(05-04-2014 08:16 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  I totally agree about the "cartoon hillbilly". I wish they would get rid of it as a secondary image.
For those that do not know what we mean, this was readopted after we dropped it back in the 1970's or so.
A bald headed, pipe smoking half face Yosef, that college kids are expected to adopt.



If we are going to use something like that would rather it be more than 1/2 face with at least a snarl, like this if we have to:

The following is what the first picture replaced:

Old School Yosef is classic. The interesting thing is a ton of the young alumni and students love it. I hope it never goes away. I think a lot of the "hate" for him is rooted in some type of embarrassment that outsiders will think we're hillbilly's. I'm inclined to embrace the heritage of the mountains rather than hide from it. I liken it to the folks in Louisiana who don't hide from the Cajun heritage. The Gorton's Fisherman (a name I first coined on the old MMB) is the worst looking thing I've ever seen. Believe it or not the middle Yosef is my creation. My old roommate at App owns Mountaineer Mania and we didn't like the Aus Ben Manufacturing Yosef (the one with the long skinny nose) adopted in 1980. He asked me to come up with something with the characteristics of the 70's Yosef but different enough to stay away from any school interference. At that time I worked with a young lady who was a artist and she gave me three variations of that one. The other two looked too much like Bluto from Popeye.

By the way my vote is for Gaw Juh Suthern. I love how they have remained true to the original classic, traditional look.

(05-05-2014 11:15 AM)Korr-upt Wrote:  I don't like the Cartoon Yosef. I agree, it looks a little silly to have it on the uniforms because of how silly we looks running around with cartoon characters.

You mean like the Duke Blue Devil, Southern Cal Trojan, Florida Gator, FSU Seminole.... Good grief man every mascot logo out there IS a cartoon character. I've yet to see where a photo of a eagle, dog, lion, or whatever the case may be is used as a mascot or stuck on the side of a helmet. Time to find another argument because that one ain't gettin it done.

I liked our previous aways, too. The current away - all whites - are nice but I have yet to get into the home maroons.

From 2010:

clean, classic and not busy

(05-05-2014 06:56 PM)CatMom Wrote:  I liked our previous aways, too. The current away - all whites - are nice but I have yet to get into the home maroons.

From 2010:

clean, classic and not busy

I have to admit TSU's unis are in the top three best looking in the SBC.

Louisiana to unveil new Uni's on Wednsday. Or at least the new Adidas contract. Hopefully we do not get cookie cutter uniforms. I have been told that we will be getting top tier, custom threads but I highly doubt that is true.

(05-05-2014 02:11 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:21 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:11 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:50 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 11:08 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You can't win at nearly the same clip in FBS as you did FCS and you won't win a FBS championship.

Whoops.

Well there is an easy claim.
Almost no team has ever won at the clip that we did in the FCS.
And - first of all the guy said Conference Championships (Is this not an FBS conference making the SBC Title an FBS "Championship"? - "And another thing" - You don't know that we wont win an FBS National Championship. IF/WHEN the FBS playoffs are expanded - that will open up the door for some G5 conference member to take a valid shot it. So - consider that the Belt was claimed the best G5 - consider that we COULD challenge for the SBC Title soon - THIS COULD put us in that expanded playoff. Sure, winning it is another story - BUT once you hit the playoffs - it is also a new season.

We hit that (earn that spot) - any an Belt member doing it helps us all - our recruiting starts to get better etc. We know what it is like to build a program. Nobody is saying we win the National Championship in 3 years. But a Belt Championship within 3 years? That is very possible.

And we don't need no fancy uniforms to do it.

If you guys win a single FBS playoff game in the next thirty years, I'll buy a season ticket the next season.

Stated just like a guy who has been alive as long as his prediction.

Winning a playoff game is largely dependent upon the playoff being expanded and getting in.

So.... I'd be interested to know your guess as to the expansion of it.
When? How many teams? Max number it would include in the next 30 years etc.

I know you think we aren't going to win much in the FBS (Which would make me sad if I were a MTSU fan because we will certainly win more than your program over the next 30 years as we always have). - But incase we do, the # to call is 1-800-GSU-WINS to purchase your Season Ticket.

No stipulations on the playoff expansion. There's no guarantee that G5 ever gets access for one thing and if we ever do, it will almost definitely always result in a first round match up against the #1 or #2 team in the country. I feel very good about my prediction based purely on the series of statistical improbabilities that would all have to take place.

First the playoff likely needs to expand to 8 for any G5 to have a shot at getting in at all and even then it's probably not even guaranteed, it would likely be only one G5 getting in every couple of years, the playoff would have to expand to 16 for autobids for conference champions to even be discussed and even then I'm not convinced autobids would definitely happen. After factoring all that in, if Georgia Southern got into the playoff at all, you'd more than likely be on the road at the SEC or Big Ten champion for the first round. So my prediction has very little to do with Georgia Southern or any difficulties specific to your program,nor does it have anything to do with the fact that I'm "only 30", but rather just being able to look at the big picture and see the odds just aren't in your(or any individual G5 school) favor. There may not be a single FBS playoff win by any G5 program in the next 30 years.

Now I'd also like to point out that nowhere, at any point, have I said "I don't expect you guys to win very much in the FBS" about the closest you'd find is me saying you aren't going to top UNT's dominance of the early to mid 2000's or Troy's of the mid to late 2000's. I expect you guys will have success at the FBS level, but I also expect there's a very good chance you'll experience as many losing seasons in the next decade as you have previously in your life(unless you're in your 70's).

I also have never said we'd be better than you, you very well may win more than we do, but we haven't played one another in damn near two decades(that was 6 coaches ago for you and 2 coaches ago for us) and haven't even played in the same classification in a decade and a half, so I'm not sure I'd count "we always have" as definitive proof you're going to win more than we are.

I never said it had anything to do with challenges specific to Southern either. - So we are in agreement there. In fact - we basically said the same thing. Cant win one if you don't get in! And that goes for all of us (G5) - and any G5 getting in, helps us all - especially if you share a conference (Which I know WE wont be doing)

As far as me being 70 - It wouldn't matter or change the stats since our football program had been dormant - We didn't have one - For 40 years prior to 1982.

I don't expect to have ANY losing seasons. We might this year with the transition. We have had two losing seasons since the resurrection of Football at Georgia Southern. BOTH came after a HC change - So History may be working against us for this season.

I realize the challenges we face - but good recruiting, good location, good fans and SMART scheduling may work out for us.
Nobody expects to match the winning percentages we had in FCS. We realize that while our recruiting will improve, that we will be facing tougher competition.

You said we wouldn't win any FBS Championships - I say you are wrong. A playoff game? Well - statistics in todays system and set up make that damn near impossible. Obviously - something has to change before any of us are really going to get a chance to do that.

BUT - Since you felt the need to volunteer your opinion on how we much and what we will win or not win - I felt the need to provide my opinion of MTSU's future. (And a little History that you probably wouldn't have known being such a young "whippersnapper" )

FACT is that none of us know what the future is going to hold. I hold onto the HOPE that they expand the FBS playoffs to at least 8 and ultimately 16. I'm a bit older than you yes - and I've seen a lot of change. I've seen the FCS playoffs start with 4 and expand to 16. Which was ideal - then expand too far!

FBS changed to the BCS (Roy Kramer's formula for locking out non BCS conference programs from access to the NC under the claim of guaranteeing #1/#2). Now - finally a budge in the right direction. A playoff that is at this point little more than a "plus one" system. But hey - You've got to start somewhere.

The future is un-written. The past seems to predict further expansion of the playoffs. History also suggest that Southern will likely get it handed to us this year due to changing our system as much or perhaps more than due to the FBS move. History also suggest that Southern will rise to the challenge and surpass all expectations and time lines that most predict on winning. Time will tell.

Son of a! That didn't work out. Dang.. sorry don't have time to fix it now.

(05-06-2014 11:06 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  I never said it had anything to do with challenges specific to Southern either. - So we are in agreement there. In fact - we basically said the same thing. Cant win one if you don't get in! And that goes for all of us (G5) - and any G5 getting in, helps us all - especially if you share a conference (Which I know WE wont be doing)

As far as me being 70 - It wouldn't matter or change the stats since our football program had been dormant - We didn't have one - For 40 years prior to 1982.

I don't expect to have ANY losing seasons. We might this year with the transition. We have had two losing seasons since the resurrection of Football at Georgia Southern. BOTH came after a HC change - So History may be working against us for this season.

I realize the challenges we face - but good recruiting, good location, good fans and SMART scheduling may work out for us.
Nobody expects to match the winning percentages we had in FCS. We realize that while our recruiting will improve, that we will be facing tougher competition.

You said we wouldn't win any FBS Championships - I say you are wrong. A playoff game? Well - statistics in todays system and set up make that damn near impossible. Obviously - something has to change before any of us are really going to get a chance to do that.

BUT - Since you felt the need to volunteer your opinion on how we much and what we will win or not win - I felt the need to provide my opinion of MTSU's future. (And a little History that you probably wouldn't have known being such a young "whippersnapper" )

FACT is that none of us know what the future is going to hold. I hold onto the HOPE that they expand the FBS playoffs to at least 8 and ultimately 16. I'm a bit older than you yes - and I've seen a lot of change. I've seen the FCS playoffs start with 4 and expand to 16. Which was ideal - then expand too far!

FBS changed to the BCS (Roy Kramer's formula for locking out non BCS conference programs from access to the NC under the claim of guaranteeing #1/#2). Now - finally a budge in the right direction. A playoff that is at this point little more than a "plus one" system. But hey - You've got to start somewhere.

The future is un-written. The past seems to predict further expansion of the playoffs. History also suggest that Southern will likely get it handed to us this year due to changing our system as much or perhaps more than due to the FBS move. History also suggest that Southern will rise to the challenge and surpass all expectations and time lines that most predict on winning. Time will tell.

When I said FBS championships, I meant national championships, c'mon man, of course you'll win conference championships. You'll probably win more than some longstanding members have.

Now let me educate you on your own history, you've had three(not two) losing seasons since your football program was resurrected:

1996: 4-7
2006: 3-8
2009: 5-6

And if you were in your seventies(not 70 as you put it) it would make a difference, as in the last 79 years you've had eleven losing seasons(every year from 34-41 was a losing season).

You may believe I just blindly throw stuff against the wall that I think sounds good, but 95% of the time my words are measured very carefully and backed up my empirical data.


Now back to the two main points of the debate...

I'm sure you don't expect any losing seasons and it's possible, Boise is on a run of 16 straight and Southern Miss had their streak snapped at 18 a couple years ago, so it's certainly possible you could go on a run like that, but I'd call it unlikely.

The most consecutive FBS winning seasons by any Sun Belt member is five(Troy 2006-2010) and no member has played ten consecutiveseasons in the Sun Belt that didn't include at least three losing seasons, Louisiana will have the opportunity to become the first with a winning season this year, they would have only had two losing seasons over the last ten(though it would include three 6-6 seasons).

It's these factors in addition to the fact that you're in transition that I say there's a very good chance you experience as many losing seasons(3) over the next ten as you have previously in your life(unless you're in your seventies). And three losing seasons in ten years is not bad, but the Georgia Southern faithful are totally unprepared for it.


Now regarding the playoff, I think eight teams eventually is a forgone conclusion(though I think we may see 6 with byes for 1&2 first) and I think 16 is absolutely possible, but may be a ways off, if ever. I think if it could get to 12 that might finally get one(maybe even 2) G5 spot(s) built in, but again getting in will be tough and being one of the bottom seeds will make it even tougher to get more than a participant t shirt...

(05-06-2014 11:41 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Son of a! That didn't work out. Dang.. sorry don't have time to fix it now.

BVG actually changed the facemask from gray to navy blue. He also changed the helmet to a navy blue metallic....which looked awesome and really "popped" under the lights. The helmet was the best decision he made while in Statesboro (other than leaving).

I love the blue/blue look....but the white/blue look is even better. I have yet to see us win a game in the blue pants, but I've seen us lose plenty in white pants to not blame the color of our uniform.

(05-06-2014 12:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 11:06 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  I never said it had anything to do with challenges specific to Southern either. - So we are in agreement there. In fact - we basically said the same thing. Cant win one if you don't get in! And that goes for all of us (G5) - and any G5 getting in, helps us all - especially if you share a conference (Which I know WE wont be doing)

As far as me being 70 - It wouldn't matter or change the stats since our football program had been dormant - We didn't have one - For 40 years prior to 1982.

I don't expect to have ANY losing seasons. We might this year with the transition. We have had two losing seasons since the resurrection of Football at Georgia Southern. BOTH came after a HC change - So History may be working against us for this season.

I realize the challenges we face - but good recruiting, good location, good fans and SMART scheduling may work out for us.
Nobody expects to match the winning percentages we had in FCS. We realize that while our recruiting will improve, that we will be facing tougher competition.

You said we wouldn't win any FBS Championships - I say you are wrong. A playoff game? Well - statistics in todays system and set up make that damn near impossible. Obviously - something has to change before any of us are really going to get a chance to do that.

BUT - Since you felt the need to volunteer your opinion on how we much and what we will win or not win - I felt the need to provide my opinion of MTSU's future. (And a little History that you probably wouldn't have known being such a young "whippersnapper" )

FACT is that none of us know what the future is going to hold. I hold onto the HOPE that they expand the FBS playoffs to at least 8 and ultimately 16. I'm a bit older than you yes - and I've seen a lot of change. I've seen the FCS playoffs start with 4 and expand to 16. Which was ideal - then expand too far!

FBS changed to the BCS (Roy Kramer's formula for locking out non BCS conference programs from access to the NC under the claim of guaranteeing #1/#2). Now - finally a budge in the right direction. A playoff that is at this point little more than a "plus one" system. But hey - You've got to start somewhere.

The future is un-written. The past seems to predict further expansion of the playoffs. History also suggest that Southern will likely get it handed to us this year due to changing our system as much or perhaps more than due to the FBS move. History also suggest that Southern will rise to the challenge and surpass all expectations and time lines that most predict on winning. Time will tell.

When I said FBS championships, I meant national championships, c'mon man, of course you'll win conference championships. You'll probably win more than some longstanding members have.

Now let me educate you on your own history, you've had three(not two) losing seasons since your football program was resurrected:

1996: 4-7
2006: 3-8
2009: 5-6

And if you were in your seventies(not 70 as you put it) it would make a difference, as in the last 79 years you've had eleven losing seasons(every year from 34-41 was a losing season).

You may believe I just blindly throw stuff against the wall that I think sounds good, but 95% of the time my words are measured very carefully and backed up my empirical data.


Now back to the two main points of the debate...

I'm sure you don't expect any losing seasons and it's possible, Boise is on a run of 16 straight and Southern Miss had their streak snapped at 18 a couple years ago, so it's certainly possible you could go on a run like that, but I'd call it unlikely.

The most consecutive FBS winning seasons by any Sun Belt member is five(Troy 2006-2010) and no member has played ten consecutiveseasons in the Sun Belt that didn't include at least three losing seasons, Louisiana will have the opportunity to become the first with a winning season this year, they would have only had two losing seasons over the last ten(though it would include three 6-6 seasons).

It's these factors in addition to the fact that you're in transition that I say there's a very good chance you experience as many losing seasons(3) over the next ten as you have previously in your life(unless you're in your seventies). And three losing seasons in ten years is not bad, but the Georgia Southern faithful are totally unprepared for it.


Now regarding the playoff, I think eight teams eventually is a forgone conclusion(though I think we may see 6 with byes for 1&2 first) and I think 16 is absolutely possible, but may be a ways off, if ever. I think if it could get to 12 that might finally get one(maybe even 2) G5 spot(s) built in, but again getting in will be tough and being one of the bottom seeds will make it even tougher to get more than a participant t shirt...

My God you seem to have a huge hard on for us!!!???? Whats with that and what does it have to do with what SUN BELT fans think of uniforms? Are you a college football analyst or is there some other reason that you think people should care what you think about the future playoff process?

(05-06-2014 11:41 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Son of a! That didn't work out. Dang.. sorry don't have time to fix it now.

(05-05-2014 05:31 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-04-2014 08:16 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  I totally agree about the "cartoon hillbilly". I wish they would get rid of it as a secondary image.
For those that do not know what we mean, this was readopted after we dropped it back in the 1970's or so.
A bald headed, pipe smoking half face Yosef, that college kids are expected to adopt.



If we are going to use something like that would rather it be more than 1/2 face with at least a snarl, like this if we have to:

The following is what the first picture replaced:

Old School Yosef is classic. The interesting thing is a ton of the young alumni and students love it. I hope it never goes away. I think a lot of the "hate" for him is rooted in some type of embarrassment that outsiders will think we're hillbilly's. I'm inclined to embrace the heritage of the mountains rather than hide from it. I liken it to the folks in Louisiana who don't hide from the Cajun heritage. The Gorton's Fisherman (a name I first coined on the old MMB) is the worst looking thing I've ever seen. Believe it or not the middle Yosef is my creation. My old roommate at App owns Mountaineer Mania and we didn't like the Aus Ben Manufacturing Yosef (the one with the long skinny nose) adopted in 1980. He asked me to come up with something with the characteristics of the 70's Yosef but different enough to stay away from any school interference. At that time I worked with a young lady who was a artist and she gave me three variations of that one. The other two looked too much like Bluto from Popeye.

By the way my vote is for Gaw Juh Suthern. I love how they have remained true to the original classic, traditional look.

I'm with DG! I support Victory Yosef!

(05-06-2014 12:28 PM)Wonmoretime Wrote:  My God you seem to have a huge hard on for us!!!????

Based on what? That I know how to use a simple website to pull data from regarding any team?

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div.../index.php

(05-06-2014 12:28 PM)Wonmoretime Wrote:  and what does it have to do with what SUN BELT fans think of uniforms?

I was on topic, these were my first two posts in the thread:

(05-04-2014 08:48 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I really like Idaho's throwback helmet.

(05-04-2014 09:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I don't dislike Southern's uniform, it's definitely a part of their identity and don't see it changing outside of an unprecedented period of struggling and a new young coach coming in and changing everything. I'm not predicting it will happen, just saying that's the only way I see it happening.

The uniforms do nothing for me, but I get it.

Now this is my favorite, but this is what you get when you interject without reading the full thread.

(05-06-2014 12:28 PM)Wonmoretime Wrote:  Are you a college football analyst or is there some other reason that you think people should care what you think about the future playoff process?

Don't know where I would have gotten that idea...

(05-06-2014 11:06 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Winning a playoff game is largely dependent upon the playoff being expanded and getting in.

So.... I'd be interested to know your guess as to the expansion of it.
When? How many teams? Max number it would include in the next 30 years etc.

Hey 4th...I went ahead and deleted your post with all the broken links. It had extended the Web Page so far that it was hard to navigate.

All the SBC unis are solid except the Adidas ones.

(05-06-2014 12:19 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 11:41 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Son of a! That didn't work out. Dang.. sorry don't have time to fix it now.

BVG actually changed the facemask from gray to navy blue. He also changed the helmet to a navy blue metallic....which looked awesome and really "popped" under the lights. The helmet was the best decision he made while in Statesboro (other than leaving).

I love the blue/blue look....but the white/blue look is even better. I have yet to see us win a game in the blue pants, but I've seen us lose plenty in white pants to not blame the color of our uniform.

I disagree (no surprise there). I hated what BVG did to the helmet. Prefer the old matte blue. Course, I'm not much on things that "pop" under lights.

I like the road white on white. Not a fan of blue blue or white on blue.
But I do agree BVG's best decision was to hit the flipping road.
Damn carpetbagger.

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Now let me educate you on your own history, you've had three(not two) losing seasons since your football program was resurrected:

1996: 4-7
2006: 3-8
2009: 5-6

Wrong. We did not actually play football under BVG.

(05-06-2014 03:54 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  All the SBC unis are solid except the Adidas ones.

Agreed. Not a fan of Addis unis. Looks like a spandex t-shirt 5 sizes too small with holes cut in the sides for arms.

(05-06-2014 08:27 PM)eaglemachine Wrote:  [quote='MTPiKapp' pid='10728809' dateline='1399396490']
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Now let me educate you on your own history, you've had three(not two) losing seasons since your football program was resurrected:

1996: 4-7
2006: 3-8
2009: 5-6

Wrong. We did not actually play football under BVG.

What is a "2006"?

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(05-06-2014 04:14 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 12:19 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 11:41 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Son of a! That didn't work out. Dang.. sorry don't have time to fix it now.

BVG actually changed the facemask from gray to navy blue. He also changed the helmet to a navy blue metallic....which looked awesome and really "popped" under the lights. The helmet was the best decision he made while in Statesboro (other than leaving).

I love the blue/blue look....but the white/blue look is even better. I have yet to see us win a game in the blue pants, but I've seen us lose plenty in white pants to not blame the color of our uniform.

I disagree (no surprise there). I hated what BVG did to the helmet. Prefer the old matte blue. Course, I'm not much on things that "pop" under lights.

I like the road white on white. Not a fan of blue blue or white on blue.
But I do agree BVG's best decision was to hit the flipping road.
Damn carpetbagger.

The blue we use now is different from the matte blue even during the Sewak days. The helmet color that BVG went with was a true navy blue...it was a very deep color and the metallic flake in the paint just made it look even better at night. It did a great job of contrast with the white numbers/stripe. It wasn't crazy, and if hadn't been a total dick about everything it would have been accepted.

I like the white on blue mainly because it's a mirror image of what we wear at home. It also provides more contrast between the jerseys and pants in the uniform. I agree with people who say that our road uniforms can get a bit monotonous.