Wilkie01 post makes the most since for the college landscape IMO. However, out of all the schools listed It's very hard to see the PAC 12 adding some of the obvious choices and even the SEC adding 2. If you get to that 5 of 16, some schools that are in P5 conferences are going to have to move around. Getting to 80 will require some ego to be swallowed and that is hard. I see 75 as the PAC and B12 schools will have issues being in a conference with some schools. USC, Stanford USC and Fresno State just does not mix IMO.

4 spots open...fight for it... :)

PAC - 14 (?, ?)
B10 - 16 (UCONN, ?)
B12 - 14 (USF, UCF, BYU, ?)
SEC - 16 (Takes FSU and maybe GT)
ACC - 15 (Cincy and Memphis)

*Playing pin the tail no the donkey. Take no offense on my list as you can see I don't have UH plugged in anywhere yet*

(05-07-2014 01:08 PM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  PAC - 14 (?, ?)
B10 - 16 (UCONN, ?)
B12 - 14 (USF, UCF, BYU, ?)
SEC - 16 (Takes FSU and maybe GT)
ACC - 15 (Cincy and Memphis)

It would depend on the order this went down. If FSU leaves the ACC, they replace them with UCF and/or USF, I doubt they'd leave Miami as their only FL presence.
If it starts with Texas/Oklahoma going to the PAC, that changes all the dynamics too.

The PAC have already indicated that if need be they'd look at SDSU and Boise: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-s...ncaaf.html If there were some mandate to go to 16, I think if UNLV can get that shiny new stadium they'd get a look too and then probably one more Cali team, Fresno? To keep the Cali presence balanced.

The B1G looked at Vandy, Kansas, and Oklahoma IIRC, but I my guess is that Kansas and UConn would be their targets. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...oma-others

(05-07-2014 01:31 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  The PAC have already indicated that if need be they'd look at SDSU and Boise: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-s...ncaaf.html

Boise State will not be in the same conference as Stanford.

(05-07-2014 01:08 PM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  Wilkie01 post makes the most since for the college landscape IMO. However, out of all the schools listed It's very hard to see the PAC 12 adding some of the obvious choices and even the SEC adding 2. If you get to that 5 of 16, some schools that are in P5 conferences are going to have to move around. Getting to 80 will require some ego to be swallowed and that is hard. I see 75 as the PAC and B12 schools will have issues being in a conference with some schools. USC, Stanford USC and Fresno State just does not mix IMO.

4 spots open...fight for it... :)

PAC - 14 (?, ?)
B10 - 16 (UCONN, ?)
B12 - 14 (USF, UCF, BYU, ?)
SEC - 16 (Takes FSU and maybe GT)
ACC - 15 (Cincy and Memphis)

*Playing pin the tail no the donkey. Take no offense on my list as you can see I don't have UH plugged in anywhere yet*

I think there would also have to be movement between the P5 conferences.

The B1G may also feel the need to go to 16 for the sheer reason of needing new content for the BTN.

Also, the nascent B1G Hockey League only has 6 members, I they can pick up another school in the east, that has elite basketball, promising football and a hockey program that is playing in Hockey East then they will go a long ways towards achieving that.

(05-07-2014 01:34 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 01:31 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  The PAC have already indicated that if need be they'd look at SDSU and Boise: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-s...ncaaf.html

Boise State will not be in the same conference as Stanford.

^^^
YUP!

And UC-Berkley and UCLA will likewise block San Diego State on academic grounds.

For the umpteenth time... DIFFERENT CONFERENCES HAVE DIFFERENT QUALITIES THEY ARE LOOKING FOR!

The PAC will NEVER:
-allow a sectarian institution (ie. Baylor, BYU, or SMU) into their conference.
-take an institution of dubious or low academic value (BSU, SDSU) into their conference.

IF the PAC were going to expand, I'd imagine that they'd be looking first at the large, State Flagship schools (ie. Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Nevada, even Colorado State). Then, in the second level (ie. they'd take them if they "had" to or if they needed the membership) they're probably looking/thinking about Texas Tech, New Mexico, UNLV (that would be a hard swallow...).

The academic issue has more flex in it than the sectarian issue. IF an institution like UNLV could demonstrate that they are improving and present a plan for academic investment, THEN...the Pac probably would be ready to look at it.

And before someone says "Nevada! They don't draw more than 30k to their games!" REMEMBER! Different conferences have DIFFERENT qualities they are looking for. The PAC has been able to live with Washington State, who played most of their history in a 35k stadium. The "numbers" in attendance are nowhere NEAR as important for the PAC. In fact, I'd say that the North-South balance is more important than the actual attendance issue for the Pac. So, if it came down to it, and the PAC needed a last member, yes...I'd believe that the PAC would add Nevada...IF it met their needs.

(05-07-2014 01:47 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 01:34 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 01:31 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  The PAC have already indicated that if need be they'd look at SDSU and Boise: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-s...ncaaf.html

Boise State will not be in the same conference as Stanford.

^^^
YUP!

And UC-Berkley and UCLA will likewise block San Diego State on academic grounds.

For the umpteenth time... DIFFERENT CONFERENCES HAVE DIFFERENT QUALITIES THEY ARE LOOKING FOR!

The PAC will NEVER:
-allow a sectarian institution (ie. Baylor, BYU, or SMU) into their conference.
-take an institution of dubious or low academic value (BSU, SDSU) into their conference.

IF the PAC were going to expand, I'd imagine that they'd be looking first at the large, State Flagship schools (ie. Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Nevada, even Colorado State). Then, in the second level (ie. they'd take them if they "had" to or if they needed the membership) they're probably looking/thinking about Texas Tech, New Mexico, UNLV (that would be a hard swallow...).

The academic issue has more flex in it than the sectarian issue. IF an institution like UNLV could demonstrate that they are improving and present a plan for academic investment, THEN...the Pac probably would be ready to look at it.

And before someone says "Nevada! They don't draw more than 30k to their games!" REMEMBER! Different conferences have DIFFERENT qualities they are looking for. The PAC has been able to live with Washington State, who played most of their history in a 35k stadium. The "numbers" in attendance are nowhere NEAR as important for the PAC. In fact, I'd say that the North-South balance is more important than the actual attendance issue for the Pac. So, if it came down to it, and the PAC needed a last member, yes...I'd believe that the PAC would add Nevada...IF it met their needs.

I'm not sure either of you bothered to follow the link. In it Larry Scott, the commish of the PAC 12 said SDSU and Boise were candidates.

And regarding the B1G, if this Illinois senator gets his wish, SIU will be joining the Big10 http://napervillesun.suntimes.com/news/s...14:article

Go Salukis!!

(05-07-2014 01:47 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 01:34 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 01:31 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  The PAC have already indicated that if need be they'd look at SDSU and Boise: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-s...ncaaf.html

Boise State will not be in the same conference as Stanford.

^^^
YUP!

And UC-Berkley and UCLA will likewise block San Diego State on academic grounds.

For the umpteenth time... DIFFERENT CONFERENCES HAVE DIFFERENT QUALITIES THEY ARE LOOKING FOR!

The PAC will NEVER:
-allow a sectarian institution (ie. Baylor, BYU, or SMU) into their conference.
-take an institution of dubious or low academic value (BSU, SDSU) into their conference.

IF the PAC were going to expand, I'd imagine that they'd be looking first at the large, State Flagship schools (ie. Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Nevada, even Colorado State). Then, in the second level (ie. they'd take them if they "had" to or if they needed the membership) they're probably looking/thinking about Texas Tech, New Mexico, UNLV (that would be a hard swallow...).

The academic issue has more flex in it than the sectarian issue. IF an institution like UNLV could demonstrate that they are improving and present a plan for academic investment, THEN...the Pac probably would be ready to look at it.

And before someone says "Nevada! They don't draw more than 30k to their games!" REMEMBER! Different conferences have DIFFERENT qualities they are looking for. The PAC has been able to live with Washington State, who played most of their history in a 35k stadium. The "numbers" in attendance are nowhere NEAR as important for the PAC. In fact, I'd say that the North-South balance is more important than the actual attendance issue for the Pac. So, if it came down to it, and the PAC needed a last member, yes...I'd believe that the PAC would add Nevada...IF it met their needs.

Nevada also doesn't generate jack for revenue.

(05-07-2014 01:40 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 01:08 PM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  Wilkie01 post makes the most since for the college landscape IMO. However, out of all the schools listed It's very hard to see the PAC 12 adding some of the obvious choices and even the SEC adding 2. If you get to that 5 of 16, some schools that are in P5 conferences are going to have to move around. Getting to 80 will require some ego to be swallowed and that is hard. I see 75 as the PAC and B12 schools will have issues being in a conference with some schools. USC, Stanford USC and Fresno State just does not mix IMO.

4 spots open...fight for it... :)

PAC - 14 (?, ?)
B10 - 16 (UCONN, ?)
B12 - 14 (USF, UCF, BYU, ?)
SEC - 16 (Takes FSU and maybe GT)
ACC - 15 (Cincy and Memphis)

*Playing pin the tail no the donkey. Take no offense on my list as you can see I don't have UH plugged in anywhere yet*

I think there would also have to be movement between the P5 conferences.

This will happen only if the conferences are working together and I do not think they are.

(05-07-2014 12:23 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 12:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 11:39 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 11:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Actually look for five (5) 16 team conferences or 80 teams.

Pac 12 will add 4.
Big 12 will add 6
SEC will add 2
Big 10 will add 2
ACC will add 1 and Notre Dame will start playing full time football.

This means 15 teams will move up. My guess is:

1. Connecticut
2. Cincinnati
3. East Carolina
4. Central Florida
5. South Florida
6. Houston
7. SMU
8. Memphis
9. BYU
10. Boise State
11. Fresno State
12. San Diego State
13. Nevada
14. Utah State
15. Colorado State

If this were to happen, I'd hope Tulsa would just drop football all together. No reason to compete if it's not at the highest level...

First, if your school is in the G5, you already aren't competing at the highest level. You've been relegated to a lesser domain.

Second, so you think the FCS schools as well as Division II and III schools should all drop football? I think that would be a shame and don't understand why.

Finally, the highest level of football is the NFL and nobody in college competes there.

Nice job of taking what I said and completely turning it around.

It would be demoralizing for a fan base to go from competing at a higher level to a lower level... regardless of fbs, fcs, d2 or d3.

I think you know I was talking about college football, not NFL.

Trust me, as a USF fan, I am experiencing that demoralization right now. But it doesn't make me want us to drop football. That would be cutting off the nose to spite the face.

PAC-12
+Texas
+Texas Tech
+Oklahoma
+Kansas State

SEC
+Oklahoma State*
+NC State OR East Carolina (Depends if NC State sticks with ACC)
SEC offers same deal to Okie State and NC State as it did Texas A&M leave your big brother behind and make a name for yourself. NC State is so stuck with UNC/Duke basketball may not leave. If not SEC goes for East Carolina.

ACC
+Cincinnati
+Notre Dame (full sports)
*If NC State goes to SEC
+UCF OR South Florida

BIG
+UConn
+Kansas

Big 12
-Texas
-Texas Tech
-Oklahoma
-Oklahoma State
-Kansas
-Kansas State
(Down to WVU, BAY, TCU, ISU)
+Houston
+SMU
+New Mexico
+Colorado State
+Tulsa
+Tulane
+Rice
+South Florida
+BYU
+Memphis
+Charlotte OR Old Dominion
+UCF OR East Carolina**
**Depends on NC State

PAC 12
Adds Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas to Market

SEC
Adds Oklahoma and North Carolina Market

ACC
Adds Ohio Market to add a land bridge from Indiana to Pennsylvania to Kentucky

BIG
Adds an AAU school and a potential AAU school in Kansas and UConn. Gives BIG a Kansas market and makes Midwest schools happy in Iowa and Nebraska. Also gives the BIG the Connecticut/New England and more of the NYC market.

Big 12
Back feels with what teams are left over. Adds teams that fit the old Big 12 landscape + more East Coast teams for West Virginia travel partners in Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee teams.

(05-07-2014 02:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 12:23 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 12:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 11:39 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 11:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Actually look for five (5) 16 team conferences or 80 teams.

Pac 12 will add 4.
Big 12 will add 6
SEC will add 2
Big 10 will add 2
ACC will add 1 and Notre Dame will start playing full time football.

This means 15 teams will move up. My guess is:

1. Connecticut
2. Cincinnati
3. East Carolina
4. Central Florida
5. South Florida
6. Houston
7. SMU
8. Memphis
9. BYU
10. Boise State
11. Fresno State
12. San Diego State
13. Nevada
14. Utah State
15. Colorado State

If this were to happen, I'd hope Tulsa would just drop football all together. No reason to compete if it's not at the highest level...

First, if your school is in the G5, you already aren't competing at the highest level. You've been relegated to a lesser domain.

Second, so you think the FCS schools as well as Division II and III schools should all drop football? I think that would be a shame and don't understand why.

Finally, the highest level of football is the NFL and nobody in college competes there.

Nice job of taking what I said and completely turning it around.

It would be demoralizing for a fan base to go from competing at a higher level to a lower level... regardless of fbs, fcs, d2 or d3.

I think you know I was talking about college football, not NFL.

Trust me, as a USF fan, I am experiencing that demoralization right now. But it doesn't make me want us to drop football. That would be cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Those remaining would need to also reform under a new governing body and revamp their rules.

Right now NCAA rules are heavily influenced by P5 to protect the status quo pecking order. We would have to open up recruiting, transfer rules, pooled TV, and any other rule that might be preventing G5 schools from advancing.

(05-07-2014 12:58 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 12:23 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 12:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 11:39 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 11:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Actually look for five (5) 16 team conferences or 80 teams.

Pac 12 will add 4.
Big 12 will add 6
SEC will add 2
Big 10 will add 2
ACC will add 1 and Notre Dame will start playing full time football.

This means 15 teams will move up. My guess is:

1. Connecticut
2. Cincinnati
3. East Carolina
4. Central Florida
5. South Florida
6. Houston
7. SMU
8. Memphis
9. BYU
10. Boise State
11. Fresno State
12. San Diego State
13. Nevada
14. Utah State
15. Colorado State

If this were to happen, I'd hope Tulsa would just drop football all together. No reason to compete if it's not at the highest level...

First, if your school is in the G5, you already aren't competing at the highest level. You've been relegated to a lesser domain.

Second, so you think the FCS schools as well as Division II and III schools should all drop football? I think that would be a shame and don't understand why.

Finally, the highest level of football is the NFL and nobody in college competes there.

Nice job of taking what I said and completely turning it around.

It would be demoralizing for a fan base to go from competing at a higher level to a lower level... regardless of fbs, fcs, d2 or d3.

I think you know I was talking about college football, not NFL.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Best to just ignore that guy. Might as well be rationalizing with a stop sign.

I'm pretty sure UCF just 'competed at the highest level'. This time we ARE talking about on the field performance, not ancillary items like TV $$. And we can thank good old Mr. Aresco for that reserve slot for the G5 leader.

(05-07-2014 11:59 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 11:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Actually look for five (5) 16 team conferences or 80 teams.

Pac 12 will add 4.
Big 12 will add 6
SEC will add 2
Big 10 will add 2
ACC will add 1 and Notre Dame will start playing full time football.

This means 15 teams will move up. My guess is:

1. Connecticut
2. Cincinnati
3. East Carolina
4. Central Florida
5. South Florida
6. Houston
7. SMU
8. Memphis
9. BYU
10. Boise State
11. Fresno State
12. San Diego State
13. Nevada
14. Utah State
15. Colorado State

Makes sense.

This is one of those things that makes a TON of sense, and fixes many problems... except that the powers that be never get in the same room and work it out this way. That's exactly why we have realignment nonsense like the last few years, that results in WV in the B12, Boise flirting with the Big East, the B12 sticking at 10 simply to hoard an overpayment. Yada yada yada...

I'd love something like this, but they are stacking the deck to tear P5 conferences down, not promote more mouths to feed above the line...

Don't you wish you could just fast forward about a decade and see what happens?

Go to 18 (Assuming ECU to SEC, NCSU stays in ACC)

ACC
+South Florida
+UCF
+Memphis
IF NEED
Temple

SEC
+West Virginia
+Virginia Tech
IF NEED
Baylor OR TCU OR SMU OR Houston OR Tulane

BIG
+Missouri OR Iowa State
+Syracuse OR Buffalo

PAC
+New Mexico
+Nevada OR UNLV

I used Nevada instead of UNLV, because UNLV is always in trouble for some form of cheating most of the time.

i have an interesting solution to defeat the P5. obviously, this is all tongue in cheek.

G5 complete break away from NCAA and P5. make our own division with our OWN rules. invite all the SMU boosters back into the sunshine and give them the green light to go to town on recruits. turn the G5 into a pseudo professional league.....dont just pay for full cost attendance.....add sex, booze, cars to the mix. buy the kid's families houses...... and while they are at it..... put them up in sweet penthouses while attending. have vegas and bahamas junkets during the off season. give them debit cards to eat in the finest restaurants.

all this would be financed by boosters. you gotta pay to play. all this would be condoned by the league.

now, with this scenario......... little old AAC will start attracting 5 star recruits left and right. in as little as 2 years........ if there was a P5 vs G5 game....... little old tulane will crush the ohio states, oklahomas, etc.

with a bold move like that....... you will put some media networks out of business.......except of course ESPN...... because you can bet our media deal will be in the billions next cycle if this took off.

ethical.....no. but what is ethical anymore when it comes to college football. time to take numbers

(05-07-2014 11:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Actually look for five (5) 16 team conferences or 80 teams.

Pac 12 will add 4.
Big 12 will add 6
SEC will add 2
Big 10 will add 2
ACC will add 1 and Notre Dame will start playing full time football.

This means 15 teams will move up. My guess is:

1. Connecticut
2. Cincinnati
3. East Carolina
4. Central Florida
5. South Florida
6. Houston
7. SMU
8. Memphis
9. BYU
10. Boise State
11. Fresno State
12. San Diego State
13. Nevada
14. Utah State
15. Colorado State

The only way I see all 15 teams moving up is as followed:

Big 12
-Kansas
UCF
USF
Memphis
BYU
SMU
Boise State
Colorado State

SEC
East Carolina
Houston

PAC
Fresno State
San Diego State
Nevada
Utah State

BIG TEN
UConn
Kansas

ACC
Cincinnati

(05-07-2014 10:45 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/...2ly6sf8QdM

Delany’s Big Ten moved on well from the Irish setback. Nebraska. Yawn, but a good move for BTN. Maryland and Rutgers. Really? Why? Television.

This is where the college athetics world is going. To head off a players’ union, the schools are insisting athlete-students they are not employees. But concessions are already being made, and college sports will move on just as sure as baseball moved on when it lost the reserve clause.

Stay tuned. Delany’s next move will be adding the 15th and 16th schools to the Big Ten. This will be needed to pay for increased labor costs that will stem from players organizing in one form or another.

Four 16-team leagues. And good luck if you’re not among those 64.

Be careful what you wish for..These greedy pigs about to drive this bus
To players unions...Next step will be Antitrust Case...Then IRS will be rolling in to hitch their wagon...Looking like Standard Oil..these self proclaimed geniuses gonna f up our sport..