I think its only a matter of time before UNLV, Boise, New Mexico, and Air Force are in the AAC.

I want SDSU

(05-10-2014 09:46 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  I think its only a matter of time before UNLV, Boise, New Mexico, and Air Force are in the AAC.

boise burned us, i doubt we'd even remotely consider them, they have to return to being a top 10 un-passable team for us to take them, and i don't see that (the rest aren't "inevitble" but a possibility)

but i honestly feel SDSU is an inevitability they orchestrated the move to the AAC and never wanted to leave but had no choice, and left on great terms. then 2 months ago they added some womens teams into the AAC

the very moment they can get a travel partner worth a damn to jump, theyll be in our league

(05-10-2014 03:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 01:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

Wha???

The University of Colorado is THE flagship university of the State of Colorado. And the University of Idaho...not Idaho State and not Boise State... is the flagship institution of the State of Idaho.

You shouldn't confuse the results of the football program with being a "flagship" school. A flagship school gets the first pick of the state funds and carries the state esteem. CSU will never be the flagship school in Colorado any more than Marshall will ever supplant WVU in West Virginia.

Sorry Jerry, You are incorrect. The state of Idaho last year voted to remove Idaho as the state flagship and their is no "official" flagship in Idaho. Look at Wikipedia to see that Colorado St is the land grant flagship of Colorado. "Colorado State University (also referred to as Colorado State and CSU) is a public research university located in Fort Collins, in the U.S. state of Colorado. The university is the state's land grant university, and the flagship university of the Colorado State University System"

land grant doesnt mean flagship..as a matter of fact numerous states have multiple and some arent even their states top university

thats like saying A&M is the flagship of texas...that is clearly false
or Washington state is the flagship of Washington..false, clemson for south carolina? false, oregon state for oregon? false...okstate for oklahoma? false .. i could easily go on

flagship isnt even a formal legitimate title, that can be "voted out". what happened with University of idaho is that they voted that they cant promote their school as the "flagship", which they felt U idaho was overdoing and felt it was hurting and devaluing the other public institutions (some powerful boise alumni probably had something to do with that). no state has a official "flagship"

flagship university has different meanings in different contexts. some it means first public university created, some view it as the land-grant like you want to, some say its who gets the most public funding. but it is mostly used in the athletic world and means the top state university, and in the athletic definition in reference to CSU they arent that

Excellent post....pesik

It is presidents of the schools in a conference that vote on adding. I do not think presidents of schools like UCONN, SMU, and Tulane will vote to add a community college, Boise.

(05-10-2014 09:05 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  It seems like a lot of posters on the AAC board think that only schools from the AAC and MWC will ultimately choose/be able to keep pace with the new P5 autonomy. Which MWC schools do you think that includes?

(05-10-2014 09:51 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I want SDSU

Trust me, we want to be in the AAC... need to find a couple of Western partners and make it an all sports league.

Get us out of the MWC please!

(05-11-2014 12:15 AM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 09:51 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I want SDSU

Trust me, we want to be in the AAC... need to find a couple of Western partners and make it an all sports league.

Get us out of the MWC please!

I'll take some of the blame for turning this into an "expansion thread" and if I upset anyone, I apologize.

We would be better off -and the MWC teams would be better off- if we expanded by 4-6 teams and negotiated as one unit. At this time, I would vote for SDSU, Fresno State, Boise State, UNLV, AFA and Colorado State.

Air Force could be Olympic-only, just like Navy. We could move Houston and/or Tulsa West, along with SMU; the possibility of having only one or even no crossover games is enticing and could help with travel costs, according to what the "new rules" would allow.

why would SDST or other MWC schools want to hook up with AAC
right now money is the same
AAC is more likely to lose schools to P-5
when there is movement in AAC
MWC would be able to move into Tex [SMU, Hous, UTEP & Memphis]

(05-11-2014 09:38 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  why would SDST or other MWC schools want to hook up with AAC
right now money is the same
AAC is more likely to lose schools to P-5
when there is movement in AAC
MWC would be able to move into Tex [SMU, Hous, UTEP & Memphis]

SMU has already swore they arent doing the MWC, they had a horrible experience with the WAC and dont want a western league

i extremely doubt memphis would even entertain it,
we'd have to lose 5+ before the MWC could even tempt us (and that isn't happening)

and you realize after boise left and it was all but obvious SDSU had to leave, sdsu AD still flew to every AAC AD meeting and you could tell they didnt want to leave.and 2 months ago they added 2 womens teams to the aac. sdsu specifically want to play in an eastern league and get eastern exposure .

the MWC is just as unstable as the AAC, they were a year ago from total collapse if we had accepted boises uneven deal, they would have stayed and we would have taken unlv and fresno with us.

but the MWC has uneven revenue sharing, most teams are in the middle of nowhere and more than half have less than 25k attendance (only 4 well attended teams including sdsu), and the mediocre to bad teams dont get that much tv time. in a 12 team league only 4 of ours dont get 25k (and i believe tulane will surpass that with the new oncampus stadium), everyone is on tv. it will be dramatically easier to grow as a brand in our league, in the east coast.

the MWC isnt that far behind us as is (mostly because of boise) but they have no upward mobility. and honestly could be going down if boise cant carry them anymore. what reason will they be better in 5-10 years? most of our teams are already better than most of theirs on most measurable aspects (fans, recruit ranking, ratings, league average final ranking, academics, market etc.) but are about to be given dramatically more exposure than theyve probably ever had. aswell as all our programs are willing to invest. in 5-10 years the AAC could be a an extremely good league borderline p5. the mwc is set up for individual teams to rise (a decent team will run through the league get all the tv time,getting those tv bonuses and if they get the access they get 50% of it) but now the lower end has less tv money, less tv time . we are set up so everyone rises, everyone grows a fanbase, everyone brand grows, everyones recruiting improves, and enough revenue for everyone to invest.

(05-10-2014 01:19 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I voted for all of the MWC schools but 3. San Jose St, Utah St and Nevada. I'm basing this on those 3 having smaller athletic budgets than the rest, smaller stadiums and arenas than the rest, and smaller attendance in sports across the board than the rest. (Utah St does do well with basketball attendance, but nothing like NM, SDSU, UNLV etc.) Question: Is Nevada the state flagship school for Nevada? For example, Idaho doesn't have a flagship school anymore, and Colorado St is the state flagship in Colorado, not Colorado. New Mexico, Wyoming and Hawaii are designated as the official state flagships for their respective states, so I suppose it would be very odd if they decided to "not keep pace"

u. colorado is the flagship not colorado state

and flagship alone is meaningless. its what you are flagshipping that matters.

being a flagship to a state with 500k-2mil (wyoming, idaho, hawaii, new mexico) isn't exactly the same as the flagship of a state with 7mill (mass)..especially when the population is spread over a large land mass and in the middle of nowhere. im a fan of umass because their are 20mil people within a 3hour drive to umass and the state is extremely populated and has money

Yeah, I don't see much hope for SJSU.....Nevada is next, but they would survive if they keep decent teams going.....same with Utah State....could be Nevada and Utah State are saved by a combo of winning and by the MW conference itself helping with revenues if MW as a whole grows steadily in power.

Wyoming's flagship status is backed by natural gas.....the peeps of Wyo may be conservative and not like wasteful government spending, but they would not let their only (virtual) pro team in the state fall.

ABQ peeps won't let Lobos fall....nor will Hawaiians.

Nevada might have to worry, since the state of NV is really eastern California and us Californian's are like Miami Heat fans....very fickle and bandwagonish.

As long as our athl dept keeps hiring excellent coaches in the two money making sports - DeRuyter (football), Rodney Terry (mens bkball) - I have no doubt the millions in the Fresno area will support with their wallets. It's 3 hrs to LA or the Bay Area and most Central Valley'rs don't have the money to buy pro game tickets anyway - at least not on a regular basis - so Fresno Area is it's own defacto state, really, and we love love love dem bulldogs.

Now the topic's title is tricky....I don't think all but maybe less than 10 G5's (& 10 is a stretch) even have a chance to make it to the P5 level, but if you mean "keep up" as in, "hang in there forever with a lot less", then that's how i'll take this topic to mean.