(05-01-2014 09:35 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  There are a lot of reasons why Miami isn't Miami anymore. Coaching is one. Another is the rise of UCF/USF.

But to say moving out of the Big East and into the ACC had "nothing" to do with it is insane.

One of the factors but not the only factor....realignment for Virginia Tech didn't hurt them in their move from the BIG EAST to the ACC...Coker, Shannon...falling behind in facilities and NCAA woes hurt Miami....but the Hurricanes talent level is picking back up under Al Golden....

I like Miami jumping to the big 10. The best thing for miami would be to team up with the MLS franchise for stadium downtown in the 40-50,000 seat range.

(05-01-2014 09:35 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  There are a lot of reasons why Miami isn't Miami anymore. Coaching is one. Another is the rise of UCF/USF.

But to say moving out of the Big East and into the ACC had "nothing" to do with it is insane.

It was all timing. If Miami had left the Big East in 1997 or 1998 the 2000-03 period of success would have still happened.

(05-01-2014 06:33 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 07:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:  here is how I would rank them:

conference perspective:

1. B10
-got a nice mix of academics/tv markets

2. SEC
got a badly needed $$$ upgrade + networks and a school (aggie) they have long tried to obtain. Only negative is the strikout on OU/UT

3. pac12
-their biggest concern going in was money. They got the TV contract they badly needed, got a school they have long tried to obtain (CU). Plus they were able to do all of this on "pac12 terms" and didn't have to invite the devil into the conference (texas) in order to do this.

The one big negative is the ratings of the pac12 network

4. acc
-got a school they have long wanted (cuse)
-got a big pay increase
-didn't stabilize the conference as well as they would of liked
-didn't capitalize on new revenues as much as they should of
lost maryland

5. b12
tcu/wvu are not suitable replacements for what the b12 lost ==> not gonna go into detail on this one.

individual school perspective
1. Texas a&m
-got into their dream conference
-saw athletic success at a crucial time and was able to reinvent themselves

2. Rutgers
-moved up and into a conference that as of 10 years ago no one believed they would ever join
-joined like minded schools, with terrific academics, exposure, revenue.

3. Colorado
-joined their dream conference
-managed to get into a division built especially for their needs
-had the best realignment move from a demographics perspective

4. Syracuse
-joined their dream conference
-joined on their own terms
-joined a like minded conference that is nearly identical to their athletic/cultural tendencies.

5. Utah
-moved up into the p5
-joined their dream conference
-got to LOL at BYU

only con is that they had to sweat it out and didn't enter the picture until after the b12 stabilized.

6. Missouri
-found athletic success, stability, & $$$.
-although they were very public in their desire to join the b10
-only got into the sec after several b12 schools said no

7. Maryland
-found a conference that fits their academics better
-got a huge athletic $$$ boost that was badly needed

8. Nebraska
-got an academic upgrade
-football has been ok
-loss of old b12 rivals

9. Pitt
-while the acc is nice this is a school that should be in the b10
-the acc is nice, but it doesn't cater to pitt's athletic/cultural needs as it does for SU

10. Louisville
-moved into a p5 league
-until they got the gift from maryland they were on the outside looking in

11. TCU
-got into their dream conference
-their athletic program tanked
-settled on the conference with the weakest outlook going forward.

12. WVU
-loss of all historic rivals
-outlier in their own conference
-does not fit demographically with the b12 at all
-their athletic program tanked
-settled on the conference with the weakest outlook going forward.

You are a real homer ranking Cuse at 4 while Pitt and Louisville at 9 and 10!

pitt/ville are publics

cuse is a private school that cares deeply for lax/BB. they fit in with the acc much better than ville/pitt.

if syracuse could choose any power conference to be in ==> they would choose the acc. if ville/pitt had the same opportunity they would choose the sec/b10 respectively.

Whenever I see Utah ahead of Colorado, I smell poo. Sorry, but going to one irrelevant bowl game in three years is not better than a basketball team getting into the tournament every year in the same span. Heck, even the women's basketball team's gone to their tournament.

Yup, let's all pile on Colorado for it's god awful football. We'll ignore what they're doing well and shame them for not doing what we thought they should have. I guess that's what happens when we unfairly set bars for programs. Nothing expected from the Utes...they're on course. The world for Colorado, and they're a failure. Ok then.

(05-01-2014 10:02 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Whenever I see Utah ahead of Colorado, I smell poo. Sorry, but going to one irrelevant bowl game in three years is not better than a basketball team getting into the tournament every year in the same span. Heck, even the women's basketball team's gone to their tournament.

Yup, let's all pile on Colorado for it's god awful football. We'll ignore what they're doing well and shame them for not doing what we thought they should have. I guess that's what happens when we unfairly set bars for programs. Nothing expected from the Utes...they're on course. The world for Colorado, and they're a failure. Ok then.

granted cu BB has exploded......

but the real win has been there massive increase in donations.

the pac12 south has more than twice as many CU alumni than the entire b12

a realignment move doesn't get any better than that.........

I think the biggest reason I'd put Utah ahead of Colorado is where both were previously. Utah was in the MWC folks. Outside the BCS. Utah has moved into their dream conference and in a great division for them. As far as your con that they had to sweat it out- big deal. Fact is they are there now and that isn't changing.. Same goes with Louisville. Who cares if it was a gift from Maryland.

(05-01-2014 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the biggest reason I'd put Utah ahead of Colorado is where both were previously. Utah was in the MWC folks. Outside the BCS. Utah has moved into their dream conference and in a great division for them. As far as your con that they had to sweat it out- big deal. Fact is they are there now and that isn't changing.. Same goes with Louisville. Who cares if it was a gift from Maryland.

not to sound two faced because i already but put CU over utah, but the concept of UU over CU is not far fetched either.

the tie breaker for me was the fact that UU only got into the pac12 out of pure luck and didn't get the full tv contract in year #1 like CU did.

(05-01-2014 11:08 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-01-2014 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the biggest reason I'd put Utah ahead of Colorado is where both were previously. Utah was in the MWC folks. Outside the BCS. Utah has moved into their dream conference and in a great division for them. As far as your con that they had to sweat it out- big deal. Fact is they are there now and that isn't changing.. Same goes with Louisville. Who cares if it was a gift from Maryland.

not to sound two faced because i already but put CU over utah, but the concept of UU over CU is not far fetched either.

the tie breaker for me was the fact that UU only got into the pac12 out of pure luck and didn't get the full tv contract in year #1 like CU did.

I'd say Utah benefitted more just because of the jump from where they'd been previously.

IIRC, Utah got a 25% share of Pac-12 revenue their first year in the league and it increases each year up to a full 100% share in 2014-2015. That first-year 25% share is still more money than they would have made as an MWC member that year.

Utah football attendance was already pretty close to capacity even in 2010 (source) while the Utes were still in the MWC, which is not surprising because they had already won two BCS bowl games at that point. But I'd guess they've been able to increase ticket prices. And donations are probably way up.

Rutgers is hands down the winner of CFB Realignment.

They went from a future in the G5 AAC to a future in one of the the richest and most stable P5 leagues.

And now this is theirs:

(05-01-2014 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  (source) while the Utes were still in the MWC, which is not surprising because they had already won two BCS bowl games at that point. But I'd guess they've been able to increase ticket prices. And donations are probably way up.

This is the case. The catching up on the field/court will lag behind the catching up in facilities and upgrades in staff at all levels from recruiting coordinators to head coaches. Basketball seems to be ahead of the curve for Utah. The arena is already the highest capacity in the conference and Utah was second in attendance for 2013. A new practice facility is under construction. Unlike MWC years, we avoided the biggest issue with being a successful mid-major and actually held on to a good HC this off season. I think most analysts expect Utah to build on 2013's 21 win season a 3rd/4th place finish in conference this year and an NCAA bid. Utah and Colorado are actually in a pretty good place for BBall. Football is another issue.

I would say Utah's upside is that its potential is nowhere near topping out, whereas CU is further along. But, even recognizing that, you have to see that CU is already ahead of UU...

(05-01-2014 12:34 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Rutgers is hands down the winner of CFB Realignment.

They went from a future in the G5 AAC to a future in one of the the richest and most stable P5 leagues.

And now this is theirs:

And they did it without really accomplishing anything on the field/court outside of the 2006 Rutgers Football Team...Strong Academics and "Potential TV Market"...