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Indy Star: Ranking Conference Realignment Moves
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How it will go

1. Notre Dame partially to the ACC. Notre Dame generally gets what it wants, and even when the dominoes began falling toward the demise of the Big East -- the Fighting Irish's non-football partner -- and the importance of association with one of the big five leagues, the Irish maintained a sliver of their cherished football independence by compromising with the ACC. The entire college football world would be better off had Notre Dame and the Big Ten finally put their differences aside, but instead now we get five games against ACC opponents (eventually; it's four this year) while the Irish are free to continue their independent scheduling for seven games. Notre Dame won't be a factor in the ACC standings, but its association with the ACC gives it a connection with the league's bowl lineup, strengthening its postseason opportunities in the playoff era after being stuck without a guaranteed tie-in last season. The result was the best of both worlds from the Notre Dame perspective: Maintain a place in the power structure, while also maintaining its own power with its NBC TV deal and flexible national scheduling. The loss of the Notre Dame-Michigan rivalry will be an undesirable byproduct, but adding rotating games against Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech and Clemson is a decent consolation.

2. Louisville to the ACC. Louisville enters the ACC's Atlantic division at an interesting time of change. It secured its place in the upper tier of the sport's power structure, completing a successful run as the athletic department thrives and reaches new heights. But now the football team must do two important things: Replace Teddy Bridgewater, and smoothly transition from the successful Charlie Strong to the second act of Bobby Petrino. And it must do so in what's now the stronger ACC division, at least at the top, with Florida State and Clemson winning the last three conference titles. There's no reason to believe Louisville will have a difficult transition, though. The athletic department has been on the upswing for years, and the last time Petrino was in Louisville the Cardinals finished 12-1 and won the Orange Bowl. Given that emergence, Louisville to the ACC seems to be one of the best fits out of all this reshuffling.

3. Maryland to the Big Ten. Good luck with recruiting, Maryland. The D.C. area is relatively fertile ground, but the Terrapins face a monumental task in trying to keep the best players home. They now share the Big Ten East division with Ohio State -- the best program in the north with national pull, Urban Meyer as head coach and now the region's best recruiter, new defensive line coach Larry Johnson -- and Penn State, who lost Johnson but hired head coach James Franklin, a recruiting force who was previously Maryland's coach-in-waiting (plus, former Maryland head coach Ralph Friedgen was hired as Rutgers' offensive coordinator). The good news is that the Terps' current roster is in its best shape of the Randy Edsall era, which began with a rash of transfers and over the last two years has been plagued by an injury epidemic. They can't compete for a division title this year, but fueled by the returns of receivers Stefon Diggs and Deon Long, there's hope to pull off a surprise or two. If not, Edsall -- who has improved from 2-10 to 4-8 to 7-6 in three years -- could be on shaky ground.

4. Rutgers

How It's Going

1. Texas A&M
2. Missouri
3. Nebraska

4. Pittsburgh in the ACC. Nobody has done anonymous mediocrity quite like Pitt since the turn of the century. Even when the Panthers made their one BCS appearance, in 2004, they finished 8-4 and became the first team to lose to a non-AQ team in a BCS bowl when they were demolished by Utah. The last four years, they've finished 27-25, with three BBVA Compass Bowls followed by the Little Caesars Bowl. The revolving door of coaches has settled on Paul Chryst for now, though, and despite the loss of all-everything defensive tackle Aaron Donald, he has some talent to work with in a wide-open ACC Coastal in which everyone but Virginia could conceivably win the division. With a pair of potential star sophomores on offense in wideout Tyler Boyd and running back James Conner, there is some hope that the Panthers emerge from this rut in the next year or two.

5. Syracuse in the ACC. The Orange are currently in a similar situation to Pitt, only they face a steeper road to a division title in the Atlantic with Florida State, Clemson and Louisville. The good news is that Doug Marrone rescued them from the perilous Greg Robinson era, and Scott Shafer at least kept the ship steady in his first year in the jump to the ACC, going 7-6 with a Texas Bowl win. Of course, Syracuse lost to Clemson, Florida State and Georgia Tech by a total score of 164-17, so clearly the Orange are not ready to compete for a division title yet.

6. TCU
7. Utah
8. Colorado

9. West Virginia in the Big 12. It all seemed like a reasonable idea back in the fall of 2011. The Mountaineers were on their way to their 10th straight bowl appearance, a Big East title and a 70-point effort against Clemson in the Orange Bowl, with a rising star coach in Dana Holgorsen. They even looked fantastic halfway into their Big 12 debut season in 2012 … and then everything collapsed. Since opening the 2012 season 5-0, capped by the WAC-style thriller against Baylor, West Virginia has gone 6-14. It even lost to Kansas and Iowa State last year within the conference, on top of a 37-0 embarrassment against Maryland. Holgorsen is still a bright offensive mind, but his time as a head coach may be nearing its end. That doesn't mean the long-term West Virginia/Big 12 marriage can't work, but in hindsight, we're left to wonder if the conference would have been better off inviting Louisville.

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RE: Indy Star: Ranking Conference Realignment Moves
What a waste of ink.
ND does and gets what it wants.
UL joins upper tier in ACC after finishing 2nd in everything that matters in AAC.
Rutgers is Rutgers
CUSE and Pitt will be in bottom 1/3 of ACC for football.
TCU, Utah, and Colorado are forever lost in the shuffle.
WV experiment to date is a failure.

There, reprint of article without wasting precious words and computer space.
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(04-30-2014 07:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  What a waste of ink.
ND does and gets what it wants.
UL joins upper tier in ACC after finishing 2nd in everything that matters in AAC.
Rutgers is Rutgers
CUSE and Pitt will be in bottom 1/3 of ACC for football.
TCU, Utah, and Colorado are forever lost in the shuffle.
WV experiment to date is a failure.

There, reprint of article without wasting precious words and computer space.

What about the "Left behinds"?

USF, UConn & U Cinn. Realingment did not work out to good for these schools
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It cracks me up that guys like this get pissed that ND doesn't do what they want ND to do, for whatever reason.

Even if he is correct that "The entire college football world would be better off had Notre Dame and the Big Ten finally put their differences aside" (which I think is wrong), it is irrelevant.

ND, like any other school in the conference realignment process, gets to act in its own, perceived best interests.

Apparently, the writer harbors some resentment that ND will not "get it" and simply surrender to his wishes and the alleged wishes of the "college football world", for some reason.

Too damn bad.
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(04-30-2014 10:17 AM)TerryD Wrote:  It cracks me up that guys like this get pissed that ND doesn't do what they want ND to do, for whatever reason.

Even if he is correct that "The entire college football world would be better off had Notre Dame and the Big Ten finally put their differences aside" (which I think is wrong), it is irrelevant.

ND, like any other school in the conference realignment process, gets to act in its own, perceived best interests.

Apparently, the writer harbors some resentment that ND will not "get it" and simply surrender to his wishes and the alleged wishes of the "college football world", for some reason.

Too damn bad.

What the writer really means is:

"The entire college football world Big Ten would be better off had Notre Dame and the Big Ten finally put their differences aside"
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I think an interesting point would be what if Notre Dame had gone to the Big Ten.

The ACC then doesn't raise the exit fee. Maryland goes to the Big Ten.

The Big question then becomes, does the ACC stabalize at that point, or is it a free for all getting off the titanic? Also, if the ACC stabalizes, do they still take Louisville, or is Rutgers more of a play with the NYC theme? If they take Rutgers, does the C7 still split, knowing they still would have Louisville for the time being?
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I personally think that ND joining the ACC saved that conference from being poached/raided for a number of schools by several conferences.

I don't think that the increased exit fee and the GOR happen without ND's involvement, but that is just my personal viewpoint.
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(04-30-2014 12:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I personally think that ND joining the ACC saved that conference from being poached/raided for a number of schools by several conferences.

I don't think that the increased exit fee and the GOR happen without ND's involvement, but that is just my personal viewpoint.

Totally agree. I think when Maryland leaves to join the Big Ten, it becomes a free for all. I think SEC and Big 12 are very involved at that point- and maybe Big Ten getting 2 more as well.
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here is how I would rank them:

conference perspective:

1. B10
-got a nice mix of academics/tv markets

2. SEC
got a badly needed $$$ upgrade + networks and a school (aggie) they have long tried to obtain. Only negative is the strikout on OU/UT

3. pac12
-their biggest concern going in was money. They got the TV contract they badly needed, got a school they have long tried to obtain (CU). Plus they were able to do all of this on "pac12 terms" and didn't have to invite the devil into the conference (texas) in order to do this.

The one big negative is the ratings of the pac12 network

4. acc
-got a school they have long wanted (cuse)
-got a big pay increase
-didn't stabilize the conference as well as they would of liked
-didn't capitalize on new revenues as much as they should of
lost maryland

5. b12
tcu/wvu are not suitable replacements for what the b12 lost ==> not gonna go into detail on this one.

individual school perspective
1. Texas a&m
-got into their dream conference
-saw athletic success at a crucial time and was able to reinvent themselves

2. Rutgers
-moved up and into a conference that as of 10 years ago no one believed they would ever join
-joined like minded schools, with terrific academics, exposure, revenue.

3. Colorado
-joined their dream conference
-managed to get into a division built especially for their needs
-had the best realignment move from a demographics perspective

4. Syracuse
-joined their dream conference
-joined on their own terms
-joined a like minded conference that is nearly identical to their athletic/cultural tendencies.

5. Utah
-moved up into the p5
-joined their dream conference
-got to LOL at BYU

only con is that they had to sweat it out and didn't enter the picture until after the b12 stabilized.

6. Missouri
-found athletic success, stability, & $$$.
-although they were very public in their desire to join the b10
-only got into the sec after several b12 schools said no

7. Maryland
-found a conference that fits their academics better
-got a huge athletic $$$ boost that was badly needed

8. Nebraska
-got an academic upgrade
-football has been ok
-loss of old b12 rivals

9. Pitt
-while the acc is nice this is a school that should be in the b10
-the acc is nice, but it doesn't cater to pitt's athletic/cultural needs as it does for SU

10. Louisville
-moved into a p5 league
-until they got the gift from maryland they were on the outside looking in

11. TCU
-got into their dream conference
-their athletic program tanked
-settled on the conference with the weakest outlook going forward.

12. WVU
-loss of all historic rivals
-outlier in their own conference
-does not fit demographically with the b12 at all
-their athletic program tanked
-settled on the conference with the weakest outlook going forward.
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RE: Indy Star: Ranking Conference Realignment Moves
(04-30-2014 07:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  What a waste of ink.
ND does and gets what it wants.
UL joins upper tier in ACC after finishing 2nd in everything that matters in AAC.
Rutgers is Rutgers
CUSE and Pitt will be in bottom 1/3 of ACC for football.
TCU, Utah, and Colorado are forever lost in the shuffle.
WV experiment to date is a failure.

There, reprint of article without wasting precious words and computer space.

Louisville finished second in everything that matters in the AAC? The Cards won the AAC tournament and were co-champs in basketball.
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(04-30-2014 10:17 AM)TerryD Wrote:  It cracks me up that guys like this get pissed that ND doesn't do what they want ND to do, for whatever reason.

Even if he is correct that "The entire college football world would be better off had Notre Dame and the Big Ten finally put their differences aside" (which I think is wrong), it is irrelevant.

ND, like any other school in the conference realignment process, gets to act in its own, perceived best interests.

Apparently, the writer harbors some resentment that ND will not "get it" and simply surrender to his wishes and the alleged wishes of the "college football world", for some reason.

Too damn bad.

I agree, Notre Dame doesn't belong in the Big Ten. The ACC fits it much better.
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So I guess this rag has never heard of UCONN and their unique situation re:CR! Typical BS from a paper I used to respect!!!
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(04-30-2014 07:13 PM)Villecard Wrote:  
(04-30-2014 07:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  What a waste of ink.
ND does and gets what it wants.
UL joins upper tier in ACC after finishing 2nd in everything that matters in AAC.
Rutgers is Rutgers
CUSE and Pitt will be in bottom 1/3 of ACC for football.
TCU, Utah, and Colorado are forever lost in the shuffle.
WV experiment to date is a failure.

There, reprint of article without wasting precious words and computer space.

Louisville finished second in everything that matters in the AAC? The Cards won the AAC tournament and were co-champs in basketball.

Those darn "Facts"....AAC Basketball Regular Season Co-Champions/AAC Basketball Tournament Champion and the school that gave Eventual Men's Basketball National Champions UConn it final two defeats...07-coffee3
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(04-30-2014 07:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  What a waste of ink.
ND does and gets what it wants.
UL joins upper tier in ACC after finishing 2nd in everything that matters in AAC.
Rutgers is Rutgers
CUSE and Pitt will be in bottom 1/3 of ACC for football.
TCU, Utah, and Colorado are forever lost in the shuffle.
WV experiment to date is a failure.

There, reprint of article without wasting precious words and computer space.
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(04-30-2014 07:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:  here is how I would rank them:

conference perspective:

1. B10
-got a nice mix of academics/tv markets

2. SEC
got a badly needed $$$ upgrade + networks and a school (aggie) they have long tried to obtain. Only negative is the strikout on OU/UT

3. pac12
-their biggest concern going in was money. They got the TV contract they badly needed, got a school they have long tried to obtain (CU). Plus they were able to do all of this on "pac12 terms" and didn't have to invite the devil into the conference (texas) in order to do this.

The one big negative is the ratings of the pac12 network

4. acc
-got a school they have long wanted (cuse)
-got a big pay increase
-didn't stabilize the conference as well as they would of liked
-didn't capitalize on new revenues as much as they should of
lost maryland

5. b12
tcu/wvu are not suitable replacements for what the b12 lost ==> not gonna go into detail on this one.

individual school perspective
1. Texas a&m
-got into their dream conference
-saw athletic success at a crucial time and was able to reinvent themselves

2. Rutgers
-moved up and into a conference that as of 10 years ago no one believed they would ever join
-joined like minded schools, with terrific academics, exposure, revenue.

3. Colorado
-joined their dream conference
-managed to get into a division built especially for their needs
-had the best realignment move from a demographics perspective

4. Syracuse
-joined their dream conference
-joined on their own terms
-joined a like minded conference that is nearly identical to their athletic/cultural tendencies.

5. Utah
-moved up into the p5
-joined their dream conference
-got to LOL at BYU

only con is that they had to sweat it out and didn't enter the picture until after the b12 stabilized.

6. Missouri
-found athletic success, stability, & $$$.
-although they were very public in their desire to join the b10
-only got into the sec after several b12 schools said no

7. Maryland
-found a conference that fits their academics better
-got a huge athletic $$$ boost that was badly needed

8. Nebraska
-got an academic upgrade
-football has been ok
-loss of old b12 rivals

9. Pitt
-while the acc is nice this is a school that should be in the b10
-the acc is nice, but it doesn't cater to pitt's athletic/cultural needs as it does for SU

10. Louisville
-moved into a p5 league
-until they got the gift from maryland they were on the outside looking in

11. TCU
-got into their dream conference
-their athletic program tanked
-settled on the conference with the weakest outlook going forward.

12. WVU
-loss of all historic rivals
-outlier in their own conference
-does not fit demographically with the b12 at all
-their athletic program tanked
-settled on the conference with the weakest outlook going forward.

You are a real homer ranking Cuse at 4 while Pitt and Louisville at 9 and 10! 07-coffee3
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I wonder if Miami would do it over again.

They've only had one Top 15 finish since joining the ACC ten seasons ago, and no Top 10s. No BCS bowls. No conference titles. Hell, no division titles.

In the Big East, they played in 8 BCS bowls in 13 years.

In terms of prestige, no team in realignment has suffered more than Miami.
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(05-01-2014 07:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  I wonder if Miami would do it over again.

They've only had one Top 15 finish since joining the ACC ten seasons ago, and no Top 10s. No BCS bowls. No conference titles. Hell, no division titles.

In the Big East, they played in 8 BCS bowls in 13 years.

In terms of prestige, no team in realignment has suffered more than Miami.

Leaving the Big East had nothing to do with any of that transpiring.
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(05-01-2014 08:06 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(05-01-2014 07:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  I wonder if Miami would do it over again.

They've only had one Top 15 finish since joining the ACC ten seasons ago, and no Top 10s. No BCS bowls. No conference titles. Hell, no division titles.

In the Big East, they played in 8 BCS bowls in 13 years.

In terms of prestige, no team in realignment has suffered more than Miami.

Leaving the Big East had nothing to do with any of that transpiring.

"Nothing"?

Miami owned the Big East. It lost 11 conference football games in 13 years. And four of those came in one season.

You are telling me that moving to a more difficult conference didn't result in more losses? Or that more losses didn't make it harder to qualify for BCS bowls?

This is the whole by-product of consolidation. Parity. It's MUCH harder to dominate a 14-team league than an 8-team league.

Why do you think Texas and OU aren't in a rush to join the Big 10, SEC or Pac 12? They understand the dynamic.
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(05-01-2014 09:08 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(05-01-2014 08:06 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(05-01-2014 07:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  I wonder if Miami would do it over again.

They've only had one Top 15 finish since joining the ACC ten seasons ago, and no Top 10s. No BCS bowls. No conference titles. Hell, no division titles.

In the Big East, they played in 8 BCS bowls in 13 years.

In terms of prestige, no team in realignment has suffered more than Miami.

Leaving the Big East had nothing to do with any of that transpiring.

"Nothing"?

Miami owned the Big East. It lost 11 conference football games in 13 years. And four of those came in one season.

You are telling me that moving to a more difficult conference didn't result in more losses? Or that more losses didn't make it harder to qualify for BCS bowls?

Larry Coker & Randy Shannon are responsible for that, not conference realignment.
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There are a lot of reasons why Miami isn't Miami anymore. Coaching is one. Another is the rise of UCF/USF.

But to say moving out of the Big East and into the ACC had "nothing" to do with it is insane.
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