(04-25-2014 03:01 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:52 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Agree entirely. God friend of mine let his daughter (moderate learning disability)stay with them til she was around 25 and finally ended up with a job that she could support herself on. No problem there.

The problem was her brother (sharp as a tack and a scholarship athlete) also felt he was due to stay at home if he wanted. So he goes off to College, lasts one year and flunks out. Moves back in, gets a J......O......B.......

Laying carpet. Fair enough, honest work. Thing is all he did was blow his paychecks on dope every week. His parents helped his sister while she was struggling so they didn't charge rent, board or anything. So he expected the same.
Laid carpet, smoked dope and drink everyday, of course he eventually got busted. Spend a little time , 30 days I think, in County jail, loses his job and license, so now he's royally f$#%ed himself.

Last I knew he was still there, he'd be around 27 or more by now. Did him NO favor by allowing that.

Why judge how others raise their kids? Italian boys often live with 'momma' into their 30s until they're ready to marry and start a family...it's a cultural norm form them.

Wut? did you even read what I wrote?

Damn right I can judge what they did and allowed here. They were complicit in his failures. They allowed it to happen. I've known this kid since he was around 8 years old. Knew him real well actually camped with the family etc. Read about his athletic accomplishments all the time in the paper, and knew full well what a great student he was. Straight A's all through HS for the most part.

I don't really give a schit what the "Italian boys" do. By allowing him to stayed stoned, drunk and sitting on their couch eating their food every day, after flunking out of College, has probably ruined his life for the most part, or at least set him back a decade or more.

It's the fact you want to judge the SO badly that worries me...like some schadenfreude self gratification.

Oh, now sweetheart don't you go worryin' on me. I'll be just fine. I'm simply relaying a situation close to what we're discussing that I have first hand knowledge of.

I most certainly take no pleasure in what happened, this was a guy with the world by the balls. He evidently just needed a little kick in them balls. When he flunked out of college and lost his scholarship I would have told him to find an apartment in the College town and get a job. move in with 3 or 4 other flunkies and do that gig for a little whole, he may have figured out the suck factor of that life.

Instead they simply allowed him to move back in. The rest I've talked about.

So defensive...

"I believe in the dignity of labor, whether with head or hand; that the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living." John D. Rockefeller, Jr. 1941


10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

And I know that you'll come up with some notion that not everyone can work because of physical and mental setbacks. While true it is about able bodied men and women.

(04-25-2014 02:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 12:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 12:38 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 12:24 PM)supertiger Wrote:  One of the problems is all the BS these kids get fed by teachers, counselors, and professors....

Finding a job and being happy isn't an exact science. Some seasons of life will no doubt suck. I think Millenials have unrealistic expectations because they're from the participant trophy generation of people constantly stroked by everyone around them.

Hell, I've never confused having a job and being happy. I've had plenty of jobs where I wasn't happy at all. I've had times when I was pulling shifts from 3 jobs, ain' no one happy doing that!

You do what you need to do, do what you can. If it means banging nails in the summer 100 deg. heat and humidity, you do that. If it means working installing boat docks in the dead of winter in chest deep water you do that.

Why is it that every day I can drive around and find work crews of either illegals or work visa guys busting their asses til night falls, 7, 8 or even later in the evening? Yet poor, poor, put upon "Brian" can't make a 200 month car payment? Schit I was making that at 12 selling poprocks.

Give me a break.

Exactly, and as I said earlier, Brian's parents are not doing him any favors. You simply cannot build character or motivation in his situation. Some people simply have to struggle to feel the fire under their rear and some are perfectly happy struggling, which is fine too. Living at home doing nothing, however, causes no struggle or fire and prevents happiness.

Agree entirely. God friend of mine let his daughter (moderate learning disability)stay with them til she was around 25 and finally ended up with a job that she could support herself on. No problem there.

The problem was her brother (sharp as a tack and a scholarship athlete) also felt he was due to stay at home if he wanted. So he goes off to College, lasts one year and flunks out. Moves back in, gets a J......O......B.......

Laying carpet. Fair enough, honest work. Thing is all he did was blow his paychecks on dope every week. His parents helped his sister while she was struggling so they didn't charge rent, board or anything. So he expected the same.
Laid carpet, smoked dope and drink everyday, of course he eventually got busted. Spend a little time , 30 days I think, in County jail, loses his job and license, so now he's royally f$#%ed himself.

Last I knew he was still there, he'd be around 27 or more by now. Did him NO favor by allowing that.

Why judge how others raise their kids? Italian boys often live with 'momma' into their 30s until they're ready to marry and start a family...it's a cultural norm form them.

Say what???

(04-25-2014 02:52 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:36 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:32 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:24 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  Because the alternative is being a piece of sh!t.

Again, tying work to ones value as a person...how terribly sad.

It's more about being a leach. If you aren't sustaining yourself and aren't contributing to society, what are you?

How do you judge a persons contribution to a society? that person may write the great modern novel at age 60...of come up with that world changing invention at 55...but yeah, because he's broke at 30 and not sure what to do with his life, he's a "piece of sh!t"

Sad...

Piece of sh!t isn't a lifelong title. Nobody's calling anyone a piece of sh!t just because they're broke. People have been contributors while broke for a long time.

Yeah, I'm not calling him a piece of sh*t. I actually blame the parents. They are enabling it.

(04-25-2014 03:10 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 12:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 12:38 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Hell, I've never confused having a job and being happy. I've had plenty of jobs where I wasn't happy at all. I've had times when I was pulling shifts from 3 jobs, ain' no one happy doing that!

You do what you need to do, do what you can. If it means banging nails in the summer 100 deg. heat and humidity, you do that. If it means working installing boat docks in the dead of winter in chest deep water you do that.

Why is it that every day I can drive around and find work crews of either illegals or work visa guys busting their asses til night falls, 7, 8 or even later in the evening? Yet poor, poor, put upon "Brian" can't make a 200 month car payment? Schit I was making that at 12 selling poprocks.

Give me a break.

Exactly, and as I said earlier, Brian's parents are not doing him any favors. You simply cannot build character or motivation in his situation. Some people simply have to struggle to feel the fire under their rear and some are perfectly happy struggling, which is fine too. Living at home doing nothing, however, causes no struggle or fire and prevents happiness.

Agree entirely. God friend of mine let his daughter (moderate learning disability)stay with them til she was around 25 and finally ended up with a job that she could support herself on. No problem there.

The problem was her brother (sharp as a tack and a scholarship athlete) also felt he was due to stay at home if he wanted. So he goes off to College, lasts one year and flunks out. Moves back in, gets a J......O......B.......

Laying carpet. Fair enough, honest work. Thing is all he did was blow his paychecks on dope every week. His parents helped his sister while she was struggling so they didn't charge rent, board or anything. So he expected the same.
Laid carpet, smoked dope and drink everyday, of course he eventually got busted. Spend a little time , 30 days I think, in County jail, loses his job and license, so now he's royally f$#%ed himself.

Last I knew he was still there, he'd be around 27 or more by now. Did him NO favor by allowing that.

Why judge how others raise their kids? Italian boys often live with 'momma' into their 30s until they're ready to marry and start a family...it's a cultural norm form them.

Say what???

Its called google, you should try it...

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/...t-cut-ties

But I'm sure they work while living with their parents. That's what we're discussing here; work.

(04-25-2014 03:15 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 03:10 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 12:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Exactly, and as I said earlier, Brian's parents are not doing him any favors. You simply cannot build character or motivation in his situation. Some people simply have to struggle to feel the fire under their rear and some are perfectly happy struggling, which is fine too. Living at home doing nothing, however, causes no struggle or fire and prevents happiness.

Agree entirely. God friend of mine let his daughter (moderate learning disability)stay with them til she was around 25 and finally ended up with a job that she could support herself on. No problem there.

The problem was her brother (sharp as a tack and a scholarship athlete) also felt he was due to stay at home if he wanted. So he goes off to College, lasts one year and flunks out. Moves back in, gets a J......O......B.......

Laying carpet. Fair enough, honest work. Thing is all he did was blow his paychecks on dope every week. His parents helped his sister while she was struggling so they didn't charge rent, board or anything. So he expected the same.
Laid carpet, smoked dope and drink everyday, of course he eventually got busted. Spend a little time , 30 days I think, in County jail, loses his job and license, so now he's royally f$#%ed himself.

Last I knew he was still there, he'd be around 27 or more by now. Did him NO favor by allowing that.

Why judge how others raise their kids? Italian boys often live with 'momma' into their 30s until they're ready to marry and start a family...it's a cultural norm form them.

Say what???

Its called google, you should try it...

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/...t-cut-ties

So you are talking about literal Italians in Italy. What does that have to do with this conversation? I went to a Jesuit school in Philly for undergrad and I can tell you all the Italian boys there worked their asse$ off while in school full-time and spent their summers working while feeding and housing themselves down the Jersey Shore. Then again, that was 15+ years ago.

It just dawned on me that my own son, starting at age 15, has had a more steady and fulfilling employment record than poor put upon "Brian" has at 29.

Effing loser. Get a job, you leech.

(04-25-2014 03:21 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 03:15 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 03:10 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 02:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Agree entirely. God friend of mine let his daughter (moderate learning disability)stay with them til she was around 25 and finally ended up with a job that she could support herself on. No problem there.

The problem was her brother (sharp as a tack and a scholarship athlete) also felt he was due to stay at home if he wanted. So he goes off to College, lasts one year and flunks out. Moves back in, gets a J......O......B.......

Laying carpet. Fair enough, honest work. Thing is all he did was blow his paychecks on dope every week. His parents helped his sister while she was struggling so they didn't charge rent, board or anything. So he expected the same.
Laid carpet, smoked dope and drink everyday, of course he eventually got busted. Spend a little time , 30 days I think, in County jail, loses his job and license, so now he's royally f$#%ed himself.

Last I knew he was still there, he'd be around 27 or more by now. Did him NO favor by allowing that.

Why judge how others raise their kids? Italian boys often live with 'momma' into their 30s until they're ready to marry and start a family...it's a cultural norm form them.

Say what???

Its called google, you should try it...

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/...t-cut-ties

So you are talking about literal Italians in Italy. What does that have to do with this conversation? I went to a Jesuit school in Philly for undergrad and I can tell you all the Italian boys there worked their asse$ off while in school full-time and spent their summers working while feeding and housing themselves down the Jersey Shore. Then again, that was 15+ years ago.

It has nothing to do with the current conversation. Different norms for different societies. Heck, my brother-in-law is 42 and lives at his parents house with his wife and three kids. Of course that is in South America where that kind of thing is normal. Here it would just seem weird.

Many times in Latin America children with and without their own kids live together with their parents because it's more economical. They all help each other.

(04-25-2014 06:08 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Many times in Latin America children with and without their own kids live together with their parents because it's more economical. They all help each other.

Yep, when my brother in law got married his parents just built an additional level to their house. The economy down there is booming now, has been for quite some time, so not sure if folks are still doing it that way.

An entire thread of older gentlemen who were young when times were good mocking young folk trying to get by in an economic depression calling them lazy, entitled, or misguided... on the spin room.


Color me shocked.

I'm a millennial. I'm in my 20s. The generation does have some serious problems. I see it all the time.

(04-26-2014 11:46 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  An entire thread of older gentlemen who were young when times were good mocking young folk trying to get by in an economic depression calling them lazy, entitled, or misguided... on the spin room.


Color me shocked.

As the great philosopher Yoda once said: "Much truth in spin, there be."

(04-26-2014 11:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm a millennial. I'm in my 20s. The generation does have some serious problems. I see it all the time.

Why is the current generation always the worst? They said the same crap about the GenX folks.

(04-26-2014 11:52 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 11:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm a millennial. I'm in my 20s. The generation does have some serious problems. I see it all the time.

Why is the current generation always the worst? They said the same crap about the GenX folks.

I don't think we are the worst. We are just the ones with the problems right now.

(04-26-2014 11:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm a millennial. I'm in my 20s. The generation does have some serious problems. I see it all the time.

Every generation has bums and stars. Lets stop pretending one is any different from the next.

Quote:We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning

(04-26-2014 11:55 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 11:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm a millennial. I'm in my 20s. The generation does have some serious problems. I see it all the time.

Every generation has bums and stars. Lets stop pretending one is any different from the next.

Quote:We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning

You're the one making that assumption. Big jumps like that seem to be a hallmark of our generation.

(04-26-2014 11:56 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 11:55 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 11:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm a millennial. I'm in my 20s. The generation does have some serious problems. I see it all the time.

Every generation has bums and stars. Lets stop pretending one is any different from the next.

Quote:We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning

You're the one making that assumption. Big jumps like that seem to be a hallmark of our generation.

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(04-26-2014 11:58 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 11:56 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 11:55 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-26-2014 11:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm a millennial. I'm in my 20s. The generation does have some serious problems. I see it all the time.

Every generation has bums and stars. Lets stop pretending one is any different from the next.

Quote:We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning

You're the one making that assumption. Big jumps like that seem to be a hallmark of our generation.

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