative mantra: completely ignore that the OP posted an article, and the person I am responding to are saying exactly that.

can your head be any further up your own ass?

Alright, why don't we all come to an agreement that all far lefties and all far righties both think the other side 100% wrong on every issue.

Yes, you are wrong. always.

(06-18-2014 02:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:22 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:10 PM)bevotex Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so to sum it up. your argument is bitching, moaning, and screaming that liberals are wrong and you wonder why I think your argument is a joke?????

this has got to be one of the dumbest talking points out there and the fact that cons come out in large numbers agreeing with it is evidence of the stupidity of THAT group.

standard liberal elitest mantra. "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me."

wow so me disagreeing with the notion "liberals are 100% wrong" is me saying "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me"

standard conservative mantra: completely ignore that the OP posted an article, and the person I am responding to are saying exactly that.

can your head be any further up your own ass?

Alright, why don't we all come to an agreement that all far lefties and all far righties both think the other side 100% wrong on every issue.

Yes, you are wrong. always.

60% of the time, you're wrong every time.

Don't vote like me.......you must be stupid.

(06-18-2014 02:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:22 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:10 PM)bevotex Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so to sum it up. your argument is bitching, moaning, and screaming that liberals are wrong and you wonder why I think your argument is a joke?????

this has got to be one of the dumbest talking points out there and the fact that cons come out in large numbers agreeing with it is evidence of the stupidity of THAT group.

standard liberal elitest mantra. "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me."

wow so me disagreeing with the notion "liberals are 100% wrong" is me saying "I'm so much smarter than all those who don't agree with me"

standard conservative mantra: completely ignore that the OP posted an article, and the person I am responding to are saying exactly that.

can your head be any further up your own ass?

Alright, why don't we all come to an agreement that all far lefties and all far righties both think the other side 100% wrong on every issue.

Yes, you are wrong. always.

your schtick is overplayed here imo

Felt that the piece was very disingenuous.

1: There aren't jobs for kids to jump right into that my parents and grandparents had. My pap joined the navy and then worked at a slag dump for 40+ years. My other pap was in the army and then worked in the mill. My dad was a truckdriver. Me, I did the navy thing and now in college hoping to have a career when I get out. I would have no problems with working in the mill if they actually had openings rather than job cuts. It has 0 to do with laziness, give the young people jobs so they can get out of the house. Most people don't want to live with their parents/grandparents and working at some lame ass service sector job that barely pays for the room/board. People want to be able to live on their own so they can bring over females n'sh*t. I can't defend those that just want handouts and welfare.

2: Me wanting weed to be legalized has 0 to do with me wanting to puff on a J like I was 15 again. If anything I want 0 parts to do with pot heads, including family. It has more to do with the burden on the tax payer to investigate, arrest, and jail sentences for people that commit victimless crimes and on the flip side the states being able to create tax revenue from the weed market from several different angles.

(06-18-2014 02:36 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Felt that the piece was very disingenuous.

1: There aren't jobs for kids to jump right into that my parents and grandparents had. My pap joined the navy and then worked at a slag dump for 40+ years. My other pap was in the army and then worked in the mill. My dad was a truckdriver. Me, I did the navy thing and now in college hoping to have a career when I get out. I would have no problems with working in the mill if they actually had openings rather than job cuts. It has 0 to do with laziness, give the young people jobs so they can get out of the house. Most people don't want to live with their parents/grandparents and working at some lame ass service sector job that barely pays for the room/board. People want to be able to live on their own so they can bring over females n'sh*t. I can't defend those that just want handouts and welfare.

2: Me wanting weed to be legalized has 0 to do with me wanting to puff on a J like I was 15 again. If anything I want 0 parts to do with pot heads, including family. It has more to do with the burden on the tax payer to investigate, arrest, and jail sentences for people that commit victimless crimes and on the flip side the states being able to create tax revenue from the weed market from several different angles.

When I graduated college most of us worked the lame ass service job that barely paid the rent. You get a sense of productivity and accomplishment and it builds character, neither of which you get at home. You say you want out of the house, then do it. You aren't owed a median income white collar job for graduating from college. College is the easy part. You have to work to get the job and the longer you spend at your parents house "in transition", the less likely it is to actually happen. I'd rather hire the guy who has been spending the last 2 years waiting tables at Outback and scrapping for rent in his 1-BR apartment in town and ready to jump at the chance to work for $35k than someone who has spent the last 2 years in his mom's suburban basement "in transition" as a professional online job application submitter demanding $60k. Apparently, it isn't just me. Once you get a grip on the realities of the world, it gets easier... and it ain't happening at home or on a college campus.

(06-18-2014 02:36 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Felt that the piece was very disingenuous.

1: There aren't jobs for kids to jump right into that my parents and grandparents had. My pap joined the navy and then worked at a slag dump for 40+ years. My other pap was in the army and then worked in the mill. My dad was a truckdriver. Me, I did the navy thing and now in college hoping to have a career when I get out. I would have no problems with working in the mill if they actually had openings rather than job cuts. It has 0 to do with laziness, give the young people jobs so they can get out of the house. Most people don't want to live with their parents/grandparents and working at some lame ass service sector job that barely pays for the room/board. People want to be able to live on their own so they can bring over females n'sh*t. I can't defend those that just want handouts and welfare.

I get that, and I agree w/ EverRespect's post.

I'll also add this: elections have consequences.

dmac can pretend it's all due to naiveté, but even if that's the case, then it's time to open up your eyes!