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CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
Congressional Budget Office projections on ObamaCare raise questions about future enrollment
Time for another Victory Lap.
Quote:President Obama and other officials like to point to projections by the Congressional Budget Office to show that ObamaCare "is working," as the president put it.
He said 8 million have enrolled in the federal exchanges, but the CBO said in a recent report only 6 million are newly insured and some say even fewer than that did not have prior insurance.
"Twenty to 33 percent are actually newly insured and out of 8 million, that would be no more than 2 to 3 million people," said David Hogberg of National Center for Public Policy Research in Washington.
That is why the CBO showed that at the end of this year, there will still be 42 million uninsured and 31 million without insurance ten years from now.
(This post was last modified: 04-22-2014 10:08 AM by SumOfAllFears.)
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
According to your link the CBO put the number at 6 million, not 2-3 million. You might want to correct your headline.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
Just read this. I can't wait to see how quickly Obamacare supporters will discount the information presented. I just don't understand how anybody, even the administration, thinks that they can claim Obamacare is 'working'.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 10:00 AM)dawgitall Wrote: According to your link the CBO put the number at 6 million, not 2-3 million. You might want to correct your headline.
Correct, the CBO put the number at 6 million, but you are conveniently dismissing the assessment from the National Center for Public Policy Research that places it at 2-3 million.
Let's address the real issue of the clouded "success" of Obamacare instead of the wording of thread titles.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
Leftists still don't understand that health insurance is not the same as health care.
In fact, the current gubernatorial race in MD proves that point.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 10:07 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:00 AM)dawgitall Wrote: According to your link the CBO put the number at 6 million, not 2-3 million. You might want to correct your headline.
Correct, the CBO put the number at 6 million, but you are conveniently dismissing the assessment from the National Center for Public Policy Research that places it at 2-3 million.
Let's address the real issue of the clouded "success" of Obamacare instead of the wording of thread titles.
I didn't conveniently dismiss it, just pointed out an obvious misrepresentation. The article does conveniently omit the 5 million enrolled in expanded Medicaid.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 10:59 AM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:07 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:00 AM)dawgitall Wrote: According to your link the CBO put the number at 6 million, not 2-3 million. You might want to correct your headline.
Correct, the CBO put the number at 6 million, but you are conveniently dismissing the assessment from the National Center for Public Policy Research that places it at 2-3 million.
Let's address the real issue of the clouded "success" of Obamacare instead of the wording of thread titles.
I didn't conveniently dismiss it, just pointed out an obvious misrepresentation. The article does conveniently omit the 5 million enrolled in expanded Medicaid.
Obamacare wasn't sold to the American public for the meficaid expansion. If it's success is now being judged on the Medicaid expansion, obamacare is an even bigger failure than imaginable.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 11:32 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:59 AM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:07 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:00 AM)dawgitall Wrote: According to your link the CBO put the number at 6 million, not 2-3 million. You might want to correct your headline.
Correct, the CBO put the number at 6 million, but you are conveniently dismissing the assessment from the National Center for Public Policy Research that places it at 2-3 million.
Let's address the real issue of the clouded "success" of Obamacare instead of the wording of thread titles.
I didn't conveniently dismiss it, just pointed out an obvious misrepresentation. The article does conveniently omit the 5 million enrolled in expanded Medicaid.
Obamacare wasn't sold to the American public for the meficaid expansion. If it's success is now being judged on the Medicaid expansion, obamacare is an even bigger failure than imaginable.
I would have to disagree with that. Medicaid expansion has always been an important component of the ACA. All the ways that the ACA results in bringing more people into the ranks of the insured have to be factored in.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 10:03 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: Just read this. I can't wait to see how quickly Obamacare supporters will discount the information presented. I just don't understand how anybody, even the administration, thinks that they can claim Obamacare is 'working'.
But you have no problem with those saying that it isn't? Even though it's too early to really tell one way or the other.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 11:39 AM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 11:32 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:59 AM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:07 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:00 AM)dawgitall Wrote: According to your link the CBO put the number at 6 million, not 2-3 million. You might want to correct your headline.
Correct, the CBO put the number at 6 million, but you are conveniently dismissing the assessment from the National Center for Public Policy Research that places it at 2-3 million.
Let's address the real issue of the clouded "success" of Obamacare instead of the wording of thread titles.
I didn't conveniently dismiss it, just pointed out an obvious misrepresentation. The article does conveniently omit the 5 million enrolled in expanded Medicaid.
Obamacare wasn't sold to the American public for the meficaid expansion. If it's success is now being judged on the Medicaid expansion, obamacare is an even bigger failure than imaginable.
I would have to disagree with that. Medicaid expansion has always been an important component of the ACA. All the ways that the ACA results in bringing more people into the ranks of the insured have to be factored in.
You think the title is misleading? You are free to not post here. You know, what that's you said.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
Doesn't bode well
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 11:39 AM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 11:32 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:59 AM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:07 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:00 AM)dawgitall Wrote: According to your link the CBO put the number at 6 million, not 2-3 million. You might want to correct your headline.
Correct, the CBO put the number at 6 million, but you are conveniently dismissing the assessment from the National Center for Public Policy Research that places it at 2-3 million.
Let's address the real issue of the clouded "success" of Obamacare instead of the wording of thread titles.
I didn't conveniently dismiss it, just pointed out an obvious misrepresentation. The article does conveniently omit the 5 million enrolled in expanded Medicaid.
Obamacare wasn't sold to the American public for the meficaid expansion. If it's success is now being judged on the Medicaid expansion, obamacare is an even bigger failure than imaginable.
I would have to disagree with that. Medicaid expansion has always been an important component of the ACA. All the ways that the ACA results in bringing more people into the ranks of the insured have to be factored in.
For probably the about fifty times. The Federal government could have expanded MEDICAID without screwing with everyone's health insurance.
Medicaid is nothing more than the medical arm of welfare. Calling increasing Medicaid rolls the same as people buying health insurance would be the same as calling someone's welfare check a job.
Lets' see, we added 5 million people to the welfare program - we can now lower the jobless rate to 5%.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 11:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:03 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: Just read this. I can't wait to see how quickly Obamacare supporters will discount the information presented. I just don't understand how anybody, even the administration, thinks that they can claim Obamacare is 'working'.
But you have no problem with those saying that it isn't? Even though it's too early to really tell one way or the other.
As it is, in it's current state, and as described or "sold" to the American public, can you provide any evidence that it is working?
I know there are tons of stats from both sides arguing its success and failure, but just step back for a moment and look at it as a whole. What has been the biggest benefit? At what cost was that benefit attained? Do initial estimates of enrollees meet the predetermined requirements to keep the legislation on target cost wise? The simple fact that the administration is not forthcoming with data regarding enrollees and paid premiums should cast serious doubt about whether or not the program is sustainable. If it is "working" let's see the data. Finding out how many enrollees have paid is as simple as asking. So is providing the demographics on those enrollees to know if they are from the intended market of the previously uninsured, or are merely replacing insurance that was dropped due to Obamacare.
At this point I have absolutely no problem stating that Obamacare is not working as advertised. If this were a product for sale in the private market and I were an investor, I would have serious questions about whether or not I would continue to fund development based on initial results.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 11:51 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: (04-22-2014 11:39 AM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 11:32 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:59 AM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:07 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: Correct, the CBO put the number at 6 million, but you are conveniently dismissing the assessment from the National Center for Public Policy Research that places it at 2-3 million.
Let's address the real issue of the clouded "success" of Obamacare instead of the wording of thread titles.
I didn't conveniently dismiss it, just pointed out an obvious misrepresentation. The article does conveniently omit the 5 million enrolled in expanded Medicaid.
Obamacare wasn't sold to the American public for the meficaid expansion. If it's success is now being judged on the Medicaid expansion, obamacare is an even bigger failure than imaginable.
I would have to disagree with that. Medicaid expansion has always been an important component of the ACA. All the ways that the ACA results in bringing more people into the ranks of the insured have to be factored in.
You think the title is misleading? You are free to not post here. You know, what that's you said.
It isn't misleading, it is wrong. I'm sure you realize that as well and anyone.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 11:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:03 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: Just read this. I can't wait to see how quickly Obamacare supporters will discount the information presented. I just don't understand how anybody, even the administration, thinks that they can claim Obamacare is 'working'.
But you have no problem with those saying that it isn't? Even though it's too early to really tell one way or the other.
As it is, in it's current state, and as described or "sold" to the American public, can you provide any evidence that it is working?
I know there are tons of stats from both sides arguing its success and failure, but just step back for a moment and look at it as a whole. What has been the biggest benefit? At what cost was that benefit attained? Do initial estimates of enrollees meet the predetermined requirements to keep the legislation on target cost wise? The simple fact that the administration is not forthcoming with data regarding enrollees and paid premiums should cast serious doubt about whether or not the program is sustainable. If it is "working" let's see the data. Finding out how many enrollees have paid is as simple as asking. So is providing the demographics on those enrollees to know if they are from the intended market of the previously uninsured, or are merely replacing insurance that was dropped due to Obamacare.
At this point I have absolutely no problem stating that Obamacare is not working as advertised. If this were a product for sale in the private market and I were an investor, I would have serious questions about whether or not I would continue to fund development based on initial results.
The Rand survey is one place to start if you want to see some data indicating that it is working. In their study that concluded before enrollment was complete they estimated that there was a net gain in coverage of 9.3 million adults as of mid March. Notice that that is adults, so the net gain would have to be higher when those under 18 are included.
http://www.rand.org/blog/2014/04/survey-...dults.html
(This post was last modified: 04-22-2014 01:11 PM by dawgitall.)
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 11:39 AM)dawgitall Wrote: I would have to disagree with that. Medicaid expansion has always been an important component of the ACA. All the ways that the ACA results in bringing more people into the ranks of the insured have to be factored in.
Then how was it gong to be "revenue neutral"
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
Please, please keep the victory lap going. Preach how great Barrycare is to the world. Please do it....
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 12:10 PM)Crebman Wrote: (04-22-2014 11:39 AM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 11:32 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:59 AM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:07 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: Correct, the CBO put the number at 6 million, but you are conveniently dismissing the assessment from the National Center for Public Policy Research that places it at 2-3 million.
Let's address the real issue of the clouded "success" of Obamacare instead of the wording of thread titles.
I didn't conveniently dismiss it, just pointed out an obvious misrepresentation. The article does conveniently omit the 5 million enrolled in expanded Medicaid.
Obamacare wasn't sold to the American public for the meficaid expansion. If it's success is now being judged on the Medicaid expansion, obamacare is an even bigger failure than imaginable.
I would have to disagree with that. Medicaid expansion has always been an important component of the ACA. All the ways that the ACA results in bringing more people into the ranks of the insured have to be factored in.
For probably the about fifty times. The Federal government could have expanded MEDICAID without screwing with everyone's health insurance.
Medicaid is nothing more than the medical arm of welfare. Calling increasing Medicaid rolls the same as people buying health insurance would be the same as calling someone's welfare check a job.
Lets' see, we added 5 million people to the welfare program - we can now lower the jobless rate to 5%.
Yes we understand your point. Medicaid is a government program that provides health care coverage to low income citizens and you don't like it. The expanded Medicaid that gives us the 5 million number covers primarily the working poor, not these that don't work. I'm not sure if you are aware of this? These are people that make up to 138% of the poverty level and can't afford to buy health insurance on the private market. In large part these are the people that don't go to the doctor much but flood hospital ERs when they get really sick. They are the ones that can't pay those bills and the hospital ends up passing the losses on to the rest of us. When those people get Medicaid they are less likely to wait until their condition is really bad and go ahead and see a doctor early on. Hospitals like the one in my hometown, that has a very high percentage of indigent patients would get paid for the care they provide. The hospital would avoid operating in the red and can provide better care for all of us. The economic impact in my community and in similar places all over the country would be greatly improved. Unfortunately for the 318k North Carolinians that would qualify under an expanded Medicaid program and ultimately for the rest of us, our General Assembly has chosen to pass on the option. In my opinion the expansion of Medicaid will be a net positive for the nation.
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RE: CBO: Newly Enrolled in ZeroCare only 2 to 3 million people 42 Million still Uninsured
(04-22-2014 01:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote: (04-22-2014 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: (04-22-2014 11:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (04-22-2014 10:03 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: Just read this. I can't wait to see how quickly Obamacare supporters will discount the information presented. I just don't understand how anybody, even the administration, thinks that they can claim Obamacare is 'working'.
But you have no problem with those saying that it isn't? Even though it's too early to really tell one way or the other.
As it is, in it's current state, and as described or "sold" to the American public, can you provide any evidence that it is working?
I know there are tons of stats from both sides arguing its success and failure, but just step back for a moment and look at it as a whole. What has been the biggest benefit? At what cost was that benefit attained? Do initial estimates of enrollees meet the predetermined requirements to keep the legislation on target cost wise? The simple fact that the administration is not forthcoming with data regarding enrollees and paid premiums should cast serious doubt about whether or not the program is sustainable. If it is "working" let's see the data. Finding out how many enrollees have paid is as simple as asking. So is providing the demographics on those enrollees to know if they are from the intended market of the previously uninsured, or are merely replacing insurance that was dropped due to Obamacare.
At this point I have absolutely no problem stating that Obamacare is not working as advertised. If this were a product for sale in the private market and I were an investor, I would have serious questions about whether or not I would continue to fund development based on initial results.
The Rand survey is one place to start if you want to see some data indicating that it is working. In their study that concluded before enrollment was complete they estimated that there was a net gain in coverage of 9.3 million adults as of mid March. Notice that that is adults, so the net gain would have to be higher when those under 18 are included.
http://www.rand.org/blog/2014/04/survey-...dults.html
There was also the Urban Institute report that came out at about the same time and put the number at 5.4 million.
http://hrms.urban.org/
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