If you're going to continue posting on here I beg of you not to spell like the stereotypical Miami fan. Please.

This will be the last time I bother saying this, but the stadium likely will NOT get approval at that site if it's going to accommodate football as well. The City/County CANNOT just hand the land over to Beckham. It HAS to go up for a public vote to be approved. I think there is a good chance a 20,000-seat, soccer-specific stadium is approved. I DO NOT think there is a good chance a football stadium is approved. The Marlins' stadium was rejected on the waterfront, too.

I mentioned the cost of land in regards to OTHER locations in the downtown area. If Beckham's group insists on making a dual-purpose stadium - which they currently are not insisting - I think they'll have to find a non-waterfront location to build it. And since a downtown location makes the most sense, purchasing the land to build the stadium could prove quite costly, especially since UM isn't putting up any money of their own.

I also don't trust the scaling in the picture you linked.

(05-31-2014 09:22 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 12:31 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 09:20 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 11:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  As I said before, I would LOVE to see Miami get this deal done as I really think it would have an enormously beneficial impact on their program.

I also think the people making the most fun of this potential arrangement secretly agree with me and are fearful or a rejuvenated Hurricane program, which is why they are always the first to post any signs that this deal has collapsed.

That said, I just don't understand how a 40-45K seat stadium benefits an MLS team at all. That is WAAAAAY too big for their needs and will necessitate tarps and other similar measures. Unless Miami is willing to go halfsies on the project - or somewhere in that neighborhood - I just don't see how this plan can work?

20-25K is too small for outdoor concerts, soccer friendlies & minor bowls involving popular draws ...
idle buildings generate no income ...

PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE

Right, but anything more than that is too large for the stadium's primary purpose: MLS soccer. They can do all of those other things at Sun Life Stadium, the much larger stadium up the road which will also soon be renovated. Alternatively, they can host minor bowl games and concerts at Marlins Park.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely understand why this proposal would be attractive to the Miami fans and I don't blame you one bit for salivating at this opportunity. Also, I agree with you that from your perspective such an arrangement would be a game changer. I just don't know how the Miami MLS folks can justify building such a large facility that they would have no hope of ever actually filling for any of their own games?

Now, there is at least one caveat here. If the U could step up and help pay for a substantial amount of the stadium's costs, then that would constitute a paradigm shift. At that point, you two become partners and they would have no choice but to bend on the capacity issue. I'm sure that's what the Beckham people are talking about when they say they need to "reengage" the University of Miami folks. However, if a large financial contribution to this project is not part of this deal, and from all accounts it is not, then I just don't see the upside for the Beckham group and as such I don't believe it will happen.

Basically, the U's leadership and heavy hitters need to step up to the plate here and seize on this once in a lifetime opportunity. If they don't and this deal falls apart, Miami will regret it forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79RF6gE0R6Q

Why would Beckham Group want a major tenant such as UM? How about the rental revenue the U would pay to lease the venue - for a group that is self-financing (to the tune of $250M), kind of a HUGE effin deal.

UM is a highly respected local entity and can assist with goodwill and PR to help the voter referendum's chances with its 30-50k Dade county alumni base and 10k (is it more?) employee base. UM would build tremendous goodwill to help the project pass with the voters. Local connections and counsel on how to best navigate tough issues. Shalala's leadership, savvy, and advocacy can't be underestimated. UM will get the referendum passed for MLS...what's the price tag for that?
-- Yell4theU

MY OFFER IS THIS ... NOTHING

Well, as much as I appreciate your false bravado and intangible assets the U would bring to such a partnership, if you really believe any of that then I suspect that you are smoking the same stuff Michael Irvin smokes because that is straight up nonsense.

If you are seriously banking on rental fees and Donna Shalala's leadership skills and business savvy to carry the day then you might as well just resign yourself to being in Sun Life Stadium for the long haul because frankly, that's absurdly naive reasoning.

Brother, I WANT this to happen. I am pulling for you here. However, Beckham knows that he's going to get this stadium one way or the other and he's going to get a prime location. He is holding all of the cards here, muchacho. The only questions remaining are who is going to pay for it; how many amenities will it have; and how big do they need to make it?

Do you see where I'm going with this? That's what they mean when they say that they need to "reengage with the University of Miami." If they're just counting on the U to be a tenant then you wouldn't factor into any of these issues. However, if you are paying for a large portion of it then you most certainly would need to be "reengaged."

I think one of three things will happen.
1.) The whole project will fall through due to a lack of financing.

2.) The Miami MLS team will announce plans to build a 20-25K seat facility along the waterfront.

3.) The Miami MLS team will announce a major partnership with the University of Miami to build a 40-45K seat stadium in downtown Miami.

I would be shocked (pleasantly so) if this were to turn out any other way than one of the three predicted above. This MLS team isn't going to build a stadium twice the size of its needs for the occasional concert or friendly and they're certainly not going to incur those costs for rental fees or to belly up to Shalala. That's flat out goofy.

(05-31-2014 08:59 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(05-31-2014 09:22 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 12:31 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 09:20 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 11:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  As I said before, I would LOVE to see Miami get this deal done as I really think it would have an enormously beneficial impact on their program.

I also think the people making the most fun of this potential arrangement secretly agree with me and are fearful or a rejuvenated Hurricane program, which is why they are always the first to post any signs that this deal has collapsed.

That said, I just don't understand how a 40-45K seat stadium benefits an MLS team at all. That is WAAAAAY too big for their needs and will necessitate tarps and other similar measures. Unless Miami is willing to go halfsies on the project - or somewhere in that neighborhood - I just don't see how this plan can work?

20-25K is too small for outdoor concerts, soccer friendlies & minor bowls involving popular draws ...
idle buildings generate no income ...

PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE

Right, but anything more than that is too large for the stadium's primary purpose: MLS soccer. They can do all of those other things at Sun Life Stadium, the much larger stadium up the road which will also soon be renovated. Alternatively, they can host minor bowl games and concerts at Marlins Park.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely understand why this proposal would be attractive to the Miami fans and I don't blame you one bit for salivating at this opportunity. Also, I agree with you that from your perspective such an arrangement would be a game changer. I just don't know how the Miami MLS folks can justify building such a large facility that they would have no hope of ever actually filling for any of their own games?

Now, there is at least one caveat here. If the U could step up and help pay for a substantial amount of the stadium's costs, then that would constitute a paradigm shift. At that point, you two become partners and they would have no choice but to bend on the capacity issue. I'm sure that's what the Beckham people are talking about when they say they need to "reengage" the University of Miami folks. However, if a large financial contribution to this project is not part of this deal, and from all accounts it is not, then I just don't see the upside for the Beckham group and as such I don't believe it will happen.

Basically, the U's leadership and heavy hitters need to step up to the plate here and seize on this once in a lifetime opportunity. If they don't and this deal falls apart, Miami will regret it forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79RF6gE0R6Q

Why would Beckham Group want a major tenant such as UM? How about the rental revenue the U would pay to lease the venue - for a group that is self-financing (to the tune of $250M), kind of a HUGE effin deal.

UM is a highly respected local entity and can assist with goodwill and PR to help the voter referendum's chances with its 30-50k Dade county alumni base and 10k (is it more?) employee base. UM would build tremendous goodwill to help the project pass with the voters. Local connections and counsel on how to best navigate tough issues. Shalala's leadership, savvy, and advocacy can't be underestimated. UM will get the referendum passed for MLS...what's the price tag for that?
-- Yell4theU

MY OFFER IS THIS ... NOTHING

Well, as much as I appreciate your false bravado and intangible assets the U would bring to such a partnership, if you really believe any of that then I suspect that you are smoking the same stuff Michael Irvin smokes because that is straight up nonsense.

If you are seriously banking on rental fees and Donna Shalala's leadership skills and business savvy to carry the day then you might as well just resign yourself to being in Sun Life Stadium for the long haul because frankly, that's absurdly naive reasoning.

Brother, I WANT this to happen. I am pulling for you here. However, Beckham knows that he's going to get this stadium one way or the other and he's going to get a prime location. He is holding all of the cards here, muchacho. The only questions remaining are who is going to pay for it; how many amenities will it have; and how big do they need to make it?

Do you see where I'm going with this? That's what they mean when they say that they need to "reengage with the University of Miami." If they're just counting on the U to be a tenant then you wouldn't factor into any of these issues. However, if you are paying for a large portion of it then you most certainly would need to be "reengaged."

I think one of three things will happen.
1.) The whole project will fall through due to a lack of financing.

2.) The Miami MLS team will announce plans to build a 20-25K seat facility along the waterfront.

3.) The Miami MLS team will announce a major partnership with the University of Miami to build a 40-45K seat stadium in downtown Miami.

I would be shocked (pleasantly so) if this were to turn out any other way than one of the three predicted above. This MLS team isn't going to build a stadium twice the size of its needs for the occasional concert or friendly and they're certainly not going to incur those costs for rental fees or to belly up to Shalala. That's flat out goofy.

Beckham needs revenue in the form of tenants, events & naming rights to pay down debt & turn a profit for his investors ...
he also needs voter approval for his land grab ...
who helps achieve both objectives ...
I want U to humor me ...
for argument's sake ...
ballot prospects appear uncertain ...
and investors can't stand uncertainty ...
and in the wake of the marlins' fiasco -- residents on the hook for $2B over 30 years to fund a ballpark few attend -- it's not implausible ...
knowing at a moment's notice Donna Shalala can marshal voter turnout en masse among U fans, U employees, U alumni & U students to make or break your life's ambition ...
who needs whom ...

YOO-HOO

After studying the idea for months, David Beckham’s group and UM have mutually decided not to pursue the possibility of having the UM football team play in Beckham’s proposed soccer stadium presuming it’s at the boat slip site next to AmericanAirlines Arena, according to several people with direct knowledge. Voters will need to approve that site as a soccer site in a referendum likely to be held in November.

The idea of a joint football/soccer facility became too complicated, with too many logistical issues such as parking. Plus, UM has 18 years left on its Sun Life lease, and Dolphins owner Stephen Ross strongly opposed letting the Hurricanes out of that, though UM never reached the point of asking.

Beckham plans to build a 20,000-seat stadium, pending voter approval. UM told Beckham's group that the stadium would need to be at least 40,000 seats for the Hurricanes to consider playing there. Ultimately, though, feasibility issues beyond capacity caused the sides to decide not to pursue it further.
-- Miami Herald

In speaking w/ #Canes officials, it's clear that no door is closed. Just don't expect it to happen, because it probably won't.
-- Matt Porter‏ @mattyports

goodnight sweet prince ...
it's over ...

FOR NOW

I'm STUNNED, I tell you...said no one ever.

http://sports-kings.com/downanddistance/...s-stadium/

There’s high optimism that Stephen Ross’ Sun Life stadium renovations will get done in the wake of Ross making more concessions in recent days.

Not only is Ross willing to pay for the entire cost of the upgrades/renovations, but he is no longer asking for a tax break.

The newest twist is Ross is now asking for Miami-Dade County to pay him some of the incremental value for big events that are lured to the stadium (Super Bowls, college football title games) with that payment coming after the event, according to an official involved.
-- Miami Herald

oh the hardship ...

CONSOLATION PRIZE

Never mind. I see that reality has finally set in. I just wonder how the Beckham people will ever pull this off without the full might of Donna Shalala behind their efforts?

This sucks.

I wanted this for Miami. Their current home blows (pun intended) and no renovation will fix that. The location is horrible.


Miami REALLY needs a new home....not a new facility....but a home.

(06-02-2014 09:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Never mind. I see that reality has finally set in. I just wonder how the Beckham people will ever pull this off without the full might of Donna Shalala behind their efforts?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/02/41...early.html

For months, David Beckham’s Major League Soccer venture has said it will pay some sort of annual rent — “fair,” “market” or “reasonable” — to build a stadium on prime public land.

Yet the number Beckham’s representatives have floated in early talks with the city of Miami is so low that the city manager has called for the two sides to “take a breather.”
-- Miami Herald

RESPIRATORY FAILURE

(06-03-2014 01:45 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-02-2014 09:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Never mind. I see that reality has finally set in. I just wonder how the Beckham people will ever pull this off without the full might of Donna Shalala behind their efforts?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/02/41...early.html

For months, David Beckham’s Major League Soccer venture has said it will pay some sort of annual rent — “fair,” “market” or “reasonable” — to build a stadium on prime public land.

Yet the number Beckham’s representatives have floated in early talks with the city of Miami is so low that the city manager has called for the two sides to “take a breather.”
-- Miami Herald

RESPIRATORY FAILURE

You know how much money the Heat have paid to lease their land since their arena was built? A staggering $240,000.

(06-03-2014 01:58 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:45 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-02-2014 09:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Never mind. I see that reality has finally set in. I just wonder how the Beckham people will ever pull this off without the full might of Donna Shalala behind their efforts?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/02/41...early.html

For months, David Beckham’s Major League Soccer venture has said it will pay some sort of annual rent — “fair,” “market” or “reasonable” — to build a stadium on prime public land.

Yet the number Beckham’s representatives have floated in early talks with the city of Miami is so low that the city manager has called for the two sides to “take a breather.”
-- Miami Herald

RESPIRATORY FAILURE

You know how much money the Heat have paid to lease their land since their arena was built? A staggering $240,000.

where are you getting that number ...

INDULGE ME

Quote:Fourteen years ago, Miami-Dade County negotiated one of the worst "profit-sharing" deals with a local sports franchise ever put to paper. Taxpayers gave Miami Heat owner Micky Arison $38 million in land and a $6.4 million annual subsidy to build the American Airlines Arena downtown, and in exchange the team was supposed to pay back some profits. The total return on that investment? Thirteen years of no sharing followed by a single $240,000 check last year.

I'd say the Beckham offer is MORE than fair in comparison, especially when considering Beckham's group would be paying the cost to fill the slip in.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2..._today.php

you buttress my argument ...
stadium deals are financial losers requiring government bailouts ...

NO MORE PIGS AT THE TROUGH

Wait, so the stadium deal is acceptable if it benifits UM, but as soon as your leeching-a** is booted to the curb it becomes "down with government bailouts"?

Stereotype confirmed.

(06-03-2014 02:32 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Wait, so the stadium deal is acceptable if it benifits UM, but as soon as you're leeching-a** is booted to the curb it becomes "down with government bailouts"?

Stereotype confirmed.

SPECIAL INTEREST

(06-03-2014 02:11 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:58 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:45 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-02-2014 09:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Never mind. I see that reality has finally set in. I just wonder how the Beckham people will ever pull this off without the full might of Donna Shalala behind their efforts?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/02/41...early.html

For months, David Beckham’s Major League Soccer venture has said it will pay some sort of annual rent — “fair,” “market” or “reasonable” — to build a stadium on prime public land.

Yet the number Beckham’s representatives have floated in early talks with the city of Miami is so low that the city manager has called for the two sides to “take a breather.”
-- Miami Herald

RESPIRATORY FAILURE

You know how much money the Heat have paid to lease their land since their arena was built? A staggering $240,000.

where are you getting that number ...

INDULGE ME

I have seen the details on the American Airlines Arena. The arena cost $213 million, with the city pledging $125,670,000 to help pay for it. The total cost to the city is $255 million once the full bonds are paid out. the city pays the bond debt. The Heat keep the naming rights. The team's actual rent is $0.00. They do pay a nominal fee based on game receipts.

But don't feel bad. Of the 17 NBA teams who pay in publicly financed arenas, only 8 of them actually pay rent, and only 3 pay more than $2 million per year.

(06-03-2014 01:31 PM)nole Wrote:  This sucks.

I wanted this for Miami. Their current home blows (pun intended) and no renovation will fix that. The location is horrible.


Miami REALLY needs a new home....not a new facility....but a home.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/07/41...se-on.html

Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez and the Miami Dolphins are close to a deal that needs approval from the county commission under which the NFL team would finance a $400 million upgrade to Sun Life Stadium and the county would pay the franchise a fee for bringing in major sporting events like the Super Bowl.

The long-contemplated overhaul includes installation of new seats, new video screens, lighting and sound systems, and an open canopy to shield fans from sun and rain.
-- Miami Herald

since none of us are privy to backroom dealings ...
I wonder if the threatened loss of the Canes lit a fire under the phins owner ...
regardless thank you daddy warbucks ...

RENT TO OWN

No, the Dolphins have been working on this since last year when Weatherford killed their bill in the legislature.

(05-31-2014 12:48 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  If you're going to continue posting on here I beg of you not to spell like the stereotypical Miami fan. Please.

This will be the last time I bother saying this, but the stadium likely will NOT get approval at that site if it's going to accommodate football as well. The City/County CANNOT just hand the land over to Beckham. It HAS to go up for a public vote to be approved. I think there is a good chance a 20,000-seat, soccer-specific stadium is approved. I DO NOT think there is a good chance a football stadium is approved. The Marlins' stadium was rejected on the waterfront, too.

I mentioned the cost of land in regards to OTHER locations in the downtown area. If Beckham's group insists on making a dual-purpose stadium - which they currently are not insisting - I think they'll have to find a non-waterfront location to build it. And since a downtown location makes the most sense, purchasing the land to build the stadium could prove quite costly, especially since UM isn't putting up any money of their own.

I also don't trust the scaling in the picture you linked.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/09/41...oters.html

David Beckham, who was in Miami over the weekend campaigning for a Major League Soccer stadium, may have to make return trips now that a new Miami Herald/el Nuevo Herald poll shows Miami-Dade County voters are evenly divided over the proposal.

By 45-43 percent, Miami-Dade voters said they were against the retired English footballer’s idea to build a 20,000-seat stadium on the downtown waterfront
-- Miami Herald

SURE THING. NO PROBLEM. MORTAL LOCK.

Show me where I said it was a sure thing. Come on. Just show me.

This hurts your claim that a 50,000-seat stadium would've had more support, don't you think?