(05-16-2014 01:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:34 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 10:59 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 09:01 AM)john01992 Wrote:  i can understand wvu-vtech or wvu-pitt but wvu-uconn seems to have no historic ties between the schools nor any shared agenda. we are talking about a BB-first & a FB-first school with completely different alumni/demographic bases and completely different cultures. i honestly do not see any connection between the two. if anything these two schools are against each other with competing ACC aspirations.

cincy-wvu is probably the closest thing cincy has to a p5 ally. but i have never once seen wvu really go out on a limb and push for cincy specifically. in a couple of years.....who knows.

I wouldn't call WVU FB-first, it is fairly balanced in importance to supporters. Hoops, until the early 80's was probably more important - BIT could answer this better. Also, typical of someone who supports PSU, SU and a laundry list of other schools to think he/she knows what WV's culture is.

id call you a fan who knows very little about his own school. i can only imagine what bitcruncher would say if he were here. wvu has traditionally been FB first. they had a number of BB games under 6k this year.

You're wrong and its not my school it is a sports program I have followed since I was a kid.

bitcruncher (the former wvu mod) would flip a **** over this comment. WVU is definitely a football first school.

I am not as certain as to what he'd say as you are; I would be interested to hear his comments. All I know is both sports are beloved and when winning neither one takes precedent over the other. Fans may have a different take than administrators, of course, as FB pays the bills. Your perspective is by looking from the outside in, not visa/versa.

(05-15-2014 10:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  For the record, most UC fans understand why we're not in the P5 today. We didn't get invited to the club 80 years ago and we've always hovered right on the edge of respectability. To get invited you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you belong, and you have to do it at the right time. Unfortunately for us 1961, 1962, 1992, and 2009 were not reallignment years, and they were all followed up by sub-par seasons.

But it's still frustrating to know you're currently better than half the P5 and still be left on the outside. We're a huge school in a big state, with 42,000 students and 270,000 living alumni including a President of the United States and the best left-handed pitcher every to throw a baseball. We've invested over $200 million in athletic facilities in the last decade. We have a $1 billion dollar endowment and perform more academic research than 2/3 of P5 schools. We have 7 pro Hall-of-Famers, five 10-win seasons in the last 7 years, more top-25 finishes in the last 7 years than half the P5 has had in the last 25, and 2 national titles in basketball.

And it's not like we're a new kid on the block. Next year will be our 125th year of big-time college football. We won bowl games in 1897, 1947, and 1949, had a Hall-of-Fame football coach for 6 years in the 50s, and went to 5 straight Final Fours from 59-63.

You can see why we're frustrated because we KNOW we belong by any objective measure but we're still left out. Sometimes we forget that it's not always about who is most deserving and it's often about who can go to Austin and get the AD liquored up.

Randy Johnson went to USC :)

(05-16-2014 01:52 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:34 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 10:59 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  I wouldn't call WVU FB-first, it is fairly balanced in importance to supporters. Hoops, until the early 80's was probably more important - BIT could answer this better. Also, typical of someone who supports PSU, SU and a laundry list of other schools to think he/she knows what WV's culture is.

id call you a fan who knows very little about his own school. i can only imagine what bitcruncher would say if he were here. wvu has traditionally been FB first. they had a number of BB games under 6k this year.

You're wrong and its not my school it is a sports program I have followed since I was a kid.

bitcruncher (the former wvu mod) would flip a **** over this comment. WVU is definitely a football first school.

I am not as certain as to what he'd say as you are; I would be interested to hear his comments. All I know is both sports are beloved and when winning neither one takes precedent over the other. Fans may have a different take than administrators, of course, as FB pays the bills. Your perspective is by looking from the outside in, not visa/versa.

it's not about one sport being beloved over the other, but of all the schools that would be classified as FB first or BB first wvu would clearly be in the FB first category. ohio state, michigan, arizona, florida, & ucla would be true balanced schools. duke, unc, cuse, uconn, kansas, & kentucky would be BB-first.

Bit & I had a discussion over this very topic once. It was pretty clear where he stood on it.

(05-16-2014 01:59 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Bit & I had a discussion over this very topic once. It was pretty clear where he stood on it.

In person?

My opinion, and that is what it is, is that WVU is balanced at a different level than OSU, Michigan, et al, but balanced.

But you do speak with authority grasshopper, I'll give that to you.

(05-16-2014 01:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  For the record, most UC fans understand why we're not in the P5 today. We didn't get invited to the club 80 years ago and we've always hovered right on the edge of respectability. To get invited you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you belong, and you have to do it at the right time. Unfortunately for us 1961, 1962, 1992, and 2009 were not reallignment years, and they were all followed up by sub-par seasons.

But it's still frustrating to know you're currently better than half the P5 and still be left on the outside. We're a huge school in a big state, with 42,000 students and 270,000 living alumni including a President of the United States and the best left-handed pitcher every to throw a baseball. We've invested over $200 million in athletic facilities in the last decade. We have a $1 billion dollar endowment and perform more academic research than 2/3 of P5 schools. We have 7 pro Hall-of-Famers, five 10-win seasons in the last 7 years, more top-25 finishes in the last 7 years than half the P5 has had in the last 25, and 2 national titles in basketball.

And it's not like we're a new kid on the block. Next year will be our 125th year of big-time college football. We won bowl games in 1897, 1947, and 1949, had a Hall-of-Fame football coach for 6 years in the 50s, and went to 5 straight Final Fours from 59-63.

You can see why we're frustrated because we KNOW we belong by any objective measure but we're still left out. Sometimes we forget that it's not always about who is most deserving and it's often about who can go to Austin and get the AD liquored up.

Randy Johnson went to USC :)

Sandy Koufax was a Bearcat.

(05-16-2014 02:04 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:59 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Bit & I had a discussion over this very topic once. It was pretty clear where he stood on it.

In person?

My opinion, and that is what it is, is that WVU is balanced at a different level than OSU, Michigan, et al, but balanced.

But you do speak with authority grasshopper, I'll give that to you.

I have never seen the same passion come out of wvu over BB as seen with a number of "balanced" schools. fans of any school would like to think that they are balanced, but sooner or later reality has to kick in. they are not as football first as PSU, but they clearly are not as balanced as Pitt.

(05-16-2014 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 02:04 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:59 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Bit & I had a discussion over this very topic once. It was pretty clear where he stood on it.

In person?

My opinion, and that is what it is, is that WVU is balanced at a different level than OSU, Michigan, et al, but balanced.

But you do speak with authority grasshopper, I'll give that to you.

I have never seen the same passion come out of wvu over BB as seen with a number of "balanced" schools. fans of any school would like to think that they are balanced, but sooner or later reality has to kick in. they are not as football first as PSU, but they clearly are not as balanced as Pitt.

Pitt

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. UC's facilities are not sub par, and are actually very good. UC's football stadium needed updating, granted, but every other facility is first class. The athletics center is 1st class, as is the baseball stadium. The lacrosse stadium/football practice facilities are first class. The basketball arena, while not perfect, holds over 13,000 fans and is loud.

2. I don't feel as though Syracuse wronged UC. Nor the rest of the Big East. My only point is that you constantly run down the Go5 schools. Your school is not head and shoulders above anyone else, and since you bring up facilities I'd really like to point out the Carrier Dome is a piece of junk and even the most homer of all Syracuse fans know that.

bull**** alert!!!!!!!
bull**** alert!!!!!!!

1. when the ACC came looking for candidates UC had a 35k football stadium that is in a condensed location with very limited options for expansion. the stadium lacked any real commitment to suites and premium seating. your BB venue is literally a supersized version of a HS gym. it was built to be a multi purpose center and has a horrible seating arrangement because of that. Oh and no luxury boxes.


so yeah forgive anyone who would dare challenge the notion that cincys lack of a p5 bid has nothing to do with their own administrators lack of a vision and not that mean school from new york.

2. say what you want about the CD but it is a highly profitable venue allowing for SU to have the 25-30th highest athletic budget while taking in less TV money with the Big East contract over the years. and then there is this whole "numerous attendance records" and "being one of the most iconic BB arenas" aspect to it that you are overlooking.

How is it you can make a slightly good point and then just be so insanely wrong the rest of the time? STOP! You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. At all. You'd make a good realignment theorist. That being, almost no one respects your posts anymore because of how constantly wrong you are.

First, Fifth Third has many luxury boxes on both sides of the arena. The best part about your post is you can see them in the picture you posted. There is also the UCATS lounge and dining area, as well as the Director's Society Lounge (for the more elite donors) in your picture as well. You're off to a great start.

Second, that arena was mandated to be built as it stands (AKA multi-purpose) by the State of Ohio legislature. It was forced to be a multi purpose arena by the state, not UC's administrators. People can speculate about the reasoning behind that all they want (Columbus doesn't exactly like to make things easy on UC). It's actually a fine, though far from perfect, arena that is also going to undergo some changes in the near future.

This board doesn't need any more people pimping their own school's facilities based on all these other threads, so you can feel free to look the rest up if you wish (including an elite baseball complex better than many ACC schools). Oops, I guess I did it anyway. So no, UC was not left out because of facilities, it was left out because at the time, other schools had the important factors that conferences wanted. It wasn't from a lack of belonging. It was simply some bad luck and timing.

(05-16-2014 02:28 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. UC's facilities are not sub par, and are actually very good. UC's football stadium needed updating, granted, but every other facility is first class. The athletics center is 1st class, as is the baseball stadium. The lacrosse stadium/football practice facilities are first class. The basketball arena, while not perfect, holds over 13,000 fans and is loud.

2. I don't feel as though Syracuse wronged UC. Nor the rest of the Big East. My only point is that you constantly run down the Go5 schools. Your school is not head and shoulders above anyone else, and since you bring up facilities I'd really like to point out the Carrier Dome is a piece of junk and even the most homer of all Syracuse fans know that.

bull**** alert!!!!!!!
bull**** alert!!!!!!!

1. when the ACC came looking for candidates UC had a 35k football stadium that is in a condensed location with very limited options for expansion. the stadium lacked any real commitment to suites and premium seating. your BB venue is literally a supersized version of a HS gym. it was built to be a multi purpose center and has a horrible seating arrangement because of that. Oh and no luxury boxes.


so yeah forgive anyone who would dare challenge the notion that cincys lack of a p5 bid has nothing to do with their own administrators lack of a vision and not that mean school from new york.

2. say what you want about the CD but it is a highly profitable venue allowing for SU to have the 25-30th highest athletic budget while taking in less TV money with the Big East contract over the years. and then there is this whole "numerous attendance records" and "being one of the most iconic BB arenas" aspect to it that you are overlooking.

How is it you can make a slightly good point and then just be so insanely wrong the rest of the time? STOP! You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. At all. You'd make a good realignment theorist. That being, almost no one respects your posts anymore because of how constantly wrong you are.

First, Fifth Third has many luxury boxes on both sides of the arena. The best part about your post is you can see them in the picture you posted. There is also the UCATS lounge and dining area, as well as the Director's Society Lounge (for the more elite donors) in your picture as well. You're off to a great start.

Second, that arena was mandated to be built as it stands (AKA multi-purpose) by the State of Ohio legislature. It was forced to be a multi purpose arena by the state, not UC's administrators. People can speculate about the reasoning behind that all they want (Columbus doesn't exactly like to make things easy on UC). It's actually a fine, though far from perfect, arena that is also going to undergo some changes in the near future.

This board doesn't need any more people pimping their own school's facilities based on all these other threads, so you can feel free to look the rest up if you wish (including an elite baseball complex better than many ACC schools). Oops, I guess I did it anyway. So no, UC was not left out because of facilities, it was left out because at the time, other schools had the important factors that conferences wanted. It wasn't from a lack of belonging. It was simply some bad luck and timing.

The timing of the chess moves made in the latest rounds of realignment helped some and hurt others. A few moves made differently could of had a big impact on WVU, UoL and UC. Who knows what the future holds; lot of caste, bubble watching speculators on these boards that know nothing.

(05-16-2014 07:43 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 06:50 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  one correlation between uconn & cincy has to do with their networking. neither of the two schools have any real allies in the p5 while both have some pretty clear cut enemies in the p5 who are hellbent on keeping both down for their own benefit.

You have absolutely know idea who UConn or Cinci is or is not "real allies" with.

you mean that one school in central new york who blocked uconn from the ACC not once but twice in favor of two other BE schools? or what about that school in columbus whose former president is on the record saying that he would block cincy from certain state funding just for the hell of it?

in fact can you name one school in the p5 that is willing to stick its neck out and fight for uconns inclusion in their conference? or what about cincy? sure they might have ville but using them only proves my point as ville was not in the p5 at the time cincy was getting snubbed.

Holy smokes.... Did you even address the point being made? You pointed out schools that that are the exact opposite of your bs term "real allies." This is college athletics not the War of Universities. You have absolutely no idea who is an ally of Uconn or Cinci. Sure you can point a team that "blocked UConn twice to the ACC (LOL...ok John)", and Gee's comments about Cinci, but you legitamately have zero inside knowledge of who these schools have strong relationships with that may eventually help in the reelevation of our athletic programs.

(05-16-2014 02:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  For the record, most UC fans understand why we're not in the P5 today. We didn't get invited to the club 80 years ago and we've always hovered right on the edge of respectability. To get invited you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you belong, and you have to do it at the right time. Unfortunately for us 1961, 1962, 1992, and 2009 were not reallignment years, and they were all followed up by sub-par seasons.

But it's still frustrating to know you're currently better than half the P5 and still be left on the outside. We're a huge school in a big state, with 42,000 students and 270,000 living alumni including a President of the United States and the best left-handed pitcher every to throw a baseball. We've invested over $200 million in athletic facilities in the last decade. We have a $1 billion dollar endowment and perform more academic research than 2/3 of P5 schools. We have 7 pro Hall-of-Famers, five 10-win seasons in the last 7 years, more top-25 finishes in the last 7 years than half the P5 has had in the last 25, and 2 national titles in basketball.

And it's not like we're a new kid on the block. Next year will be our 125th year of big-time college football. We won bowl games in 1897, 1947, and 1949, had a Hall-of-Fame football coach for 6 years in the 50s, and went to 5 straight Final Fours from 59-63.

You can see why we're frustrated because we KNOW we belong by any objective measure but we're still left out. Sometimes we forget that it's not always about who is most deserving and it's often about who can go to Austin and get the AD liquored up.

Randy Johnson went to USC :)

Sandy Koufax was a Bearcat.

Then say "second greatest"

(05-16-2014 02:57 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:43 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 06:50 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  one correlation between uconn & cincy has to do with their networking. neither of the two schools have any real allies in the p5 while both have some pretty clear cut enemies in the p5 who are hellbent on keeping both down for their own benefit.

You have absolutely know idea who UConn or Cinci is or is not "real allies" with.

you mean that one school in central new york who blocked uconn from the ACC not once but twice in favor of two other BE schools? or what about that school in columbus whose former president is on the record saying that he would block cincy from certain state funding just for the hell of it?

in fact can you name one school in the p5 that is willing to stick its neck out and fight for uconns inclusion in their conference? or what about cincy? sure they might have ville but using them only proves my point as ville was not in the p5 at the time cincy was getting snubbed.

Holy smokes.... Did you even address the point being made? You pointed out schools that that are the exact opposite of your bs term "real allies." This is college athletics not the War of Universities. You have absolutely no idea who is an ally of Uconn or Cinci. Sure you can point a team that "blocked UConn twice to the ACC (LOL...ok John)", and Gee's comments about Cinci, but you legitamately have zero inside knowledge of who these schools have strong relationships with that may eventually help in the reelevation of our athletic programs.

because none exist within the P5

you clearly don't understand that point and you clearly do not understand that there are times when schools help others find a way into a conference, and there are times when schools block other schools from a conference. uconn is one of those examples

get over it hank.

(05-16-2014 02:28 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. UC's facilities are not sub par, and are actually very good. UC's football stadium needed updating, granted, but every other facility is first class. The athletics center is 1st class, as is the baseball stadium. The lacrosse stadium/football practice facilities are first class. The basketball arena, while not perfect, holds over 13,000 fans and is loud.

2. I don't feel as though Syracuse wronged UC. Nor the rest of the Big East. My only point is that you constantly run down the Go5 schools. Your school is not head and shoulders above anyone else, and since you bring up facilities I'd really like to point out the Carrier Dome is a piece of junk and even the most homer of all Syracuse fans know that.

bull**** alert!!!!!!!
bull**** alert!!!!!!!

1. when the ACC came looking for candidates UC had a 35k football stadium that is in a condensed location with very limited options for expansion. the stadium lacked any real commitment to suites and premium seating. your BB venue is literally a supersized version of a HS gym. it was built to be a multi purpose center and has a horrible seating arrangement because of that. Oh and no luxury boxes.


so yeah forgive anyone who would dare challenge the notion that cincys lack of a p5 bid has nothing to do with their own administrators lack of a vision and not that mean school from new york.

2. say what you want about the CD but it is a highly profitable venue allowing for SU to have the 25-30th highest athletic budget while taking in less TV money with the Big East contract over the years. and then there is this whole "numerous attendance records" and "being one of the most iconic BB arenas" aspect to it that you are overlooking.

How is it you can make a slightly good point and then just be so insanely wrong the rest of the time? STOP! You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. At all. You'd make a good realignment theorist. That being, almost no one respects your posts anymore because of how constantly wrong you are.

First, Fifth Third has many luxury boxes on both sides of the arena. The best part about your post is you can see them in the picture you posted. There is also the UCATS lounge and dining area, as well as the Director's Society Lounge (for the more elite donors) in your picture as well. You're off to a great start.

Second, that arena was mandated to be built as it stands (AKA multi-purpose) by the State of Ohio legislature. It was forced to be a multi purpose arena by the state, not UC's administrators. People can speculate about the reasoning behind that all they want (Columbus doesn't exactly like to make things easy on UC). It's actually a fine, though far from perfect, arena that is also going to undergo some changes in the near future.

This board doesn't need any more people pimping their own school's facilities based on all these other threads, so you can feel free to look the rest up if you wish (including an elite baseball complex better than many ACC schools). Oops, I guess I did it anyway. So no, UC was not left out because of facilities, it was left out because at the time, other schools had the important factors that conferences wanted. It wasn't from a lack of belonging. It was simply some bad luck and timing.

those are sorry excuse for luxury boxes. any value that a box would net gets destroyed with that absolutely horrible location. maybe I shoulda been more clear on that, but the point still stands. 53A has a horrible setup when it comes capitalizing on luxury. now you can blame Tosu all you want, but that still doesn't change the fact that this is your problem and the reason why the ACC didn't give you guys any consideration.

facilities do matter because it has a huge impact on how schools are perceived by others, the strength of a school, and how well a school is run.

(05-16-2014 04:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  you clearly don't understand that point and you clearly do not understand that there are times when schools help others find a way into a conference, and there are times when schools block other schools from a conference.

Any Houston fan can testify to that staement!!!

Dont get me wrong we have not helped ourselves in the recent past, but there is a history with one or more schools that show this to be true.

(05-16-2014 04:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 02:57 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:43 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 06:50 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  one correlation between uconn & cincy has to do with their networking. neither of the two schools have any real allies in the p5 while both have some pretty clear cut enemies in the p5 who are hellbent on keeping both down for their own benefit.

You have absolutely know idea who UConn or Cinci is or is not "real allies" with.

you mean that one school in central new york who blocked uconn from the ACC not once but twice in favor of two other BE schools? or what about that school in columbus whose former president is on the record saying that he would block cincy from certain state funding just for the hell of it?

in fact can you name one school in the p5 that is willing to stick its neck out and fight for uconns inclusion in their conference? or what about cincy? sure they might have ville but using them only proves my point as ville was not in the p5 at the time cincy was getting snubbed.

Holy smokes.... Did you even address the point being made? You pointed out schools that that are the exact opposite of your bs term "real allies." This is college athletics not the War of Universities. You have absolutely no idea who is an ally of Uconn or Cinci. Sure you can point a team that "blocked UConn twice to the ACC (LOL...ok John)", and Gee's comments about Cinci, but you legitamately have zero inside knowledge of who these schools have strong relationships with that may eventually help in the reelevation of our athletic programs.

because none exist within the P5

you clearly don't understand that point and you clearly do not understand that there are times when schools help others find a way into a conference, and there are times when schools block other schools from a conference. uconn is one of those examples

get over it hank.

You don't know half of what you think you do. Lucky for you this is a message board and not the real world. I sincerely hope you do not treat every discussion the way you treat college athletics.

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(05-16-2014 04:40 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 04:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 02:57 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:43 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 06:50 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  You have absolutely know idea who UConn or Cinci is or is not "real allies" with.

you mean that one school in central new york who blocked uconn from the ACC not once but twice in favor of two other BE schools? or what about that school in columbus whose former president is on the record saying that he would block cincy from certain state funding just for the hell of it?

in fact can you name one school in the p5 that is willing to stick its neck out and fight for uconns inclusion in their conference? or what about cincy? sure they might have ville but using them only proves my point as ville was not in the p5 at the time cincy was getting snubbed.

Holy smokes.... Did you even address the point being made? You pointed out schools that that are the exact opposite of your bs term "real allies." This is college athletics not the War of Universities. You have absolutely no idea who is an ally of Uconn or Cinci. Sure you can point a team that "blocked UConn twice to the ACC (LOL...ok John)", and Gee's comments about Cinci, but you legitamately have zero inside knowledge of who these schools have strong relationships with that may eventually help in the reelevation of our athletic programs.

because none exist within the P5

you clearly don't understand that point and you clearly do not understand that there are times when schools help others find a way into a conference, and there are times when schools block other schools from a conference. uconn is one of those examples

get over it hank.

You don't know half of what you think you do. Lucky for you this is a message board and not the real world. I sincerely hope you do not treat every discussion the way you treat college athletics.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

yeah i obviously don't know what I am talking about and it is not like anything that I have been saying isn't documented in numerous interviews/books

oh wait......

(05-16-2014 04:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 02:28 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. UC's facilities are not sub par, and are actually very good. UC's football stadium needed updating, granted, but every other facility is first class. The athletics center is 1st class, as is the baseball stadium. The lacrosse stadium/football practice facilities are first class. The basketball arena, while not perfect, holds over 13,000 fans and is loud.

2. I don't feel as though Syracuse wronged UC. Nor the rest of the Big East. My only point is that you constantly run down the Go5 schools. Your school is not head and shoulders above anyone else, and since you bring up facilities I'd really like to point out the Carrier Dome is a piece of junk and even the most homer of all Syracuse fans know that.

bull**** alert!!!!!!!
bull**** alert!!!!!!!

1. when the ACC came looking for candidates UC had a 35k football stadium that is in a condensed location with very limited options for expansion. the stadium lacked any real commitment to suites and premium seating. your BB venue is literally a supersized version of a HS gym. it was built to be a multi purpose center and has a horrible seating arrangement because of that. Oh and no luxury boxes.


so yeah forgive anyone who would dare challenge the notion that cincys lack of a p5 bid has nothing to do with their own administrators lack of a vision and not that mean school from new york.

2. say what you want about the CD but it is a highly profitable venue allowing for SU to have the 25-30th highest athletic budget while taking in less TV money with the Big East contract over the years. and then there is this whole "numerous attendance records" and "being one of the most iconic BB arenas" aspect to it that you are overlooking.

How is it you can make a slightly good point and then just be so insanely wrong the rest of the time? STOP! You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. At all. You'd make a good realignment theorist. That being, almost no one respects your posts anymore because of how constantly wrong you are.

First, Fifth Third has many luxury boxes on both sides of the arena. The best part about your post is you can see them in the picture you posted. There is also the UCATS lounge and dining area, as well as the Director's Society Lounge (for the more elite donors) in your picture as well. You're off to a great start.

Second, that arena was mandated to be built as it stands (AKA multi-purpose) by the State of Ohio legislature. It was forced to be a multi purpose arena by the state, not UC's administrators. People can speculate about the reasoning behind that all they want (Columbus doesn't exactly like to make things easy on UC). It's actually a fine, though far from perfect, arena that is also going to undergo some changes in the near future.

This board doesn't need any more people pimping their own school's facilities based on all these other threads, so you can feel free to look the rest up if you wish (including an elite baseball complex better than many ACC schools). Oops, I guess I did it anyway. So no, UC was not left out because of facilities, it was left out because at the time, other schools had the important factors that conferences wanted. It wasn't from a lack of belonging. It was simply some bad luck and timing.

those are sorry excuse for luxury boxes. any value that a box would net gets destroyed with that absolutely horrible location. maybe I shoulda been more clear on that, but the point still stands. 53A has a horrible setup when it comes capitalizing on luxury. now you can blame Tosu all you want, but that still doesn't change the fact that this is your problem and the reason why the ACC didn't give you guys any consideration.

facilities do matter because it has a huge impact on how schools are perceived by others, the strength of a school, and how well a school is run.

To summarize: I've brought facts and you've brought a slighted teenager's opinion because mlb said some bad things about Syracuse as a result of his frustration. You may think whatever you wish. I think this discussion has gone far enough. Anyone that reads it can form their own opinion. I don't think you come out looking like you knew what you were talking about, which seems appropriate.

You can think what you want. Obviously the mods are getting fed up with these g5 vs p5 threads hence the reason I am just gonna walk away from this conversation.

(05-16-2014 10:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  You can think what you want. Obviously the mods are getting fed up with these g5 vs p5 threads hence the reason I am just gonna walk away from this conversation.

Enjoy FS1