(05-18-2014 09:39 PM)LR Eagle Wrote:  

(05-18-2014 03:14 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 02:24 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 02:17 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I honestly feel bad for them if they can't get an invite to the SBU. They are in a bad situation though. A10 is an upper level hoops league primarily on the east coast. UMass is an aspiring hoops program with some historical success and there is no question the A10 is by far the best option for them for non FB sports. However, football needs a home and it looks like FBS conferences are going to force them to go all in if they want to play FB. Tough stuff. None of the G5 outside of the AAC and MWC are even remotely prominent in hoops. I really do want to have another public state flagship FBS program in New England. Hope they get it figured out.

I don't feel bad for them. They need to get some cash together to build a real football stadium, at which point the AAC would probably be listening. UMass can still go indy or back to FCS, but if they want to be in the AAC then they need to stop playing it cheap.

I have a question:

I thought that there was a NCAA rule if you drop Football down, all sports must follow?

FCS schools are still DI. FBS/FCS only exists in football.

fcs schools are still d1-aa, some fbs schools are still d1-aa

you can call a horse a duck, but...its still a horse

(05-16-2014 07:00 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  I've never heard of Grambling.

(05-16-2014 07:29 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:00 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  I've never heard of Grambling.

Me neither.

For time being Mass could surive as independent
Army & Navy would sign contracts with them
Bos Coll, Conn & BYU would play them in Foxboro
MAC schools need 1&1 deals, Mass has BB for leverage
Alabama & KSU will play them
doesn,t Mass-NH sell out in Foxboro
MD & Rutgers will need a win

(05-19-2014 06:52 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  For time being Mass could surive as independent
Army & Navy would sign contracts with them
Bos Coll, Conn & BYU would play them in Foxboro
MAC schools need 1&1 deals, Mass has BB for leverage
Alabama & KSU will play them
doesn,t Mass-NH sell out in Foxboro
MD & Rutgers will need a win

Except they will never be on tv. They wont have a bowl. Come conference time they will struggle to fill their schedule. Indy isn't viable for most programs, Mass included. They would die as an indy

(05-18-2014 10:04 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:45 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:29 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:00 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  I've never heard of Grambling.

Me neither.

You guys must be kind of young not to at least have heard of Grambling.

Grambling's coach Eddie Robinson was one of the longest tenured and all times wins leader in college football's history. Joe Paterno eventually broke Robinson's record.

Grambling has had over 100 players play in the NFL, including James Harris of the L.A. Rams, who was amongst the NFL's first black quarterbacks; Doug Williams of the Tampa Bay Bucanners and Washington Redskins, who was was the first black quarterback to be on a Superbowl winner and then there are all time NFL greats like Charlier Joiner, Willie Davis and Willie Brown, Sammy White,etc.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/sc...amblingst/

Yes, I don't understand how even a young sports fan couldn't have heard of Grambling just through the history of the game.

I was wondering this myself? I thought they were just being smart asses. Their football team really sucks now, but the half-time show is MUST SEE TV. Even today.

(05-18-2014 10:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-18-2014 09:39 PM)LR Eagle Wrote:  

(05-18-2014 03:14 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 02:24 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 02:17 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I honestly feel bad for them if they can't get an invite to the SBU. They are in a bad situation though. A10 is an upper level hoops league primarily on the east coast. UMass is an aspiring hoops program with some historical success and there is no question the A10 is by far the best option for them for non FB sports. However, football needs a home and it looks like FBS conferences are going to force them to go all in if they want to play FB. Tough stuff. None of the G5 outside of the AAC and MWC are even remotely prominent in hoops. I really do want to have another public state flagship FBS program in New England. Hope they get it figured out.

I don't feel bad for them. They need to get some cash together to build a real football stadium, at which point the AAC would probably be listening. UMass can still go indy or back to FCS, but if they want to be in the AAC then they need to stop playing it cheap.

I have a question:

I thought that there was a NCAA rule if you drop Football down, all sports must follow?

FCS schools are still DI. FBS/FCS only exists in football.

fcs schools are still d1-aa, some fbs schools are still d1-aa

you can call a horse a duck, but...its still a horse

By definition a FBS school is FBS, you can't be both. Outside of football, FCS teams compete in the DI championships for every other sport.

Correct. All are division 1. Football just has separate divisions within the division, and of course the majority of Division 1 schools do not play football at all.

(05-18-2014 10:04 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:45 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:29 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:00 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  I've never heard of Grambling.

Me neither.

You guys must be kind of young not to at least have heard of Grambling.

Grambling's coach Eddie Robinson was one of the longest tenured and all times wins leader in college football's history. Joe Paterno eventually broke Robinson's record.

Grambling has had over 100 players play in the NFL, including James Harris of the L.A. Rams, who was amongst the NFL's first black quarterbacks; Doug Williams of the Tampa Bay Bucanners and Washington Redskins, who was was the first black quarterback to be on a Superbowl winner and then there are all time NFL greats like Charlier Joiner, Willie Davis and Willie Brown, Sammy White,etc.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/sc...amblingst/

Yes, I don't understand how even a young sports fan couldn't have heard of Grambling just through the history of the game.

* Let me rephrase... I have heard of Grambling; I'm just not all that familiar with anything about it other than it being a HBCU - meaning it also more than likely has a great marching band. The question was what schools come to mind when someone says Louisiana. Grambling didn't pop up on my radar as far as schools in Louisiana because I had no idea where it was located other than somewhere in the South.

In talking about the history of the game...Here's a question for some fans from the South. Without doing a Google search, do you know what the most played and longest uninterrupted rivalry in college football is? In which state(s) are those 2 schools located?

(05-19-2014 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-18-2014 10:04 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:45 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:29 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:00 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  I've never heard of Grambling.

Me neither.

You guys must be kind of young not to at least have heard of Grambling.

Grambling's coach Eddie Robinson was one of the longest tenured and all times wins leader in college football's history. Joe Paterno eventually broke Robinson's record.

Grambling has had over 100 players play in the NFL, including James Harris of the L.A. Rams, who was amongst the NFL's first black quarterbacks; Doug Williams of the Tampa Bay Bucanners and Washington Redskins, who was was the first black quarterback to be on a Superbowl winner and then there are all time NFL greats like Charlier Joiner, Willie Davis and Willie Brown, Sammy White,etc.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/sc...amblingst/

Yes, I don't understand how even a young sports fan couldn't have heard of Grambling just through the history of the game.

* Let me rephrase... I have heard of Grambling; I'm just not all that familiar with anything about it other than it being a HBCU - meaning it also more than likely has a great marching band. The question was what schools come to mind when someone says Louisiana. Grambling didn't pop up on my radar as far as schools in Louisiana because I had no idea where it was located other than somewhere in the South.

In talking about the history of the game...Here's a question for some fans from the South. Without doing a Google search, do you know what the most played and longest uninterrupted rivalry in college football is? In which state(s) are those 2 schools located?

Lehigh and LaFayette

WVU and Pitt when going on was up there as well

(05-19-2014 10:30 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-18-2014 10:04 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:45 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:29 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Me neither.

You guys must be kind of young not to at least have heard of Grambling.

Grambling's coach Eddie Robinson was one of the longest tenured and all times wins leader in college football's history. Joe Paterno eventually broke Robinson's record.

Grambling has had over 100 players play in the NFL, including James Harris of the L.A. Rams, who was amongst the NFL's first black quarterbacks; Doug Williams of the Tampa Bay Bucanners and Washington Redskins, who was was the first black quarterback to be on a Superbowl winner and then there are all time NFL greats like Charlier Joiner, Willie Davis and Willie Brown, Sammy White,etc.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/sc...amblingst/

Yes, I don't understand how even a young sports fan couldn't have heard of Grambling just through the history of the game.

* Let me rephrase... I have heard of Grambling; I'm just not all that familiar with anything about it other than it being a HBCU - meaning it also more than likely has a great marching band. The question was what schools come to mind when someone says Louisiana. Grambling didn't pop up on my radar as far as schools in Louisiana because I had no idea where it was located other than somewhere in the South.

In talking about the history of the game...Here's a question for some fans from the South. Without doing a Google search, do you know what the most played and longest uninterrupted rivalry in college football is? In which state(s) are those 2 schools located?

Lehigh and LaFayette

WVU and Pitt when going on was up there as well

I don't consider you a real southerner. Haha. It is Lafayette though without a capital F though. Not many people know that part of football history...just sayin...

Go Lehigh! Luck Fafayette!!!

(05-17-2014 12:25 AM)Policiious Wrote:  UMass's endowment is pretty significant, they have alums with $. They just don't seem to spend it on football, at least not yet but that can change. Their Ice Hockey program is pretty good too. Not that that would interest most conferences.

UMass does not have a significant endowment! Where do people get these myths? Is it because New England and "flagship" just automatically equal money in people's minds? UMass endowment is tiny at $230m, which would rank behind 9 current AAC institutions, and is only a quarter of what Tulane, SMU, and Cincy clock in at.

By the way, UConn's is only $312m, so if there is a New England+flagship myth out there about wealthy schools, it doesn't apply there either.

The reality is that the term flagship means so little in the context of New England and New York because the northeastern states have typically not funded or prioritized their public universities in the ways that other states have over the decades, due mostly to the number of really good private schools in the area going back centuries. Even today, there isn't even the political will in these states (particularly Massachusetts) to invest in the state university system the way that states in the midwest, south, and west have prioritized the state schools as engines of economic growth.

Which is why it makes sense that most of the posters drooling over UMass' "flagship!" status are not from the northeast, but from the South and West.

(05-19-2014 06:52 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  For time being Mass could surive as independent
Army & Navy would sign contracts with them
Bos Coll, Conn & BYU would play them in Foxboro
MAC schools need 1&1 deals, Mass has BB for leverage
Alabama & KSU will play them
doesn,t Mass-NH sell out in Foxboro
MD & Rutgers will need a win

If you think Gillette only holds 24k

(05-19-2014 04:10 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 12:25 AM)Policiious Wrote:  UMass's endowment is pretty significant, they have alums with $. They just don't seem to spend it on football, at least not yet but that can change. Their Ice Hockey program is pretty good too. Not that that would interest most conferences.

UMass does not have a significant endowment! Where do people get these myths? Is it because New England and "flagship" just automatically equal money in people's minds? UMass endowment is tiny at $230m, which would rank behind 9 current AAC institutions, and is only a quarter of what Tulane, SMU, and Cincy clock in at.

By the way, UConn's is only $312m, so if there is a New England+flagship myth out there about wealthy schools, it doesn't apply there either.

The reality is that the term flagship means so little in the context of New England and New York because the northeastern states have typically not funded or prioritized their public universities in the ways that other states have over the decades, due mostly to the number of really good private schools in the area going back centuries. Even today, there isn't even the political will in these states (particularly Massachusetts) to invest in the state university system the way that states in the midwest, south, and west have prioritized the state schools as engines of economic growth.

Which is why it makes sense that most of the posters drooling over UMass' "flagship!" status are not from the northeast, but from the South and West.

In UCONN's endowment case, they got into the game late, similar to college football. Given the direction that President Herbst is taking the university, I expect that number to take a substantial hike these next few decades. Connecticut also receives the most support and backing of any flagship in New England. Some people don't realize that one's endowment has nothing to do with athletic budgets or facilities. If UCONN really needs something, the state is more than willing to get the funds in order for the undertaking. That commitment is a big reason why UCONN is where it is today.

(05-19-2014 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  * Let me rephrase... I have heard of Grambling; I'm just not all that familiar with anything about it other than it being a HBCU - meaning it also more than likely has a great marching band.

Even that is showing a lack of historical knowledge. That was the point.

(05-19-2014 04:10 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  Even today, there isn't even the political will in these states (particularly Massachusetts) to invest in the state university system the way that states in the midwest, south, and west have prioritized the state schools as engines of economic growth.

Which is why it makes sense that most of the posters drooling over UMass' "flagship!" status are not from the northeast, but from the South and West.

QFT. I never lived in the Northeast, but I did live in the mid-atlantic region which has a lot of transplants. I sort of got the view that one big difference between the NE and to a lesser extent even the mid-atlantic region, and the south and Midwest is there, Private schools are for not just the rich, but the middle class too, and it's almost like some consider public schools to be for the poor (not really true, just seems that way). in the South and Midwest, private schools are most for the rich and well off. Thus those used to paying to go to school all thru secondary education, often look for private schools when they go to college (or go out of state, as the price is the same).

After a while, it sort of filters down to what you are getting at. When you have large private schools in your state that are among the best in the world, and a plethora of smaller privates in a similar class, and with out of state colleges being as close to you as in-state colleges are in other states (if you live in NYC, it is the same distance to go to Maryland as it is for a Dallas resident to go to Austin for school), it sometimes becomes less of a priority.

(05-20-2014 08:27 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  * Let me rephrase... I have heard of Grambling; I'm just not all that familiar with anything about it other than it being a HBCU - meaning it also more than likely has a great marching band.

Even that is showing a lack of historical knowledge. That was the point.

(05-19-2014 04:10 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  Even today, there isn't even the political will in these states (particularly Massachusetts) to invest in the state university system the way that states in the midwest, south, and west have prioritized the state schools as engines of economic growth.

Which is why it makes sense that most of the posters drooling over UMass' "flagship!" status are not from the northeast, but from the South and West.

QFT. I never lived in the Northeast, but I did live in the mid-atlantic region which has a lot of transplants. I sort of got the view that one big difference between the NE and to a lesser extent even the mid-atlantic region, and the south and Midwest is there, Private schools are for not just the rich, but the middle class too, and it's almost like some consider public schools to be for the poor (not really true, just seems that way). in the South and Midwest, private schools are most for the rich and well off. Thus those used to paying to go to school all thru secondary education, often look for private schools when they go to college (or go out of state, as the price is the same).

After a while, it sort of filters down to what you are getting at. When you have large private schools in your state that are among the best in the world, and a plethora of smaller privates in a similar class, and with out of state colleges being as close to you as in-state colleges are in other states (if you live in NYC, it is the same distance to go to Maryland as it is for a Dallas resident to go to Austin for school), it sometimes becomes less of a priority.

And that's fine. I never claimed to be an expert in college football history. I also grew up in an area where pro sports and college basketball take precedence. My historical sports knowledge is much more prevalent in those subjects.

(05-17-2014 09:31 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

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(05-14-2014 03:14 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

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(05-14-2014 02:58 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  But you don't understand, they have no potential until they offer some solution to their FBall situation, none. Until then, they are going no where. They break ground on a 35k expandable OCS, then we can talk. Until then why can't people just stop. They currently play about 2 hrs from campus and have an OCS WITH NO BATHROOMS!!!!!!

Yup. There is a lot to work on before an invite is considered. Luckily I think they can really build up their football program/facilities as a result of playing in a predominantly Southern football conference, where football is king. It's gonna take some time though.

I guess, but the Sun Belt is an absolute mess. No one outside of the given programs care or can even name the Sun Belt schools. I mean CUSA is a bad the Sun Belt is next level awful. The stands at Gillette will be comical.

They have a $600mm endowment in one of the richest stats, just either get the OCS done or go back to FCS. I don;t know how playing in the Sun Belt is really going to build anything.

You do have a point
Ask any person to name Louisiana colleges there answer will be: 1. LSU 2. Is a toss up ULL or Louisiana tech. Not poor little Tulane. To clarify that a CUSA and a Belt team in front of you Tulane.

Most people also know of the success at Arkansas state.

Outside of those 2 the sun belt is a joke!

Sure dude. ULL is coming on but let's get real here. There is a reason the aac picked tulane over ULL and LA tech.

Please explain your theory if you don't mind.