(04-02-2014 05:46 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 05:38 PM)FCBE TIGER Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 01:53 PM)cmt Wrote:  They just were not that good. Stoudamire had already coached them against Michigan State, right?

Come on guys, we made the NCAAs and won a game. Let's move on. Maybe next season's guards will be better. Maybe Shaq and Austin and Dominic will get better. Maybe we'll do better.

You do realize most every season for most every team ends worse than this.

Is this what MEMPHIS basketball has become? Are we now relegated to winning one game in the tourney and calling it a successful year? Don't know if this is the type of fan I can be; excited and satisfied with making the round of 32....

I don't think anyone is excited or satisfied, just a little more patient.

This question is SPECIFICALLY for you. How much longer would you give CJP to win more than 1 game in the tournament?

(04-02-2014 04:05 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Fault or not, that's a circular discussion to get into. Stoudamire was a great assistant. Good job to Pastner for hiring him, poor job on Pastner's part for letting him get away...

C'mon......most head coaches understand that quality assistants will leave, and fully expect them to do so. That's reality. Josh "let" him get away? Hardly. He left. And more power to him for doing so, if he felt it was time to move on.

Blame JP for plenty of things, but please be realistic when doing so.

(04-02-2014 06:03 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 05:46 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 05:38 PM)FCBE TIGER Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 01:53 PM)cmt Wrote:  They just were not that good. Stoudamire had already coached them against Michigan State, right?

Come on guys, we made the NCAAs and won a game. Let's move on. Maybe next season's guards will be better. Maybe Shaq and Austin and Dominic will get better. Maybe we'll do better.

You do realize most every season for most every team ends worse than this.

Is this what MEMPHIS basketball has become? Are we now relegated to winning one game in the tourney and calling it a successful year? Don't know if this is the type of fan I can be; excited and satisfied with making the round of 32....

I don't think anyone is excited or satisfied, just a little more patient.

This question is SPECIFICALLY for you. How much longer would you give CJP to win more than 1 game in the tournament?

I honestly don't know. I may lose all patience next year...I just don't know.

(04-02-2014 11:32 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  I think that may have been one of the reasons for the regression of the guard corp this season. Joe and Geron took noticeable steps back from last season, and Crawford didn't improve. Mean while Johnson had an All-American type season and McConnell made the transition from mid-major to big boy league without missing a beat.

I think Crawford did improve this year.

This was the most consistent he played in his entire 4 year run. He went into a slump and almost disappeared for stretches his first 3 years. Not this this year.

It though JJ has his best floor game of his career as well. He just lost all confidence in his midrange and outside jumper. A lot of the other parts of his game seem steadier than ever.

(04-02-2014 07:22 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:32 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  I think that may have been one of the reasons for the regression of the guard corp this season. Joe and Geron took noticeable steps back from last season, and Crawford didn't improve. Mean while Johnson had an All-American type season and McConnell made the transition from mid-major to big boy league without missing a beat.

I think Crawford did improve this year.

This was the most consistent he played in his entire 4 year run. He went into a slump and almost disappeared for stretches his first 3 years. Not this this year.

It though JJ has his best floor game of his career as well. He just lost all confidence in his midrange and outside jumper. A lot of the other parts of his game seem steadier than ever.

I dont think Crawford improved much in his four years at playing at Memphis, but thats just my opinion. His defense was atrocious

(04-02-2014 07:42 PM)tigers311 Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 07:22 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:32 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  I think that may have been one of the reasons for the regression of the guard corp this season. Joe and Geron took noticeable steps back from last season, and Crawford didn't improve. Mean while Johnson had an All-American type season and McConnell made the transition from mid-major to big boy league without missing a beat.

I think Crawford did improve this year.

This was the most consistent he played in his entire 4 year run. He went into a slump and almost disappeared for stretches his first 3 years. Not this this year.

It though JJ has his best floor game of his career as well. He just lost all confidence in his midrange and outside jumper. A lot of the other parts of his game seem steadier than ever.

I dont think Crawford improved much in his four years at playing at Memphis, but thats just my opinion. His defense was atrocious

I don't think this defense improved either.

But his consistency was undeniably the best of his career this year.

That was a real weakness his first 3 years.

(04-02-2014 04:07 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Stoudamire was a big Pookie fan ...

and vice versa.

(04-02-2014 01:53 PM)cmt Wrote:  They just were not that good. Stoudamire had already coached them against Michigan State, right?

Come on guys, we made the NCAAs and won a game. Let's move on. Maybe next season's guards will be better. Maybe Shaq and Austin and Dominic will get better. Maybe we'll do better.

You do realize most every season for most every team ends worse than this.

Weren't the guards really, really good against Michigan State?

(04-02-2014 06:07 PM)Hoots Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 04:05 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Fault or not, that's a circular discussion to get into. Stoudamire was a great assistant. Good job to Pastner for hiring him, poor job on Pastner's part for letting him get away...

C'mon......most head coaches understand that quality assistants will leave, and fully expect them to do so. That's reality. Josh "let" him get away? Hardly. He left. And more power to him for doing so, if he felt it was time to move on.

Blame JP for plenty of things, but please be realistic when doing so.

The coach is blameless for not keeping quality assistants? Assistants that obviously raise the level of the guard play? Who hires these guys, if not Pastner?

Stoudamire will come and go, but does someone else have a say over who his replacement is, other than Josh? I'm confused as to what your point is. Damon can leave, but it's ok for the coach to hire an inferior assistant?

(04-02-2014 07:22 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:32 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  I think that may have been one of the reasons for the regression of the guard corp this season. Joe and Geron took noticeable steps back from last season, and Crawford didn't improve. Mean while Johnson had an All-American type season and McConnell made the transition from mid-major to big boy league without missing a beat.

I think Crawford did improve this year.

This was the most consistent he played in his entire 4 year run. He went into a slump and almost disappeared for stretches his first 3 years. Not this this year.

It though JJ has his best floor game of his career as well. He just lost all confidence in his midrange and outside jumper. A lot of the other parts of his game seem steadier than ever.

That's arguable. Crawford was steady, although I'm not sure his D was quite where it was last season. That could've been because of the new rules though. He didn't get worse, like Geron and Joe and that was my main point.

(04-02-2014 08:12 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 01:53 PM)cmt Wrote:  They just were not that good. Stoudamire had already coached them against Michigan State, right?

Come on guys, we made the NCAAs and won a game. Let's move on. Maybe next season's guards will be better. Maybe Shaq and Austin and Dominic will get better. Maybe we'll do better.

You do realize most every season for most every team ends worse than this.

Weren't the guards really, really good against Michigan State?

Joe and Geron combined to go 11 for 27 with 18 points, 11 boards, 5 assists, 3 steals, and 8 turnovers. I believe that is the game Joe had to change jersey's at the half.

(04-02-2014 08:36 PM)cleveland2854 Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 08:12 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 01:53 PM)cmt Wrote:  They just were not that good. Stoudamire had already coached them against Michigan State, right?

Come on guys, we made the NCAAs and won a game. Let's move on. Maybe next season's guards will be better. Maybe Shaq and Austin and Dominic will get better. Maybe we'll do better.

You do realize most every season for most every team ends worse than this.

Weren't the guards really, really good against Michigan State?

Joe and Geron combined to go 11 for 27 with 18 points, 11 boards, 5 assists, 3 steals, and 8 turnovers. I believe that is the game Joe had to change jersey's at the half.

Ha, Geron and Joe scored 28, not 18; plus we only scored 48 points that game, and only had 29 boards. They let Gary Harris go off for a bazillion, but Joe rode Keith Appling into the ground.

Shaq and Tarik combined for 6 pts, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 TOs and 7 fouls. Their counterparts (Dix and Payne) went for 27 pts, 18 rebounds, 5 blocks, 6 steals, 5 TOs and only 5 fouls.

(04-02-2014 01:17 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 01:07 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:34 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Oh boy...Stoudamire's fault?

No, no, no. Josh's fault for not keeping Stoudamire. The players should never be held accountable for not retaining anything they learned from the previous year. It's always good to have start the coaching process over every year even with seniors.

Not saying fault, we're just missing his guidance and leadership from a mentoring coaching perspective....I really think that's what emanates within the players from mentors such as Johnny Dawkins;Tommy Amaker and Kevin Ollie...The players can associate and rel8 to them in such a more intimate manor (basketball-wise) and this intimacy translates very effectively on the basketball floor...

It is a huge issue with Pastner and I agree completely. Shaka Smart credits his playing days at Kenyon College, and Brad Stevens often references his career at DePauw University as vital to their abilities to mentor and lead major D1 basketball players. Players are able to relate to that massive success on a very meaningful level.

(04-02-2014 04:07 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Stoudamire was a big Pookie fan ...

A big Markel fan too.

(04-02-2014 08:15 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 06:07 PM)Hoots Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 04:05 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Fault or not, that's a circular discussion to get into. Stoudamire was a great assistant. Good job to Pastner for hiring him, poor job on Pastner's part for letting him get away...

C'mon......most head coaches understand that quality assistants will leave, and fully expect them to do so. That's reality. Josh "let" him get away? Hardly. He left. And more power to him for doing so, if he felt it was time to move on.

Blame JP for plenty of things, but please be realistic when doing so.

The coach is blameless for not keeping quality assistants? Assistants that obviously raise the level of the guard play? Who hires these guys, if not Pastner?

Stoudamire will come and go, but does someone else have a say over who his replacement is, other than Josh? I'm confused as to what your point is. Damon can leave, but it's ok for the coach to hire an inferior assistant?

You're making two different points. What I am saying is....Josh has little control over an assistant leaving. He DOES have control over who he hires to replace that assistant. You make it sound like assistants stay solely at the discretion of the head coach, which is wrong. Assistants at that level, by and large, are looking for their own opportunities.

We got rolled a Michigan State the same we we got rolled vs. UVA...

Guards were one dimensional and the entire team has no idea how to play defense.