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Hokie Mark · 05-15-2014 05:37 AM

(05-14-2014 11:19 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:
(05-14-2014 06:32 PM)goofus Wrote: translation - neither team wants to give up their precious 7th home game and would rather play 2 cupcakes a year instead of each other.

I am really starting to hate the 7th home game in college football. Its the root of many scheduling issues. If everyone would go to 6 home games, then everyone could play each other.

This.

If we had a competent sanctioning body everyone would have to have a balanced schedule. The egregious seven and eight home game BS must end.

BINGO.

It doesn't matter how many conference games you play - the REAL evil is the fact that most P5 teams try to schedule 7 home + 5 away (or even 4 away + 1 neutral), which is killing rivalries because NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY ON THE ROAD. If the P5 legislate that (by requiring all P5 teams to play 6 road games per year) then we'll see 9 or 10 conference games AND a couple of P5 home + home games. Until then, you get occasional neutral site match-ups...

bladhmadh · 05-15-2014 06:38 AM

people have long memories especially when it involves being discriminated against. Michigan led a three decade big ten boycott of notre dame. it forced notre dame to start playing all over the country to get games and led to the rivalries with USC and Navy and the history of playing Army. If you have to cut back on rivals you cut the ******** who refused to play you for over thirty years because you were catholic not the schools who filled you schedule during those years.

TerryD · 05-15-2014 06:38 AM

(05-14-2014 09:42 PM)bluesox Wrote: Indy 500 for the natural game could work. I don't know why ND doesn't plan to play 1 big 10 school per year.

For what purpose, exactly?

Why give the Big Ten a good annual OOC game or games? ND doesn't need to play Big Ten schools for Midwest exposure or recruits.

It sits right there in the middle of Big Ten country and plays six games a year in the Big Ten's backyard. Those games are all nationally televised by NBC.

The Big Ten and ND are not friends and are not allies, quite the opposite.

The goals of the parties are completely different and are likely adverse.

The Big Ten had made rumblings in the recent past that with nine game schedules and conference realignment, the ND games were in jeopardy.

That was part of the Big Ten's efforts to force ND to consider joining with it.

ND pulled a fast one with the partial ACC deal, a sort of preemptive strike. See ya later, Big Ten.

There are four other P5 conferences to schedule games with. Everyone involved will be fine.

Those games can be replaced by games with Texas, Oklahoma, FSU, Clemson, Miami, BYU, Arizona State, etc..

ND is looking Southeast, Southwest and West, not Midwest. A look at this map of the hometowns of the top 10 NFL picks since 2009 might give a clue as to one reason why:

https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=963129&add=1

A complete separation or divorce is something that I mentioned several years ago. I think it best for both sides.

ND has never really been about "regional rivalries", but more national or intersectional ones.

While the Michigan State series was by far my favorite out of the three Big Ten games, as far as never playing a Big Ten school again , my well reasoned, closing thought is this:

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Wilkie01 · 05-15-2014 06:47 AM

Notre Dame will soon announce full membership in the ACC, including football. he writing is on the wall! 07-coffee3

TerryD · 05-15-2014 06:51 AM

(05-15-2014 06:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: Notre Dame will soon announce full membership in the ACC, including football. he writing is on the wall!

Status quo, Wilkie. Status quo. ND did not resign with NBC through 2025 to join the ACC any time soon in football.

Right now, ND likes its set up perfectly. Best of both worlds.

Unless conference only champs becomes the playoff requirement, ND is not going to give up it current football status.

Why do so?

XLance · 05-15-2014 07:05 AM

(05-14-2014 10:15 PM)domer1978 Wrote: Go look at the history and come back to me with the usually lose stuff. MIchigan has been our Achilles hill lately but that series isn't lopsided

Didn't you mean to say Achilles HEEL?

TerryD · 05-15-2014 07:18 AM

(05-14-2014 11:19 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:
(05-14-2014 06:32 PM)goofus Wrote: translation - neither team wants to give up their precious 7th home game and would rather play 2 cupcakes a year instead of each other.

I am really starting to hate the 7th home game in college football. Its the root of many scheduling issues. If everyone would go to 6 home games, then everyone could play each other.

This.

If we had a competent sanctioning body everyone would have to have a balanced schedule. The egregious seven and eight home game BS must end.

ND still only plays six games a year at home in South Bend.

ND's "seventh home game" is the Shamrock Series game.

It is not played at "home". ND likes the idea of importing the ND home game experience all over the country. (Fed Ex, Alamodome, Cowboys Stadium, Yankee Stadium, Soldier Field, etc..).

No, ND is not going to give up that "neutral site home game" in NFL type venues in areas it wishes more exposure to play at Purdue, sorry.

indianasniff · 05-15-2014 07:36 AM

(05-14-2014 10:08 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote: Now they can take a page out of the tOSU's playbook and schedule some exciting matchups against other P5 schools. The loss of ND hurts tradition a little, but let's be honest... most of the time you all lost anyway.

Miami Oh..Central Fla...Cal...UAB all at home in 2012
Buffalo Sandiego Ste Cal and Florida AM in 2013 three at home
Kent....Navy....Cincy Va Tech 2014
Hawaii Northern Illinois Western Michigan 2015

OSU has had 7 and even 8 home games a year for years. Mostly against cupcakes.... Buckeye fans are so delusional....Some implies more than 1

krup · 05-15-2014 07:38 AM

(05-15-2014 06:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:
(05-15-2014 06:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: Notre Dame will soon announce full membership in the ACC, including football. he writing is on the wall!

Status quo, Wilkie. Status quo. ND did not resign with NBC through 2025 to join the ACC any time soon in football.

Right now, ND likes its set up perfectly. Best of both worlds.

Unless conference only champs becomes the playoff requirement, ND is not going to give up it current football status.

Why do so?

It is kind of amusing to read ACC fans that think Notre Dame's partial membership is somehow a path to full membership. ND got exactly what they needed (scheduling certainty, access to "less than BCS" bowls and a good home for their non-football sports) and there is nothing to be gained by full membership.

The playoff is never going to get to "conference champs only" when people feel the 2nd and 3rd best SEC team is better than many other P5 conference champs. Going to a playoff of 8 will remove that as a possibility forever.

jaminandjachin · 05-15-2014 08:11 AM

(05-15-2014 07:38 AM)krup Wrote:
(05-15-2014 06:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:
(05-15-2014 06:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: Notre Dame will soon announce full membership in the ACC, including football. he writing is on the wall!

Status quo, Wilkie. Status quo. ND did not resign with NBC through 2025 to join the ACC any time soon in football.

Right now, ND likes its set up perfectly. Best of both worlds.

Unless conference only champs becomes the playoff requirement, ND is not going to give up it current football status.

Why do so?
It is kind of amusing to read ACC fans that think Notre Dame's partial membership is somehow a path to full membership. ND got exactly what they needed (scheduling certainty, access to "less than BCS" bowls and a good home for their non-football sports) and there is nothing to be gained by full membership.

The playoff is never going to get to "conference champs only" when people feel the 2nd and 3rd best SEC team is better than many other P5 conference champs. Going to a playoff of 8 will remove that as a possibility forever.

It's not amusing. It's a calculated risk. The ACC set this up in the past by inviting Boston College and Pitt...teams that Notre Dame already played. If the scheduling nightmare continues the way it's going, independents may finally give up and join a conference. I'm interested to see how ND fills their schedule out after 2017 (I believe Mich State drops off after this). The B1G is going to 9 conference games and may not want to schedule ND. Of course we're talking about years away from now, but it's not that far fetched if you sit back and think about it.

domer1978 · 05-15-2014 08:29 AM

(05-15-2014 07:05 AM)XLance Wrote:
(05-14-2014 10:15 PM)domer1978 Wrote: Go look at the history and come back to me with the usually lose stuff. MIchigan has been our Achilles hill lately but that series isn't lopsided

Didn't you mean to say Achilles HEEL?

Yes, using my phone and picked the wrong one. Kind like Achilles Hill though.

fsugrad99 · 05-15-2014 08:37 AM

(05-15-2014 06:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:
(05-15-2014 06:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: Notre Dame will soon announce full membership in the ACC, including football. he writing is on the wall!

Status quo, Wilkie. Status quo. ND did not resign with NBC through 2025 to join the ACC any time soon in football.

Right now, ND likes its set up perfectly. Best of both worlds.

Unless conference only champs becomes the playoff requirement, ND is not going to give up it current football status.

Why do so?

Gonna steal ND's dog, hold a gun to it and send a ransom note with a picture captioned "Join the ACC of the dog gets it."

domer1978 · 05-15-2014 08:39 AM

(05-15-2014 08:37 AM)fsugrad99 Wrote:
(05-15-2014 06:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:
(05-15-2014 06:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: Notre Dame will soon announce full membership in the ACC, including football. he writing is on the wall!

Status quo, Wilkie. Status quo. ND did not resign with NBC through 2025 to join the ACC any time soon in football.

Right now, ND likes its set up perfectly. Best of both worlds.

Unless conference only champs becomes the playoff requirement, ND is not going to give up it current football status.

Why do so?

Gonna steal ND's dog, hold a gun to it and send a ransom note with a picture captioned "Join the ACC of the dog gets it."

Maize · 05-15-2014 09:07 AM

(05-15-2014 08:39 AM)domer1978 Wrote:
(05-15-2014 08:37 AM)fsugrad99 Wrote:
(05-15-2014 06:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:
(05-15-2014 06:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: Notre Dame will soon announce full membership in the ACC, including football. he writing is on the wall!

Status quo, Wilkie. Status quo. ND did not resign with NBC through 2025 to join the ACC any time soon in football.

Right now, ND likes its set up perfectly. Best of both worlds.

Unless conference only champs becomes the playoff requirement, ND is not going to give up it current football status.

Why do so?

Gonna steal ND's dog, hold a gun to it and send a ransom note with a picture captioned "Join the ACC of the dog gets it."

Funny....but really with the schedule agreement with the ACC and Non CFP Bowl Tie-Ins including ND Separate Deal with the Orange Bowl...the NBC TV Deal...And upcoming games with BYU, Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona State and the Traditional Games with Stanford, Southern Cal and Navy...along with Access to the Playoffs...the Irish are pretty much set with the Status Quo... 07-coffee3

domer1978 · 05-15-2014 09:13 AM

(05-15-2014 09:07 AM)Maize Wrote:
(05-15-2014 08:39 AM)domer1978 Wrote:
(05-15-2014 08:37 AM)fsugrad99 Wrote:
(05-15-2014 06:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:
(05-15-2014 06:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: Notre Dame will soon announce full membership in the ACC, including football. he writing is on the wall!

Status quo, Wilkie. Status quo. ND did not resign with NBC through 2025 to join the ACC any time soon in football.

Right now, ND likes its set up perfectly. Best of both worlds.

Unless conference only champs becomes the playoff requirement, ND is not going to give up it current football status.

Why do so?

Gonna steal ND's dog, hold a gun to it and send a ransom note with a picture captioned "Join the ACC of the dog gets it."

Funny....but really with the schedule agreement with the ACC and Non CFP Bowl Tie-Ins including ND Separate Deal with the Orange Bowl...the NBC TV Deal...And upcoming games with BYU, Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona State and the Traditional Games with Stanford, Southern Cal and Navy...along with Access to the Playoffs...the Irish are pretty much set with the Status Quo...

Yeah,we're good...

Wilkie01 · 05-15-2014 09:13 AM

University of Notre Dame Football Schedules

2014
Aug. 30 RICE (cup cake)
Sept. 6 MICHIGAN (night)
Sept. 13 * Purdue at Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Ind. (night)
Sept. 27 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 4 STANFORD
Oct. 11 NORTH CAROLINA
Oct. 18 at Florida State
Nov. 1 vs. Navy (FedEx Field, Landover, Md.)
Nov. 8 at Arizona State
Nov. 15 NORTHWESTERN
Nov. 22 LOUISVILLE
Nov. 29 at USC

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule AZ State, Sanford, USC and Navy.

2015
Sept. 5 TEXAS
Sept. 12 at Virginia
Sept. 19 GEORGIA TECH
Sept. 26 MASSACHUSETTS (cup cake)
Oct. 3 at Clemson
Oct. 10 NAVY (cup cake)
Oct. 17 USC
Oct. 31 at Temple (Lincoln Financial Services Field) (cup cake)
Nov. 7 at Pittsburgh
Nov. 14 WAKE FOREST
Nov. 21 * Boston College at Fenway Park, Boston, Mass. (night)
Nov. 28 at Stanford

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Navy, USC, and Stanford.

2016
Sept. 3 at Texas
Sept. 10 NEVADA (cup cake)
Sept. 17 MICHIGAN STATE
Sept. 24 DUKE
Oct. 1 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 8 at North Carolina State
Oct. 15 STANFORD
Oct. 29 MIAMI
Nov. 5 vs. Navy (site TBD) (cup cake)
Nov. 12 * Army at Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas (night) (cup cake)
Nov. 19 VIRGINIA TECH
Nov. 26 at USC
* Shamrock Series game

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Stanford, USC and Army.

I fail to see why playing 8 ACC games would hurt Notre Dame, other than a damaged fan ego! In regards to the Navy and Army issue rotate them every other year. 07-coffee3

Maize · 05-15-2014 09:19 AM

(05-15-2014 09:13 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: University of Notre Dame Football Schedules

2014
Aug. 30 RICE (cup cake)
Sept. 6 MICHIGAN (night)
Sept. 13 * Purdue at Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Ind. (night)
Sept. 27 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 4 STANFORD
Oct. 11 NORTH CAROLINA
Oct. 18 at Florida State
Nov. 1 vs. Navy (FedEx Field, Landover, Md.)
Nov. 8 at Arizona State
Nov. 15 NORTHWESTERN
Nov. 22 LOUISVILLE
Nov. 29 at USC

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule AZ State, Sanford, USC and Navy.

2015
Sept. 5 TEXAS
Sept. 12 at Virginia
Sept. 19 GEORGIA TECH
Sept. 26 MASSACHUSETTS (cup cake)
Oct. 3 at Clemson
Oct. 10 NAVY (cup cake)
Oct. 17 USC
Oct. 31 at Temple (Lincoln Financial Services Field) (cup cake)
Nov. 7 at Pittsburgh
Nov. 14 WAKE FOREST
Nov. 21 * Boston College at Fenway Park, Boston, Mass. (night)
Nov. 28 at Stanford

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Navy, USC, and Stanford.

2016
Sept. 3 at Texas
Sept. 10 NEVADA (cup cake)
Sept. 17 MICHIGAN STATE
Sept. 24 DUKE
Oct. 1 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 8 at North Carolina State
Oct. 15 STANFORD
Oct. 29 MIAMI
Nov. 5 vs. Navy (site TBD) (cup cake)
Nov. 12 * Army at Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas (night) (cup cake)
Nov. 19 VIRGINIA TECH
Nov. 26 at USC
* Shamrock Series game

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Stanford, USC and Army.

I fail to see why playing 8 ACC games would hurt Notre Dame, other than a damaged fan ego! In regards to the Navy and Army issue rotate them every other year.

They would lose so much $$$ from Alums it not even funny....What makes them unique is the fact they are Indy...that is Their Brand.

Plus, they already have their Separate Deals locked in with NBC...They will not give that up and really as long as the Playoffs are not Conference Champions Only-(and they have an Ally in that regard with the SEC) and with the Deal they have with the ACC in regards to Non CFP Bowl Access along with their Separate Orange Bowl deal they are sitting pretty...

domer1978 · 05-15-2014 09:19 AM

(05-15-2014 09:13 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: University of Notre Dame Football Schedules

2014
Aug. 30 RICE (cup cake)
Sept. 6 MICHIGAN (night)
Sept. 13 * Purdue at Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Ind. (night)
Sept. 27 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 4 STANFORD
Oct. 11 NORTH CAROLINA
Oct. 18 at Florida State
Nov. 1 vs. Navy (FedEx Field, Landover, Md.)
Nov. 8 at Arizona State
Nov. 15 NORTHWESTERN
Nov. 22 LOUISVILLE
Nov. 29 at USC

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule AZ State, Sanford, USC and Navy.

2015
Sept. 5 TEXAS
Sept. 12 at Virginia
Sept. 19 GEORGIA TECH
Sept. 26 MASSACHUSETTS (cup cake)
Oct. 3 at Clemson
Oct. 10 NAVY (cup cake)
Oct. 17 USC
Oct. 31 at Temple (Lincoln Financial Services Field) (cup cake)
Nov. 7 at Pittsburgh
Nov. 14 WAKE FOREST
Nov. 21 * Boston College at Fenway Park, Boston, Mass. (night)
Nov. 28 at Stanford

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Navy, USC, and Stanford.

2016
Sept. 3 at Texas
Sept. 10 NEVADA (cup cake)
Sept. 17 MICHIGAN STATE
Sept. 24 DUKE
Oct. 1 at Syracuse (MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 8 at North Carolina State
Oct. 15 STANFORD
Oct. 29 MIAMI
Nov. 5 vs. Navy (site TBD) (cup cake)
Nov. 12 * Army at Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas (night) (cup cake)
Nov. 19 VIRGINIA TECH
Nov. 26 at USC
* Shamrock Series game

Notre Dame plays 8 ACC games and can still schedule Texas, Stanford, USC and Army.

I fail to see why playing 8 ACC games would hurt Notre Dame, other than a damaged fan ego! In regards to the Navy and Army issue rotate them every other year.

Navy will never come off the schedule unless they choose to come off. We owe them for bailing us during WW2.

SeaBlue · 05-15-2014 09:57 AM

(05-15-2014 09:19 AM)domer1978 Wrote: Navy will never come off the schedule unless they choose to come off. We own them for bailing us during WW2.

Could not have said it better 03-wink

Other reasons: they get really good, drop a division, or want to <gasp> play at their place more than once a decade. 05-stirthepot

XLance · 05-15-2014 10:04 AM

(05-15-2014 08:29 AM)domer1978 Wrote:
(05-15-2014 07:05 AM)XLance Wrote:
(05-14-2014 10:15 PM)domer1978 Wrote: Go look at the history and come back to me with the usually lose stuff. MIchigan has been our Achilles hill lately but that series isn't lopsided

Didn't you mean to say Achilles HEEL?

Yes, using my phone and picked the wrong one. Kind like Achilles Hill though.

I hope you noticed the irony.

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