and the 14th school was also in the east (umass, buffalo, ohio, kent st etc)

how would the divisions get set?

would memphis want to stay in the west? would army opt for the west?

what i am wondering is with texas being a state that is more military friendly than the Northeast* would army/navy actually prefer this setup?

and where does memphis fit in with all this? what does that actual school prefer?

*i say this with extreme caution

No

While they add nothing from a competitive point of view--if Army was agreeable to joining the AAC, Aresco would grab them in a second. That UMass Buffalo crap is not happening.

(06-03-2014 09:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  While they add nothing from a competitive point of view--if Army was agreeable to joining the AAC, Aresco would grab them in a second.

that is a whole different discussion. i am trying to figure out what the service academies want from a demographic perspective.

I do think you will find that Air Force is going to be concerned about Navy's presence in Texas where all the academies recruit heavily.

if army came, theyll also want texas and same division as navy, so theyd be likely in the west

(or to preserve the army navy game, have them in different divisions and never schedule them, and have it as a non conference game, so it wouldnt affect our conference schedule).. and on the rare chance army and navy are both division champs, no conference championship game and the army navy game will act as the CCG...just an idea i have

both west is likely but another idea have both navy and army east, with navy permanent cross divisional rival smu, army permanent cross divisional rival Houston

People, you lose 2-3 players to the chop block

(06-03-2014 10:08 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  People, you lose 2-3 players to the chop block

explain? im not sure what you mean

(06-03-2014 10:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:08 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  People, you lose 2-3 players to the chop block

explain? im not sure what you mean

When we play Navy we lose starters

(06-03-2014 10:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:08 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  People, you lose 2-3 players to the chop block

explain? im not sure what you mean

they block below the knees, and more than a few opponents DL/LB have left the game with serious knee injuries. . . If Army was to join the AAC. They need to find a way to split Army/Navy, but keep them as permanent crossover opponents. Let the East Division (Army) share 50/50 with the West Division (Navy) as far as knee injuries go.

(06-03-2014 10:11 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:08 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  People, you lose 2-3 players to the chop block

explain? im not sure what you mean

When we play Navy we lose starters

If Army joins the AAC,Memphis could go east,but for other sports to match with football only Army and Navy the AAC would need two other sports members in the west(Witchita st and St Louis)

I've said this in other threads but I'll repeat it here: Army is at least 5 or 6 years away from being ready to join this league.

I wish the Cadets well and I think -- given adequate time and some serious commitment to football -- Army Could Eventually Become a legit player in FBS football, on the level of Navy. But right now they're nowhere close to that, and discussions like this are just pie in the sky.

From a competitive standpoint, it may make absolutely no sense for Army and Air Force to ever join the AAC. The option is effective mainly because it is so seldom seen these days. My guess is it wouldn't be nearly as effective if the players from conference schools see it 2-3 times every year. If Navy is the only option team in the league, the advantage of the unique nature of the offense should remain--though it may be diminished a bit since teams in the west will play against them every year. Still, you'd only see it once a season.

The other huge issue is the Army-Navy game. One reason the game is so valuable is that its the only game played the week after championship Saturday. If Army and Navy are in the same conference, that game must be played prior to Championship Saturday. Not sure they want to devalue the game like that. Army could join the MAC and the Army-Navy game could continue to be played as an OOC on its current date (since it wouldn't affect the conference standings of either league). I'll be fine if Army joins because I think it will add to the conferences tradition and value---but I'll also be fine if they never join (especially if we one day go west with 3 MW schools and BYU to create a nationwide confernece).

Adding Army wouldn't be about a competitive standpoint...it would be about enhancing the TV package. The Army-Navy game alone would justify the inclusion. If you look at Army's fairly awful schedule, it really just makes sense for them....and Navy will have a recruiting advantage over them in the American.

I think they would slide into the Western Division and would just be #13 with no #14 (unless BYU comes on board).

Air Force is NOT leaving the MWC...unless Colorado State and a few others come with them. I don't see that happening any time soon. They will continue to schedule Army and Navy OOC...as they always have.

Army & BYU

(06-04-2014 12:34 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The other huge issue is the Army-Navy game. One reason the game is so valuable is that its the only game played the week after championship Saturday. If Army and Navy are in the same conference, that game must be played prior to Championship Saturday.

As I mentioned a couple of days ago in another thread and Pesik mentions in this thread, one way to deal with the Army-Navy game is to put Army and Navy in opposite divisions and make the Army-Navy game an OOC game. It would have no bearing on the conference standings and could maintain its slot the week after the championship games. It would not be unprecedented, with the ACC announcing that schools can now schedule other conference schools as OOC opponents. In the unlikely event that Army and Navy are atop their divisions, it would serve as the AAC Championship game (and be a ratings home run as both the only championship game and the only football game on TV that day).

Army to the East, BYU to the West. We'd be adding two teams that have won national championships, lol.

As soon as the playoff is expanded, the Army-Navy game will have to move anyway. I could see it played on Thanksgiving...opposite the NFL.

(06-03-2014 09:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  While they add nothing from a competitive point of view--if Army was agreeable to joining the AAC, Aresco would grab them in a second. That UMass Buffalo crap is not happening.

Glad the Houston fans make all the decisions for the AAC. Would hate to have another quality Northeast basketball program in the American. Would be a huge disaster.

(06-04-2014 12:07 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I've said this in other threads but I'll repeat it here: Army is at least 5 or 6 years away from being ready to join this league.

I wish the Cadets well and I think -- given adequate time and some serious commitment to football -- Army Could Eventually Become a legit player in FBS football, on the level of Navy. But right now they're nowhere close to that, and discussions like this are just pie in the sky.

Tulane hasn't been that competitive lately either, but ucf's president thought you guys had value. Army brings a brand that comes with money. Army brings political clout. Army brings larger crowds when they visit other teams.

Army gets an invite if they ever want to join. Simple as that.

(06-03-2014 10:15 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:11 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:08 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  People, you lose 2-3 players to the chop block

explain? im not sure what you mean

When we play Navy we lose starters

If Army joins the AAC,Memphis could go east,but for other sports to match with football only Army and Navy the AAC would need two other sports members in the west(Witchita st and St Louis)

Navy uses a cut block. It is legal, but I know what you mean. The coaches just need to let players know it's coming and you can actually use that to your advantage. The only teams that cut block to this extent are the ones that are less talented or physically gifted. It evens the playing field a bit.