A conference wide scheduling agreement right now doesn't make much sense in any sport.

However, made for TV doubleheaders for hoops in NYC, Syracuse, Louisville, Hartford, Dallas, Atlanta, Orlando,etc...obviously do. In Football ACC and AAC teams should continue to play but I see no real reason to make it a conference wide agreement.

Where's the "Donnan Kung-Fu" option?

On a similar note, where is the "Hell No" option?

We already an unofficial scheduling agreement with the SEC, several ACC members are scheduling games with the B1G and some with the PAC to address "strength of schedule". Plus, we just relieved the AAC of its best member (Louisville).

Why in the world would the ACC want to give the AAC a reason to saber rattle by placing it on a conceptual "even playing field". Answer -- "it should not".

No ACC member should feel as if it needs to agree to a home/home agreement with any AAC member, with these notable exceptions:

1) ECU vs. NC State/UNC -- state-mandated series
2) USF -- for an ACC member which doesn't have a conference game scheduled for the state of Florida and needs a trip to the state for recruiting purposes.

Please, please -- let this UConn "thing" die. :)

I think some ACC vs. American matchups make sense as regular or yearly series. For example, I'd like to see UofL continue to play UC and Memphis since we have a long history with both schools. UConn vs Cuse in MSG might make sense.

However, I don't really see a reason to promote a conference wide scheduling agreement. There isn't a lot of history or geographic overlap between the ACC and American. My vote is to leave it up to the schools to decide who to schedule.

I also voted no, but maybe a few here and there just not as a whole. I can see where ECU, UCF and ICincy few others would be great for scheduling, but teams like Memphis, Tulane, Temple don't offer much what so ever. Hopefully nothing like what is being mentioned will come about, but scheduling a few here and there does make a lot of since. I am hoping Louisville and Cincinnati can come to some sort of agreement on a home and home series in football, but the others I care less to see anytime soon.

Also one has to note what sport they are talking about when speaking of future schedules with the AAC for some teams in football yes, but not their counterparts in basketball and vice versa. Like UConn in basketball for Syracuse, BC and Pitt and Louisville, but not in football. Just like UCF would be great match up in FB, but not in basketball. The only school worth scheduling both is Cincy, but they will have a hard time IMO doing that.

(04-19-2014 10:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  but who the f*** wants to play tulsa & temple??????

I dont know, maybe one of your 30 favorite teams?

No. There's no way this is a good deal for the ACC. If an ACC school wants to play an AAC school, then schedule them in your OOC. Nothing is prohibiting them.

(04-19-2014 11:53 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 02:28 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  No. Nothing whatsoever to gain by beating Houston and ECU by 3-4 touchdowns. Let the AAC play leagues like the Mountain West and C-USA

You mean that UH team that Louisville squeaked by this year? You couldn't even win the AAC....

ECU leeched off of us for years. Who will it be this time?

The comments are pretty much what I expected. No to a formal agreement, but...

...SOME football games make sense (e.g. NC State vs. ECU, Louisville/Pitt/VT vs. Cincinnati, etc.), and SOME basketball games make sense (e.g. Syracuse vs. UConn), but it probably makes the most sense to leave that up to the individual schools to figure that out.

(04-21-2014 04:52 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 11:53 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 02:28 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  No. Nothing whatsoever to gain by beating Houston and ECU by 3-4 touchdowns. Let the AAC play leagues like the Mountain West and C-USA

You mean that UH team that Louisville squeaked by this year? You couldn't even win the AAC....

ECU leeched off of us for years. Who will it be this time?

ECU has had to scratch and claw for everything it has....what an erroneous statement .

It would be a cool agreement but the teams are too diverse. FSU, Clemson, 'Cuse and BC all have different needs. The AAC isn't diverse enough to meet those needs in a fair manner. Don't worry, UL won't have to worry about beating down little ol' ECU every year by 3-4 touchdowns, y'all wouldn't be our match up anyway. The ECU game would only provide a decent game for tobacco road fans and economic boost to NC. No other ACC teams need an extra trip to NC.

(04-20-2014 10:42 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  A conference wide scheduling agreement right now doesn't make much sense in any sport.

However, made for TV doubleheaders for hoops in NYC, Syracuse, Louisville, Hartford, Dallas, Atlanta, Orlando,etc...obviously do. In Football ACC and AAC teams should continue to play but I see no real reason to make it a conference wide agreement.

I don't think that is entirely true Mark. I still would like to see an ACC/SEC agreement in both football and basketball. My thoughts only...

(04-20-2014 03:25 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 09:11 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  No. On an individual basis some of the schools make sense. For football I'd rather play a B12 team. For BB, the only 2 teams that have any appeal are Uconn and Cincinnati.

Now you cannot leave Memphis basketball out!

I don't think you can leave Temple out either. Yeah, they had a crappy transition to the American and had the worst year I've ever seen them have, but the 6th winningest program of all time is not going to stay down long. They'll be a basketball power again soon.

(04-21-2014 06:59 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:52 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 11:53 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 02:28 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  No. Nothing whatsoever to gain by beating Houston and ECU by 3-4 touchdowns. Let the AAC play leagues like the Mountain West and C-USA

You mean that UH team that Louisville squeaked by this year? You couldn't even win the AAC....

ECU leeched off of us for years. Who will it be this time?

ECU has had to scratch and claw for everything it has....what an erroneous statement .

It would be a cool agreement but the teams are too diverse. FSU, Clemson, 'Cuse and BC all have different needs. The AAC isn't diverse enough to meet those needs in a fair manner. Don't worry, UL won't have to worry about beating down little ol' ECU every year by 3-4 touchdowns, y'all wouldn't be our match up anyway. The ECU game would only provide a decent game for tobacco road fans and economic boost to NC. No other ACC teams need an extra trip to NC.

I think you're forgetting that ACC team that you've been playing for 20 years and will be for the next 10 that specifically wants another game in NC.

(04-21-2014 05:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The comments are pretty much what I expected. No to a formal agreement, but...

...SOME football games make sense (e.g. NC State vs. ECU, Louisville/Pitt/VT vs. Cincinnati, etc.), and SOME basketball games make sense (e.g. Syracuse vs. UConn), but it probably makes the most sense to leave that up to the individual schools to figure that out.

Maybe not Syracuse vs UConn, but maybe Syracuse vs Tulane again. I missed that trip and hope we can do another agreement for a home & home. (I'm partial to Tulane for personal reasons)

(04-21-2014 07:36 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 06:59 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:52 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 11:53 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 02:28 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  No. Nothing whatsoever to gain by beating Houston and ECU by 3-4 touchdowns. Let the AAC play leagues like the Mountain West and C-USA

You mean that UH team that Louisville squeaked by this year? You couldn't even win the AAC....

ECU leeched off of us for years. Who will it be this time?

ECU has had to scratch and claw for everything it has....what an erroneous statement .

It would be a cool agreement but the teams are too diverse. FSU, Clemson, 'Cuse and BC all have different needs. The AAC isn't diverse enough to meet those needs in a fair manner. Don't worry, UL won't have to worry about beating down little ol' ECU every year by 3-4 touchdowns, y'all wouldn't be our match up anyway. The ECU game would only provide a decent game for tobacco road fans and economic boost to NC. No other ACC teams need an extra trip to NC.

I think you're forgetting that ACC team that you've been playing for 20 years and will be for the next 10 that specifically wants another game in NC.

I was thinking about that when I posted that and I'm still not sure why VT wants more games in NC than the ACC provides. Maybe it's not as much NC as it is the tidewater region. I know y'all are going to play ODU pretty soon. Or maybe y'all just like the trips to Greenville... The VT fans I know in person like the games, and most of our fans like them. I'm sure there are probably some vocal message board fans that don't really care for the series.

(04-21-2014 06:59 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  It would be a cool agreement but the teams are too diverse. FSU, Clemson, 'Cuse and BC all have different needs. The AAC isn't diverse enough to meet those needs in a fair manner.

Quote:The ECU game would only provide a decent game for tobacco road fans and economic boost to NC. No other ACC teams need an extra trip to NC.

I could see a benefit for some ACC schools to have a regular arrangement with some AAC schools. The Tobacco Road schools need to play ECU to help with lagging ticket sales in football. If Louisville is smart they keep Cincy on some sort of a regular rotation. Syracuse has limited number of regional schools to play OOC. If the scheduling changes go thru then there could be stretches where ACC teams need to play the U_F (or F_U FWIW) twins to get Florida exposure for recruiting.

But then you have schools like Clemson. Unless the ACC goes complete retard with football scheduling (of course this is the ACC so that isn't as far fetched a possibility as it would be in other conferences) we will have a game against both a NC and FL school every year and will not need the exposure. We don't need to bring in ECU to sell tickets like UNC and NC State. The only AAC team we really have any history of note with is Tulane and unless something has changed we refuse to schedule Tulane for backing out of a game at the last minute in 2001. Other than an OOC game nobody else in the AAC moves the needle for Clemson. A formal arrangement between the conferences would be a bad thing for Clemson, and several other football schools. That being the case and the way the ACC has typically handled football issues I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the ACC office is working on an agreement right now.

(04-21-2014 08:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 06:59 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  It would be a cool agreement but the teams are too diverse. FSU, Clemson, 'Cuse and BC all have different needs. The AAC isn't diverse enough to meet those needs in a fair manner.

Quote:The ECU game would only provide a decent game for tobacco road fans and economic boost to NC. No other ACC teams need an extra trip to NC.

I could see a benefit for some ACC schools to have a regular arrangement with some AAC schools. The Tobacco Road schools need to play ECU to help with lagging ticket sales in football. If Louisville is smart they keep Cincy on some sort of a regular rotation. Syracuse has limited number of regional schools to play OOC. If the scheduling changes go thru then there could be stretches where ACC teams need to play the U_F (or F_U FWIW) twins to get Florida exposure for recruiting.

But then you have schools like Clemson. Unless the ACC goes complete retard with football scheduling (of course this is the ACC so that isn't as far fetched a possibility as it would be in other conferences) we will have a game against both a NC and FL school every year and will not need the exposure. We don't need to bring in ECU to sell tickets like UNC and NC State. The only AAC team we really have any history of note with is Tulane and unless something has changed we refuse to schedule Tulane for backing out of a game at the last minute in 2001. Other than an OOC game nobody else in the AAC moves the needle for Clemson. A formal arrangement between the conferences would be a bad thing for Clemson, and several other football schools. That being the case and the way the ACC has typically handled football issues I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the ACC office is working on an agreement right now.

Right. Schools like Clemson would really have no benefit. The only spin I could even put on it is for SOS. If there's a playoff spot between Clemson and another P5 school, and that P5 has played an FCS, 2P5 and a sunbelt schools where Clemson has played an FCS, USC, UGA and Houston, Clemson would get the nod OOC.

Our FB team does have 1 connection to Clemson..Ruff got his Master's there. I'm sure that's enough to get a H&H, right??

I voted no. Nothing against scheduling individual teams - I believe both Duke and Tech are starting series with Tulane soon, and Duke has some history with Navy and Temple, as do others I'm sure.

If the ACC wants a football scheduling agreement, set up something with the SEC and the Big 12.

Pair up the obvious rivals (FSU-UF, GT-UGA, Clem-SC, UL-UK, Pitt-WVU, TAMU-UT, Missouri-Kansas) annually and rotate games among the rest. Maybe gin up some other annual rivals to make the math work (I have not checked the math) -- VT/UT is a natural I-81 rivalry and some combination of Vandy and Wake and Duke and Baylor would work.

(04-21-2014 09:55 PM)opossum Wrote:  I voted no. Nothing against scheduling individual teams - I believe both Duke and Tech are starting series with Tulane soon, and Duke has some history with Navy and Temple, as do others I'm sure.

If the ACC wants a football scheduling agreement, set up something with the SEC and the Big 12.

Pair up the obvious rivals (FSU-UF, GT-UGA, Clem-SC, UL-UK, Pitt-WVU, TAMU-UT, Missouri-Kansas) annually and rotate games among the rest. Maybe gin up some other annual rivals to make the math work (I have not checked the math) -- VT/UT is a natural I-81 rivalry and some combination of Vandy and Wake and Duke and Baylor would work.

I would love to see Syracuse and Pitt alternate playing WVU and PSU. I like the idea of a 2-1 game against a mixture of Tulane, UConn, UMASS, and Buffalo, and a yearly FCS body bag game against Cornell and Colgate, too. The last game could be against teams like UMD, RU, NW, Vandy, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, and so on.

I would also love to play Georgetown, Villanova, UConn, and St, John's in basketball OOC every year.

Similarly, I would love to play JHU and Cornell in lax every year, with games against two of Princeton, UMD, and Army every year.

as a conference, i don't really see much benefit there is to have a schedule alliance with a non power 6 conference that got weaker (forget what happened in conference last season, losing louisville which was one of the better teams in the conference the last couple of years and replacing them with tulsa, tulane, and east carolina is a step back). if you win, what did you gain, especially if that game was not against cincy, ucf, or houston? if you lose, what did you lose overall? not a smart play.

however i think it makes hella sense for some teams to play. ecu vs. all the carolina schools/clemson. uofl vs uc. fsu vs. ucf or continuing with usf. pitt vs. temple. with notre dame on board for 6 (?) games a year schools i don't think are hurting for games to be filled.

(04-21-2014 10:26 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I would love to see Syracuse and Pitt alternate playing WVU and PSU. I like the idea of a 2-1 game against a mixture of Tulane, UConn, UMASS, and Buffalo, and a yearly FCS body bag game against Cornell and Colgate, too. The last game could be against teams like UMD, RU, NW, Vandy, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, and so on.

I would also love to play Georgetown, Villanova, UConn, and St, John's in basketball OOC every year.

Similarly, I would love to play JHU and Cornell in lax every year, with games against two of Princeton, UMD, and Army every year.

I hope UMD is able to maintain ACC schools on the schedule. An ACC/B10 scheduling alliance in all sports makes sense, especially given the success of The Challenge.