(09-19-2014 03:16 PM)dawgitall Wrote: That has certainly got to be addressed. I have previously mentioned the brand new medical school (2nd year now) and nursing school (1st year) at my local private university, and the expanded nursing and medical services program at my local community college in the past. I also posted information about residencies for those med students at a number of small rural hospitals rather than one urban hospital location on campus.
Medical Students aren't the problem. Physicians are. You can't become a physician without a residency, and O-Care doesn't fund any new residency slots. This is a red herring because the FASTEST growing markets for people with MDs are bio-tech and pharma, not patient care. All of these supplements you see advertised these days are developed and endorsed by "DR" somebody... and I can all but assure you that "DR" somebody didn't go through residency.
(09-19-2014 04:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Screw Mr. Gloom and Doom. He's just pissed because he might have to wait an extra day or two so many more folks can get some access to health care that they've never really been able to get before. And Mr. Money Bags can't spare the dime either.
At least some of you are finally being honest about what O-care is, and that is a re-allocation of existing resources, nothing more. It is with honesty that these discussions can move forward. You call it gloom and doom, when it is really only honesty vs. lies. Everyone has been told that this means MORE healthcare... but the truth is, as we have argued and as Tom now admits that it isn't.
I've said all along, it's fine if you want to believe that reallocating resources is what we should be doing. I disagree, but that's a valid position. What's NOT valid is to piss in someone's boots and tell them it is raining... and that is what Obamacare has done... and why I've gotten all over every single one of these threads touting the number of people signing up.
(09-22-2014 09:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: The difference is that I'm willing to wait and see if it's going to be a problem that we can live with before I throw the baby out with the bath water. You (and Boner) have already resigned yourself to there being no chance it will work.
That's not really true, Tom. Of COURSE it will eventually work to one degree or another, just as the previous system 'worked'. It's merely a question of how long it takes for us to get there, how much petty arguing must take place to get there, and how much more this thing will cost than it needed to if politicians (in THIS case, liberal politicians) had just been honest with the people about what it was they were doing.
You have admitted that despite what we have been told, Obamacare was NEVER intended to deliver more or better healthcare. It was only intended to redistribute existing healthcare. It will take more legislation, more arguments and more money to deliver what Obamacare promised.
My guess is that although it will cost them more, the wealthy will take care of themselves.. siphoning off the best doctors and care. Care for the poor will improve because the 'baseline' will be designed to take care of their needs. The middle and upper middle class will once again bear the brunt of things like this and the wealth gap will continue to expand... not terribly different from the way this works in retirement plans.
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Confirmed: Many of Obamacare's 'Eight Million Enrollments' are Duplicates
