(04-07-2014 11:47 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I wouldn't read too much into it. Dixon was given a lot of freedom offensively and our system prizes guards than can create off the dribble.

I assume that me meant that Ollie is a player's coach in context, severely doubt he is dissing a coach that believed in him and gave him heavy run.

That is too logical.

Remember- you CANNOT congratulate or give props to another school- you MUST use that to bash Memphis- which- was pretty good this past season too- although unfortunately short of great.

Remember- this is not about the University of Memphis- but has become a Memphis area fan board...

Personally, I didn't feel that it was a jab at CJP. I just felt he was giving props to Ollie and UCONN. People always want to extrapolate more than is there.

(04-08-2014 09:29 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Personally, I didn't feel that it was a jab at CJP. I just felt he was giving props to Ollie and UCONN. People always want to extrapolate more than is there.

I agree. Wow people will make a mountain out of a mole hill. Some of the comments from Tiger fans to Dixon were classless.

[b][i]I think he believing in his players comment is the shot..


If anything I would say Josh believed in his player too much, at least the 4 senior guards anyway. Pastner pretty much said from day 1 that he was going to ride that 4-man senior guard rotation, and true to his word that is what he did. Problem with that was that a couple of those guys didn't have the season we were hoping for, they often put their heads down when they fell behind, and in spite of our back-court experience, no floor-leader emerged.

Still Josh chose to live and die with their performance when we actually had excellent perimeter length(albeit very young length) on the bench (King, Wilson, Iverson) to at the least switch things up a little bit by playing with a more traditional lineup some.

If you listen to the post-game interview with Coach Pastner from our 1st loss of the season at Oklahoma State, and then listen to the post-game interview with him after our season ending loss to Virginia in the round of 32, things would not sound very different. We played glass-jaw basketball in November, and we were still playing glass-jaw basketball in March!!!!

UCONN run was about the player believing in Ollie just as much as they believed in him. The difference, it Napier could control the game. Napier and boatwright could hit a shot on anyone except Louisville. None of our guards could control a game against elite competition like that. It happens to all coaches. Even cal admitted he was lost and couldn't help his team out any last night.

(04-08-2014 06:55 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 01:28 AM)lenetzach Wrote:  So for those who think its a criticism, I want to get this right - the theory is that Ollie is a champion because he doesn't coach too much. I bet the same people crucify our coach for talking about the importance of recruiting and players making plays, etc. Maybe Dixon thinks that's the right way to coach and people shouldn't criticize players' coaches. But we sure didn't have a Napier. No offense to any of our players, but shots that are bad shots for them are not for him bc he makes them.

I think he believing in his players comment is the shot...

You know when you get pulled for missing a shot or the what have you done for me lately substitution pattern that Pastner employs...If you truly believe in your guys you allow them to make mistakes and miss shots because you believe they are capable. If you don't believe you sit them next to you and hope the next guy does better. OUR GUYS PLAY SCARED when out there due to this.

If you think he takes them out for missing shots then you don't pay much attention.

They are taken out because they take bad shots and then they don't get back on defense and then come back down and take another bad shot.

As a coach you can't let a player stay in after doing that.

(04-08-2014 06:55 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 01:28 AM)lenetzach Wrote:  So for those who think its a criticism, I want to get this right - the theory is that Ollie is a champion because he doesn't coach too much. I bet the same people crucify our coach for talking about the importance of recruiting and players making plays, etc. Maybe Dixon thinks that's the right way to coach and people shouldn't criticize players' coaches. But we sure didn't have a Napier. No offense to any of our players, but shots that are bad shots for them are not for him bc he makes them.

I think he believing in his players comment is the shot...

You know when you get pulled for missing a shot or the what have you done for me lately substitution pattern that Pastner employs...If you truly believe in your guys you allow them to make mistakes and miss shots because you believe they are capable. If you don't believe you sit them next to you and hope the next guy does better. OUR GUYS PLAY SCARED when out there due to this.

Isn't Pastner getting the most flack for saying that he was riding with the senior guards and that he believed in them, no matter how poor they played?

Now, to fit the idea to a tweet from Dixon, Pastner DOESN'T believe in his players?

C'mon, at least keep the talking points straight.

Fact of the matter is that Dixon was giving Ollie a compliment. Only the absurdly paranoid would take that as any sort of shot at his current coach who gave Dixon a second chance at playing basketball.

(04-08-2014 10:49 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 06:55 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 01:28 AM)lenetzach Wrote:  So for those who think its a criticism, I want to get this right - the theory is that Ollie is a champion because he doesn't coach too much. I bet the same people crucify our coach for talking about the importance of recruiting and players making plays, etc. Maybe Dixon thinks that's the right way to coach and people shouldn't criticize players' coaches. But we sure didn't have a Napier. No offense to any of our players, but shots that are bad shots for them are not for him bc he makes them.

I think he believing in his players comment is the shot...

You know when you get pulled for missing a shot or the what have you done for me lately substitution pattern that Pastner employs...If you truly believe in your guys you allow them to make mistakes and miss shots because you believe they are capable. If you don't believe you sit them next to you and hope the next guy does better. OUR GUYS PLAY SCARED when out there due to this.

If you think he takes them out for missing shots then you don't pay much attention.

They are taken out because they take bad shots and then they don't get back on defense and then come back down and take another bad shot.

As a coach you can't let a player stay in after doing that.

Explain why Chris Crawford played so much then ?

(04-08-2014 11:42 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 10:49 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 06:55 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 01:28 AM)lenetzach Wrote:  So for those who think its a criticism, I want to get this right - the theory is that Ollie is a champion because he doesn't coach too much. I bet the same people crucify our coach for talking about the importance of recruiting and players making plays, etc. Maybe Dixon thinks that's the right way to coach and people shouldn't criticize players' coaches. But we sure didn't have a Napier. No offense to any of our players, but shots that are bad shots for them are not for him bc he makes them.

I think he believing in his players comment is the shot...

You know when you get pulled for missing a shot or the what have you done for me lately substitution pattern that Pastner employs...If you truly believe in your guys you allow them to make mistakes and miss shots because you believe they are capable. If you don't believe you sit them next to you and hope the next guy does better. OUR GUYS PLAY SCARED when out there due to this.

If you think he takes them out for missing shots then you don't pay much attention.

They are taken out because they take bad shots and then they don't get back on defense and then come back down and take another bad shot.

As a coach you can't let a player stay in after doing that.

Explain why Chris Crawford played so much then ?

I thought Crawford generally took good shots, just didn't cash them in at a rate we all hoped for.

Of our four guards, I'd say Dixon probably had the happiest 'trigger', which is funny, b/c he hit a lot of shots that probably weren't great looks.

He was referring to Ollie believing in the established roles of his players…Napier was clearly a leader on the floor and the team respected him - that's what I got out of what he said.

Our team lacked leadership and did not always respect each other. If anything it was a shot to the team, but I don't think it's anything but a compliment to UConn.

(04-08-2014 11:39 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 06:55 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 01:28 AM)lenetzach Wrote:  So for those who think its a criticism, I want to get this right - the theory is that Ollie is a champion because he doesn't coach too much. I bet the same people crucify our coach for talking about the importance of recruiting and players making plays, etc. Maybe Dixon thinks that's the right way to coach and people shouldn't criticize players' coaches. But we sure didn't have a Napier. No offense to any of our players, but shots that are bad shots for them are not for him bc he makes them.

I think he believing in his players comment is the shot...

You know when you get pulled for missing a shot or the what have you done for me lately substitution pattern that Pastner employs...If you truly believe in your guys you allow them to make mistakes and miss shots because you believe they are capable. If you don't believe you sit them next to you and hope the next guy does better. OUR GUYS PLAY SCARED when out there due to this.

Isn't Pastner getting the most flack for saying that he was riding with the senior guards and that he believed in them, no matter how poor they played?

Now, to fit the idea to a tweet from Dixon, Pastner DOESN'T believe in his players?

C'mon, at least keep the talking points straight.

Fact of the matter is that Dixon was giving Ollie a compliment. Only the absurdly paranoid would take that as any sort of shot at his current coach who gave Dixon a second chance at playing basketball.

LOL...Ya got it twisted...

Belief means you ride with a guy even if he plays poorly for a stretch...Pastner doesn't do that...If you play poorly you sit.

Bottom line...Free thinkers don't have talking points so don't try to put me in a box.

(04-08-2014 11:42 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 10:49 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 06:55 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 01:28 AM)lenetzach Wrote:  So for those who think its a criticism, I want to get this right - the theory is that Ollie is a champion because he doesn't coach too much. I bet the same people crucify our coach for talking about the importance of recruiting and players making plays, etc. Maybe Dixon thinks that's the right way to coach and people shouldn't criticize players' coaches. But we sure didn't have a Napier. No offense to any of our players, but shots that are bad shots for them are not for him bc he makes them.

I think he believing in his players comment is the shot...

You know when you get pulled for missing a shot or the what have you done for me lately substitution pattern that Pastner employs...If you truly believe in your guys you allow them to make mistakes and miss shots because you believe they are capable. If you don't believe you sit them next to you and hope the next guy does better. OUR GUYS PLAY SCARED when out there due to this.

If you think he takes them out for missing shots then you don't pay much attention.

They are taken out because they take bad shots and then they don't get back on defense and then come back down and take another bad shot.

As a coach you can't let a player stay in after doing that.

Explain why Chris Crawford played so much then ?

Chris understood to quit shooting when he was missing.

(04-08-2014 10:49 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 06:55 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 01:28 AM)lenetzach Wrote:  So for those who think its a criticism, I want to get this right - the theory is that Ollie is a champion because he doesn't coach too much. I bet the same people crucify our coach for talking about the importance of recruiting and players making plays, etc. Maybe Dixon thinks that's the right way to coach and people shouldn't criticize players' coaches. But we sure didn't have a Napier. No offense to any of our players, but shots that are bad shots for them are not for him bc he makes them.

I think he believing in his players comment is the shot...

You know when you get pulled for missing a shot or the what have you done for me lately substitution pattern that Pastner employs...If you truly believe in your guys you allow them to make mistakes and miss shots because you believe they are capable. If you don't believe you sit them next to you and hope the next guy does better. OUR GUYS PLAY SCARED when out there due to this.

If you think he takes them out for missing shots then you don't pay much attention.

They are taken out because they take bad shots and then they don't get back on defense and then come back down and take another bad shot.

As a coach you can't let a player stay in after doing that.

If you pull a guy for a bad shot, you pull him period...Whether it goes in or not...And you don't pull his replacement from the scorers table because he hit the next one.

You punish the decision not the result...Geron at UT last year was a prime example...Both huge 3's he hit were horrible shots, but they went in and he continued to play...If he misses those he is on the bench for taking bad shots.

(04-07-2014 11:42 PM)whoyarootinfor Wrote:  Anyone else see this?

https://twitter.com/M1keD1xonJR/status/4...0297942016

A little backhanded comment about our coach?

gone

(04-08-2014 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  LOL...Ya got it twisted...

Belief means you ride with a guy even if he plays poorly for a stretch...Pastner doesn't do that...If you play poorly you sit.

Bottom line...Free thinkers don't have talking points so don't try to put me in a box.

Fair enough on the free thinkers part. But Pastner clearly rode with the senior guards regardless, how can you say he sat them for playing poorly? That just didn't happen.

(04-08-2014 01:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  If you pull a guy for a bad shot, you pull him period...Whether it goes in or not...And you don't pull his replacement from the scorers table because he hit the next one.

You punish the decision not the result...Geron at UT last year was a prime example...Both huge 3's he hit were horrible shots, but they went in and he continued to play...If he misses those he is on the bench for taking bad shots.

No coach on earth actually does this. None.

(04-08-2014 02:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  LOL...Ya got it twisted...

Belief means you ride with a guy even if he plays poorly for a stretch...Pastner doesn't do that...If you play poorly you sit.

Bottom line...Free thinkers don't have talking points so don't try to put me in a box.

Fair enough on the free thinkers part. But Pastner clearly rode with the senior guards regardless, how can you say he sat them for playing poorly? That just didn't happen.

He had his core guys...4 guards for 3 spots...

But he pulled them with a what have you done for me lately pattern...Not I believe you are my guy...He essentially Willie Kemped them.

(04-08-2014 02:11 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 01:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  If you pull a guy for a bad shot, you pull him period...Whether it goes in or not...And you don't pull his replacement from the scorers table because he hit the next one.

You punish the decision not the result...Geron at UT last year was a prime example...Both huge 3's he hit were horrible shots, but they went in and he continued to play...If he misses those he is on the bench for taking bad shots.

No coach on earth actually does this. None.

I agree but Josh has to learn to allow bad shots because he believes his guys will hit them...The only guys who got that rope since he has been here are Elliot and Will. Everyone else has been punished early and often for mistakes.

I am not saying bench a guy for making a bad shot...I am also saying don't bench a guy unless he consistently takes bad shots...You don't bench him for missing one one second then he then you pull the guy from the scorers table because he makes the next. That shows the players that if they are not performing RIGHT NOW he is going to roll with someone else.

(04-08-2014 02:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 02:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  LOL...Ya got it twisted...

Belief means you ride with a guy even if he plays poorly for a stretch...Pastner doesn't do that...If you play poorly you sit.

Bottom line...Free thinkers don't have talking points so don't try to put me in a box.

Fair enough on the free thinkers part. But Pastner clearly rode with the senior guards regardless, how can you say he sat them for playing poorly? That just didn't happen.

He had his core guys...4 guards for 3 spots...

But he pulled them with a what have you done for me lately pattern...Not I believe you are my guy...He essentially Willie Kemped them.

When did any of the guards get pulled for more than a few minutes per game? I didn't see that at all.

(04-08-2014 02:24 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I agree but Josh has to learn to allow bad shots because he believes his guys will hit them...The only guys who got that rope since he has been here are Elliot and Will. Everyone else has been punished early and often for mistakes.

I am not saying bench a guy for making a bad shot...I am also saying don't bench a guy unless he consistently takes bad shots...You don't bench him for missing one one second then he then you pull the guy from the scorers table because he makes the next. That shows the players that if they are not performing RIGHT NOW he is going to roll with someone else.

Well, he should be punishing everyone for mistakes within reason, but Crawford shot many, many bad shots and wasn't benched. Geron dribbled off his foot every game and gave up horribly dumb fouls 40 ft from the basket and he wasn't benched. Dixon took some of the most selfish shots ever and played matador defense late in the year and he wasn't benched. JJ turned into one big turnover, and missed about every 3 he took and he wasn't benched.

But if a player, especially one of your scorers, makes (as in converts) a bad shot not coach in his right mind is going to yank him. You leave him in and hope he gets hot. That's just not practical.