(05-14-2014 06:32 PM)goofus Wrote:  translation - neither team wants to give up their precious 7th home game and would rather play 2 cupcakes a year instead of each other.

I am really starting to hate the 7th home game in college football. Its the root of many scheduling issues. If everyone would go to 6 home games, then everyone could play each other.

^
This from coming from an Iowa fan... I give you a hand....

Just as long as you realize that is how it is for just about EVERY AQ.

(05-15-2014 10:04 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 08:29 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 07:05 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:15 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Go look at the history and come back to me with the usually lose stuff. MIchigan has been our Achilles hill lately but that series isn't lopsided

Didn't you mean to say Achilles HEEL?

Yes, using my phone and picked the wrong one. Kind like Achilles Hill though.

I hope you noticed the irony.

I did...

(05-15-2014 08:39 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 08:37 AM)fsugrad99 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 06:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 06:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Notre Dame will soon announce full membership in the ACC, including football. he writing is on the wall!

Status quo, Wilkie. Status quo. ND did not resign with NBC through 2025 to join the ACC any time soon in football.

Right now, ND likes its set up perfectly. Best of both worlds.

Unless conference only champs becomes the playoff requirement, ND is not going to give up it current football status.

Why do so?

Gonna steal ND's dog, hold a gun to it and send a ransom note with a picture captioned "Join the ACC of the dog gets it."

Gonna miss that dog.....






So long, Clashmore Mike!!!


http://www.clashmoremike.com/about/clashmore-mike/

(05-14-2014 07:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It's alright, the P5 will push for an extra regular season game eventually. There will be more expansion but there are some roadblocks to it and its all rather similar to this situation.

The new governing system will allow for another regular season week. A lot of issues will get resolved in very quick fashion once the governing system is slimmed down.

Maybe. The biggest obstacles to a 13th game are money and TV networks, the two things that the big boys will continue to answer to even if the NCAA is not in their way.

Because of bowl games, the playoff, and TV's disinterest in pushing the end of the CFB playoff closer to the AFC/NFC title games and the Super Bowl, a 13th game almost certainly won't be tacked onto the end of the CFB season. The first Saturday in December is very likely to remain as the last day of the CFB regular season including conference title games. Unless you get rid of the first 20 or so bowl games, which probably won't happen soon.

That means that a 13th game would be tacked onto the start of the current CFB calendar. While that is possible, there are several reasons why playing a week earlier -- meaning games on August 23, on this year's calendar -- is not appealing to many. Even the colleges that start their fall semester early won't have started classes that early. The weather in the south and southwest is very hot in mid-August. Many people take vacations in August and don't want to have to commit to attending a CFB game that week. TV audiences are smaller, so TV networks will want to pay CFB a lot less for a mid-August weekend than they do for, say, the first weekend in November.

(05-15-2014 09:13 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  University of Notre Dame Football Schedules

2014
Aug. 30 RICE (cup cake)
Sept. 6 MICHIGAN (night)
Sept. 13 * Purdue at Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Ind. (night)
Sept. 27 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 4 STANFORD
Oct. 11 NORTH CAROLINA
Oct. 18 at Florida State
Nov. 1 vs. Navy (FedEx Field, Landover, Md.)
Nov. 8 at Arizona State
Nov. 15 NORTHWESTERN
Nov. 22 LOUISVILLE
Nov. 29 at USC

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule AZ State, Sanford, USC and Navy.

2015
Sept. 5 TEXAS
Sept. 12 at Virginia
Sept. 19 GEORGIA TECH
Sept. 26 MASSACHUSETTS (cup cake)
Oct. 3 at Clemson
Oct. 10 NAVY (cup cake)
Oct. 17 USC
Oct. 31 at Temple (Lincoln Financial Services Field) (cup cake)
Nov. 7 at Pittsburgh
Nov. 14 WAKE FOREST
Nov. 21 * Boston College at Fenway Park, Boston, Mass. (night)
Nov. 28 at Stanford

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Navy, USC, and Stanford.

2016
Sept. 3 at Texas
Sept. 10 NEVADA (cup cake)
Sept. 17 MICHIGAN STATE
Sept. 24 DUKE
Oct. 1 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 8 at North Carolina State
Oct. 15 STANFORD
Oct. 29 MIAMI
Nov. 5 vs. Navy (site TBD) (cup cake)
Nov. 12 * Army at Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas (night) (cup cake)
Nov. 19 VIRGINIA TECH
Nov. 26 at USC
* Shamrock Series game

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Stanford, USC and Army.

I fail to see why playing 8 ACC games would hurt Notre Dame, other than a damaged fan ego! In regards to the Navy and Army issue rotate them every other year.

ND rarely plays Army, Wilkie. That is an urban myth.

ND has played Army a grand total of 4 times since 1985.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/...teamid=188

It has nothing to do with being able to fit those games into a conference schedule, Wilkie.

It has to do with the school's identity, marketing strategy and brand.

(05-15-2014 09:57 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 09:19 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Navy will never come off the schedule unless they choose to come off. We own them for bailing us during WW2.

Could not have said it better

Other reasons: they get really good, drop a division, or want to <gasp> play at their place more than once a decade.

1) Negative. They beat ND three out of four times from 2007-10. They are still on the schedule.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/...eamid=2173


2) Maybe, but doubtful. You are talking FCS, no?


3) Navy never wants to play their home games against ND at Annapolis.


Navy makes too much money by controlling the gate at Fed Ex or other larger venues.

Try again?

(05-14-2014 06:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  wow nice F you move by notre dame. we knew some of NDs rivalries would go away with the ACC move but i don't think anyone was expecting only the b10 rivalries to be on the chopping block.

The 1930s say hello.

(05-15-2014 09:19 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 09:13 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  University of Notre Dame Football Schedules

2014
Aug. 30 RICE (cup cake)
Sept. 6 MICHIGAN (night)
Sept. 13 * Purdue at Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Ind. (night)
Sept. 27 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 4 STANFORD
Oct. 11 NORTH CAROLINA
Oct. 18 at Florida State
Nov. 1 vs. Navy (FedEx Field, Landover, Md.)
Nov. 8 at Arizona State
Nov. 15 NORTHWESTERN
Nov. 22 LOUISVILLE
Nov. 29 at USC

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule AZ State, Sanford, USC and Navy.

2015
Sept. 5 TEXAS
Sept. 12 at Virginia
Sept. 19 GEORGIA TECH
Sept. 26 MASSACHUSETTS (cup cake)
Oct. 3 at Clemson
Oct. 10 NAVY (cup cake)
Oct. 17 USC
Oct. 31 at Temple (Lincoln Financial Services Field) (cup cake)
Nov. 7 at Pittsburgh
Nov. 14 WAKE FOREST
Nov. 21 * Boston College at Fenway Park, Boston, Mass. (night)
Nov. 28 at Stanford

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Navy, USC, and Stanford.

2016
Sept. 3 at Texas
Sept. 10 NEVADA (cup cake)
Sept. 17 MICHIGAN STATE
Sept. 24 DUKE
Oct. 1 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 8 at North Carolina State
Oct. 15 STANFORD
Oct. 29 MIAMI
Nov. 5 vs. Navy (site TBD) (cup cake)
Nov. 12 * Army at Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas (night) (cup cake)
Nov. 19 VIRGINIA TECH
Nov. 26 at USC
* Shamrock Series game

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Stanford, USC and Army.

I fail to see why playing 8 ACC games would hurt Notre Dame, other than a damaged fan ego! In regards to the Navy and Army issue rotate them every other year.

Navy will never come off the schedule unless they choose to come off. We owe them for bailing us during WW2.

Funny - recently, many ND posters were singing similar praises of Michigan State, and the loyalty of ND to MSU.


Notre Dame has one loyalty - itself. It will cut Navy if it is advantageous to ND.

(05-15-2014 08:11 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 07:38 AM)krup Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 06:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 06:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Notre Dame will soon announce full membership in the ACC, including football. he writing is on the wall!

Status quo, Wilkie. Status quo. ND did not resign with NBC through 2025 to join the ACC any time soon in football.

Right now, ND likes its set up perfectly. Best of both worlds.

Unless conference only champs becomes the playoff requirement, ND is not going to give up it current football status.

Why do so?

It is kind of amusing to read ACC fans that think Notre Dame's partial membership is somehow a path to full membership. ND got exactly what they needed (scheduling certainty, access to "less than BCS" bowls and a good home for their non-football sports) and there is nothing to be gained by full membership.

The playoff is never going to get to "conference champs only" when people feel the 2nd and 3rd best SEC team is better than many other P5 conference champs. Going to a playoff of 8 will remove that as a possibility forever.

It's not amusing. It's a calculated risk. The ACC set this up in the past by inviting Boston College and Pitt...teams that Notre Dame already played. If the scheduling nightmare continues the way it's going, independents may finally give up and join a conference. I'm interested to see how ND fills their schedule out after 2017 (I believe Mich State drops off after this). The B1G is going to 9 conference games and may not want to schedule ND. Of course we're talking about years away from now, but it's not that far fetched if you sit back and think about it.

The scheduling nightmare for ND was playing home games like Western Michigan and Tulsa at the time other schools were deep in their conference schedule. Notre Dame now has scheduling certainty for 8 games a year (5 ACC, 2 Pac12 and Navy) just like a conference school, and tons of schools that would want to play them in their 4 "OOC" games.

A road to the playoff, and the ACC giving them scheduling certainty and a nice bowl home for teams that are good but not good enough for a "BCS" bowl, means there is LESS pressure on ND to join a conference than there has ever been.

It is amusing to watch the ACC fans delusion about ND because I already lived through the same thing in the Big East.

(05-15-2014 12:19 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 09:19 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 09:13 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  University of Notre Dame Football Schedules

2014
Aug. 30 RICE (cup cake)
Sept. 6 MICHIGAN (night)
Sept. 13 * Purdue at Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Ind. (night)
Sept. 27 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 4 STANFORD
Oct. 11 NORTH CAROLINA
Oct. 18 at Florida State
Nov. 1 vs. Navy (FedEx Field, Landover, Md.)
Nov. 8 at Arizona State
Nov. 15 NORTHWESTERN
Nov. 22 LOUISVILLE
Nov. 29 at USC

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule AZ State, Sanford, USC and Navy.

2015
Sept. 5 TEXAS
Sept. 12 at Virginia
Sept. 19 GEORGIA TECH
Sept. 26 MASSACHUSETTS (cup cake)
Oct. 3 at Clemson
Oct. 10 NAVY (cup cake)
Oct. 17 USC
Oct. 31 at Temple (Lincoln Financial Services Field) (cup cake)
Nov. 7 at Pittsburgh
Nov. 14 WAKE FOREST
Nov. 21 * Boston College at Fenway Park, Boston, Mass. (night)
Nov. 28 at Stanford

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Navy, USC, and Stanford.

2016
Sept. 3 at Texas
Sept. 10 NEVADA (cup cake)
Sept. 17 MICHIGAN STATE
Sept. 24 DUKE
Oct. 1 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 8 at North Carolina State
Oct. 15 STANFORD
Oct. 29 MIAMI
Nov. 5 vs. Navy (site TBD) (cup cake)
Nov. 12 * Army at Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas (night) (cup cake)
Nov. 19 VIRGINIA TECH
Nov. 26 at USC
* Shamrock Series game

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Stanford, USC and Army.

I fail to see why playing 8 ACC games would hurt Notre Dame, other than a damaged fan ego! In regards to the Navy and Army issue rotate them every other year.

Navy will never come off the schedule unless they choose to come off. We owe them for bailing us during WW2.

Funny - recently, many ND posters were singing similar praises of Michigan State, and the loyalty of ND to MSU.


Notre Dame has one loyalty - itself. It will cut Navy if it is advantageous to ND.

Maybe so....but it hasn't happened since 1927.

Who does Illinois have loyalty to?

If another conference was hypothetically able to add multiple millions of dollars to the Illinois bottom line, I guess that Illinois would decline out of its deep, abiding loyalty to Iowa and Minnesota?

(05-15-2014 10:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  3) Navy never wants to play their home games against ND at Annapolis.

I was including games in Baltimore as being mostly a home game for them. For instance, Navy is playing Ohio State in Baltimore this year.

I consider DC more of a neutral-site game, but that could be mostly a technicality since Navy does have ties to DC.

Nevertheless.... The point is... Navy will play the game where Notre Dame wants to play the game. The "convenience" factor there gets shoved under the table with WWII talk.

Quote:2) Maybe, but doubtful. You are talking FCS, no?
Try again?

I'm talking about Notre Dame going "pro" with the P5 and paying players. I'm not so sure Navy will do the same, and given that, would the game still be interesting?

(05-15-2014 12:52 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

Quote:2) Maybe, but doubtful. You are talking FCS, no?
Try again?

I'm talking about Notre Dame going "pro" with the P5 and paying players. I'm not so sure Navy will do the same, and given that, would the game still be interesting?

I thought the Academies already "paid" their players. However paying a stipend is not going to change who decides to go to the Naval Academy. Almost no one goes to the Academies to play ball first.

(05-15-2014 12:46 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  3) Navy never wants to play their home games against ND at Annapolis.

I was including games in Baltimore as being mostly a home game for them. For instance, Navy is playing Ohio State in Baltimore this year.

I consider DC more of a neutral-site game, but that could be mostly a technicality since Navy does have ties to DC.

Nevertheless.... The point is... Navy will play the game where Notre Dame wants to play the game. The "convenience" factor there gets shoved under the table with WWII talk.

It doesn't matter to Navy if they are at "neutral sites" for their "home" games for Navy.

Navy sells all the tickets and CBS televises the game. Navy gets the $$$$$ even if 75% of the fans are wearing green.

(05-15-2014 12:52 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

Quote:2) Maybe, but doubtful. You are talking FCS, no?
Try again?

I'm talking about Notre Dame going "pro" with the P5 and paying players. I'm not so sure Navy will do the same, and given that, would the game still be interesting?

Yes?

Sure, Notre Dame is loyal to itself - as, ultimately, every other school is. The difference is that ND has options that nobody else has, and their independence is a cherished part of their identity.

While I'd agree that the B1G, SEC, and PAC are all pretty cohesive and appear to be oriented towards the good of the whole, it's pretty easy to do so when you're either a member of one of the most powerful and lucrative conferences, and/or are geographically isolated.

I think that it's a real shame that Sparty and ND can't appear to work this out, but unfortunately it's part and parcel of the modern world of collegiate sports.

(05-15-2014 12:43 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 12:19 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 09:19 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 09:13 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  University of Notre Dame Football Schedules

2014
Aug. 30 RICE (cup cake)
Sept. 6 MICHIGAN (night)
Sept. 13 * Purdue at Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Ind. (night)
Sept. 27 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 4 STANFORD
Oct. 11 NORTH CAROLINA
Oct. 18 at Florida State
Nov. 1 vs. Navy (FedEx Field, Landover, Md.)
Nov. 8 at Arizona State
Nov. 15 NORTHWESTERN
Nov. 22 LOUISVILLE
Nov. 29 at USC

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule AZ State, Sanford, USC and Navy.

2015
Sept. 5 TEXAS
Sept. 12 at Virginia
Sept. 19 GEORGIA TECH
Sept. 26 MASSACHUSETTS (cup cake)
Oct. 3 at Clemson
Oct. 10 NAVY (cup cake)
Oct. 17 USC
Oct. 31 at Temple (Lincoln Financial Services Field) (cup cake)
Nov. 7 at Pittsburgh
Nov. 14 WAKE FOREST
Nov. 21 * Boston College at Fenway Park, Boston, Mass. (night)
Nov. 28 at Stanford

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Navy, USC, and Stanford.

2016
Sept. 3 at Texas
Sept. 10 NEVADA (cup cake)
Sept. 17 MICHIGAN STATE
Sept. 24 DUKE
Oct. 1 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 8 at North Carolina State
Oct. 15 STANFORD
Oct. 29 MIAMI
Nov. 5 vs. Navy (site TBD) (cup cake)
Nov. 12 * Army at Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas (night) (cup cake)
Nov. 19 VIRGINIA TECH
Nov. 26 at USC
* Shamrock Series game

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Stanford, USC and Army.

I fail to see why playing 8 ACC games would hurt Notre Dame, other than a damaged fan ego! In regards to the Navy and Army issue rotate them every other year.

Navy will never come off the schedule unless they choose to come off. We owe them for bailing us during WW2.

Funny - recently, many ND posters were singing similar praises of Michigan State, and the loyalty of ND to MSU.


Notre Dame has one loyalty - itself. It will cut Navy if it is advantageous to ND.

Maybe so....but it hasn't happened since 1927.

Who does Illinois have loyalty to?

If another conference was hypothetically able to add multiple millions of dollars to the Illinois bottom line, I guess that Illinois would decline out of its deep, abiding loyalty to Iowa and Minnesota?

Since Illinois is already in the richest conference, don't think that is happening...

And we aren't talking about switching a conference - we are talking about a football series.

ND had/has a bunch scheduling goals to achieve. The alliance with the ACC serves these better than the historic rivalries with MSU, PU and UM. The two biggest problems ND faced were 1) finding quality opponents during conference regular seasons, 2) ensuring access to quality bowl games.

The Big Ten's conference scheduling philosophy pretty much locks the ND-MSU, ND-PU and ND-UM games into the first three or four weeks of the season. Those are the weeks that everybody has open, including other opponents that ND wants to schedule like Texas. At midseason, ND is left scheduling less attractive opponents. The ACC can weave ND into its conference schedule and leave weeks 1-3 open for more flexible matchups.

(05-15-2014 08:11 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If the scheduling nightmare continues the way it's going, independents may finally give up and join a conference.

"the independents" at present is slated to only be ND, Army and BYU.

And ND has no scheduling nightmare ... it has a de facto 8 game conference schedule, 5 ACC, 2 PAC-12 and Navy, 4 home, 4 away, and has no trouble filling 4 OOC games with the national schedule they like to play.

Actually, if Army ever felt a squeeze, they could add three game deals with the American and the MWC (Navy+2, Air Force+2) to their three game deal with the MAC and be covered for a national schedule.

BYU ... well, I guess that's the subject of speculation on a number of current threads on this forum.

(05-15-2014 04:26 PM)orangefan Wrote:  The ACC can weave ND into its conference schedule and leave weeks 1-3 open for more flexible matchups.

More than the ACC weaving ND games in ... AFAIU, the agreement is that ACC gives the opponents and ND sets the dates, which is the perfect solution to the scheduling problems of an independent in October and November.

(05-15-2014 12:43 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Maybe so....but it hasn't happened since 1927.

Who does Illinois have loyalty to?

If another conference was hypothetically able to add multiple millions of dollars to the Illinois bottom line, I guess that Illinois would decline out of its deep, abiding loyalty to Iowa and Minnesota?

Yes?