(03-23-2014 07:53 PM)meangreener Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 07:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 06:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 04:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 10:34 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Your lineup amuses me. I see no reason why Rice, UTEP, and UTSA would want to leave North Texas behind, in favor of adding Texas State. That would be dumb. You're obviously a fan of Texas State and want them out of the Sun Belt, but they wouldn't get a spot in that mythical conference ahead of North Texas. Also, three teams in Louisiana is too many. No need for ULL.

Even if the P5s separated and formed their own division, the G5s wouldn't just throw away their conferences and start over. There isn't going to be a new SWC. C-USA West is the closest you are going to get, and Houston and SMU left it.

C-USA West
Rice
North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
LA Tech
Southern Miss

If there was a separation between the G5 and P5 there might be quite a bit of change. The money would plummet and it would make no more sense for CUSA schools to travel halfway across the nation than the it would for the AAC to so the same thing. That was the whole point of my post. Would CUSA west still want to be part of CUSA east? Maybe, but it might not be that great an idea anymore. The east might prefer to be in a conference like this---

UConn
Cinci
Temple
Navy
ECU
UCF
USF
Marshall
ODU
FIA
FIU
UAB

The west might prefer to something closer to the mini-SWC I suggested.

Btw--no offense was intended. UNT could be in it as well. I included Texas State (Austin DMA) rather than N Tx because SMU was already in Dallas. The only reason I double dipped in Houston was because I started with the remaining G5 members of the SWC. I didn't put in UTEP because of distance and because I think they would be better with a western league. To be honest, the mini SWC might work better as a round robin so you'd have to drop one Texas schools and one Louisiana school. On the other hand, you could add UNT and another current CUSA school (maybe UAB or MTSU) to get to 14. Going to 14 might not matter in a post G5/P5 split environment since the money would be negligible anyway. The lower division conferences (the Southland for instance) tend to be more congenial than business like in their decision making---so going to 14 or more to accommodate all the interested Texas area teams might not be a big deal. Like I said, at that point I think the media value will be so low that it ceases to be the driving factor behind conference construction.

UConn, Cincy, UCF, and USF would never entertain the idea of conferencing with the F_U's. So I can't see your Eastern conference working either. And, there is no other team in Texas that dominates their market more then UT dominates Austin.

Doesn't matter if the University of Texas dominates Austin. Its not like any G5 dominates a major city. None. Not one. North Texas gets 18K in a metro area of 6 million. So I have no idea what point you are trying to make with that statement. Houston gets 25-30K in a city of 5 million. No G5 team "dominates" in any large city I can think of.

Your right. In the current environment, there would be no reason a AAC team will consider either of the conferences mentioned. But we are not talking about the current environment. If the P5 split from the G5 you will see a lot of things you never saw before because nobody left behind will matter any more than anyone in FCS matters now. How many times did N Texas have 20-30K at home when they were playing D1-AA/FCS? How often were Southland Conference games televised during that period? How much did the Southland make on TV? With the Southland income--how often did they consider adding FCS teams from Florida? Southland type money will be what athletic budgets will be dealing with in a G5/P5 split environment. Nobody cares about the divisions below FBS. Its always been that way. There wont be any money to fly athletics to far away more well known schools. So AAC schools wont be able to afford any snobbery. Smaller more regional conferences will be required to cut costs. As ticket sales decrease to FCS levels, donations drop, and TV money vanishes, the schools involved in half continent conferences like CUSA, the Sunbelt, and the AAC will be forced reorganize in order to keep their cash starved athletic departments solvent.

North Texas gets 20K for FCS teams often. Our attendance is rapidly increasing. We'll be fine. You should word your sentences better.

Also, we're on the extreme outside of our metro area, UH is in the center. Not really a fair situation. Denton isn't even considered a suburb but is in the metro area. I'd say we dominate OUR town, though as Denton is definitely a "college" town in every sense of the word (in fact, was voted best college town in Texas) I mean, even our Waffle House on the other side of town is green. The area surrounding UH is mostly Cougar Red, most of the inner loop is. I'd say UH dominates Houston, with A&M close behind.

Your argument is flawed.

Swings and misses. You missed the entire point. Denton, Dallas, Houston, New York, Tokyo....it wont matter. Any team no longer playing at the top level of football will be irrelevant. You keep trying to make this a North Texas Johnson measuring exhibition. It has nothing to do with North Texas. It has to do with how football fans view college sports. In a split environment, those that are left behind will eventually drift down to FCS levels of support. That said, mine is just one persons opinion. Enjoy the thread, I'm going to stop responding on this one.

(03-23-2014 06:40 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 03:38 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  Really?? Are you implying that you see no benefit in being in CUSA vs being in the Sun Belt? As I've mentioned before, ULL recent success has very little to do with being in the Sun Belt and a lot to do with ULL. On the other hand, ULL's limited access to bowls, limited exposure and low TV revenue has everything to do with the Sun Belt and very little to do with ULL.

The Sun Belt was stronger than CUSA and even the MWC last year. That doesn't mean it is the better conference. The better conference is the one who offers its members the better TV deals, bowls and exposure. That is not up for debate.

Where did I say that the Belt was the 'better' conference? I didn't. I took exception to BR's comment that the Belt was 'severely weakened' by the loss of UNT, MTSU, and the F_U's and provided evidence to support my view. When I asked him for examples to support his assertion, he weakly tried to change the subject.

And no, I'm not implying that there would be no benefit to the Cajuns competing in C-USA. I'm implying that the potential reward for making what I view as a lateral move may not justify the cost and risks. C-USA isn't anything near the conference in football that it was just a few years ago, no? Football is where my interets lie. Yeah, you guys get better exposure in basketball which is why I'm sure several of your top teams got NCAA bids this year. But beyond that, I don't see the huge benefits some here proclaim.

The Cajun program has solid football rivalries in the Belt that draw excellent crowds and I'm firmly convinced that the addition of App State and Georgia Southern, historically two perennial powers in FCS football, will prove to be solid additions and only strengthen the Belt's growing reputation as a football conference.

As for your other comments about what makes the better conference, I'm not concerned about the bowl issue at all. That's improving for us each year and if the Cajuns take care of business, with their proven fan support, they'll play post-season. C-USA has an edge in TV deals though if one spends a few minutes looking at threads on this site, there's a whale of moaning about how piss-poor they are. That also includes threads about what a dreadful job your commissioner is doing and how perception of the league is in the tank. With the exception of bad-mouthing the commissioner, I've seen similar comments on the AAC forum as well.

In a nutshell, in one form or another, we're all in the same boat as a result of the negative fallout of realignment. Some of us are just better able to accept reality it appears.

You speak as a fan, which you are. Not a business man. College sports is a business and if give any business man the profile of both leagues, meaning TV revenues, exposure, bowl access and financial state, there's no question as to which they'd consider the better choice. That is a fact which is supported by the presidents of 5 universities who chose CUSA over staying in the Belt.

The difference in TV exposure and revenue are not equal. There's still a substantial difference between both leagues. One has a TV deal, the other doesn't. The difference is Enough that allows CUSA to poach Sun Belt teams at will. You might not see it since you are looking at this from a fan perspective and not a business man. CUSA is far from a lateral move.

It is convenient for you to pretend that you want no part of the new CUSA and that you're happy to be in the Belt when you have no other choice but to be there. That behavior is completely understandable and predictable.

(03-23-2014 08:31 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  You speak as a fan, which you are. Not a business man. College sports is a business and if give any business man the profile of both leagues, meaning TV revenues, exposure, bowl access and financial state, there's no question as to which they'd consider the better choice. That is a fact which is supported by the presidents of 5 universities who chose CUSA over staying in the Belt.

The difference in TV exposure and revenue are not equal. There's still a substantial difference between both leagues. One has a TV deal, the other doesn't. The difference is Enough that allows CUSA to poach Sun Belt teams at will. You might not see it since you are looking at this from a fan perspective and not a business man. CUSA is far from a lateral move.

It is convenient for you to pretend that you want no part of the new CUSA and that you're happy to be in the Belt when you have no other choice but to be there. That behavior is completely understandable and predictable.

Wow, this is rich. Now I'm being lectured about business smarts.

Just for the record, at age 47 I sold my company to a NYSE-traded competitor and retired. I now live and 'work' in S. America, Venezuela to be exact, and am successfully growing several lines of business (completely unrelated to what I did before) in a country that CNN Money rated as the toughest in the industrialized world in which to start a business.

What I recognize in the Sun Belt, specificially as it relates to football, is value, under-rated value to be exact. I don't see the same in C-USA, especially after that last round of realignment, and a number of C-USA forum members agree with me on this point. C-USA clearly has a focus on basketball, and that's fine, do what you think you're best at but don't try to sell me a package of fluff.

As for your comment about my 'pretending' to want no part of the New C-USA as you call, please mark my words. Under existing circumstances, if an offer of C-USA membership is ever extended, and that offer is accepted by the Cajun PTB, yours truly will be the first to say that they're making a mistake. Lord knows I've taken enough grief from Cajun fans at the Belt board for expressing that opinion.

I am tired of listening to this "pillow fight" between Crap USA and the Sunburnt.

SMTTT

(03-23-2014 09:37 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 08:31 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  You speak as a fan, which you are. Not a business man. College sports is a business and if give any business man the profile of both leagues, meaning TV revenues, exposure, bowl access and financial state, there's no question as to which they'd consider the better choice. That is a fact which is supported by the presidents of 5 universities who chose CUSA over staying in the Belt.

The difference in TV exposure and revenue are not equal. There's still a substantial difference between both leagues. One has a TV deal, the other doesn't. The difference is Enough that allows CUSA to poach Sun Belt teams at will. You might not see it since you are looking at this from a fan perspective and not a business man. CUSA is far from a lateral move.

It is convenient for you to pretend that you want no part of the new CUSA and that you're happy to be in the Belt when you have no other choice but to be there. That behavior is completely understandable and predictable.

Wow, this is rich. Now I'm being lectured about business smarts.

Just for the record, at age 47 I sold my company to a NYSE-traded competitor and retired. I now live and 'work' in S. America, Venezuela to be exact, and am successfully growing several lines of business (completely unrelated to what I did before) in a country that CNN Money rated as the toughest in the industrialized world in which to start a business.

What I recognize in the Sun Belt, specificially as it relates to football, is value, under-rated value to be exact. I don't see the same in C-USA, especially after that last round of realignment, and a number of C-USA forum members agree with me on this point. C-USA clearly has a focus on basketball, and that's fine, do what you think you're best at but don't try to sell me a package of fluff.

As for your comment about my 'pretending' to want no part of the New C-USA as you call, please mark my words. Under existing circumstances, if an offer of C-USA membership is ever extended, and that offer is accepted by the Cajun PTB, yours truly will be the first to say that they're making a mistake. Lord knows I've taken enough grief from Cajun fans at the Belt board for expressing that opinion.

So let me get this straight. You are a successful business men? Yet you don't see the benefits of being in CUSA? You clearly can't see past one or two years of better competition and see what they're all after? At the end of the day it is all about money. Being a business man You should know that. I guess your fanaticism is really clouding your judgment.

(03-23-2014 10:07 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  So let me get this straight. You are a successful business men? Yet you don't see the benefits of being in CUSA? You clearly can't see past one or two years of better competition and see what they're all after? At the end of the day it is all about money. Being a business man You should know that. I guess your fanaticism is really clouding your judgment.

My judgment is fine, crystal clear actually. I'm not emotionally invested in this as some here obviously are.

Do me a favor. List out the C-USA membership from 3 years ago and then today's membership and then explain to me how what was translates into what will be as it relates to football. It should be easy, most everyone here tries to do it on a daily basis.

And yes, for the umpteenth time, I see the benefits. I just don't think they outweigh the risks and costs associated with a move.

(03-23-2014 12:19 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  YOur getting a little ahead of things. the aac tv package is a mear 600k a year larger than cusa.
One bcs bowl isnt gonna be life changing deal for those schools.
Also, once louisville deptarts for the acc, thats one less ncaa team with the other 2 begging for a way out
The aac is about 3 years away from being exactly what they were a year ago. a one bid league

Actually, the American members receive $18-20 million from ESPN and an another $2 million from CBS for a shade over $2 million a year / member and will be kept whole with additions.

The CUSA overall contract is $14-million, which is $6-8 million less per year and is split over more schools. It works out to about twice the size of our contract (if not a little more) and that is not even including the commercial stock and sponsorship rights that the AAC smartly managed to maintain and sell for additional conference revenue.

The BCS bowl appearance brought the AAC members an additional $18.5 million to share and they've already earned a minimum of 9 credits in this year's NCAA basketball tourney. As for becoming a one bid basketball league, when a conference has four returning NCAA tourney teams, plus SMU who was on the bubble - that is a solid base and will probably only get stronger considering the exposure of them having all their games on NATIONAL television.

(03-23-2014 10:20 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 10:07 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  So let me get this straight. You are a successful business men? Yet you don't see the benefits of being in CUSA? You clearly can't see past one or two years of better competition and see what they're all after? At the end of the day it is all about money. Being a business man You should know that. I guess your fanaticism is really clouding your judgment.

My judgment is fine, crystal clear actually. I'm not emotionally invested in this as some here obviously are.

Do me a favor. List out the C-USA membership from 3 years ago and then today's membership and then explain to me how what was translates into what will be as it relates to football. It should be easy, most everyone here tries to do it on a daily basis.

And yes, for the umpteenth time, I see the benefits. I just don't think they outweigh the risks and costs associated with a move.

Yet you moved to Venezuala.....

How're you able to get this American centered website over there any ways? Do you have special internet that the rest of Venezualan citizens cannot have? How did you begin to make money in Venezuala? Is there any corolation with you being a "successful businessman" in Venezuala and to you have unlimited internet access?
I THINK NOT YOU COMMUNIST




Sorry, you left the door wide open for that one.

(03-22-2014 01:58 PM)meangreener Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 01:57 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 01:52 PM)meangreener Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 01:45 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  That's funny, because some of those Sun Belt schools may feel the same way about playing some of the CUSA members. It wasn't that long ago that you guys were in the Sun Belt, right? What has happened over the last two years that makes you guys so much better than any of them? It could be just rumors I've heard, but I understand that North Texas has had problems getting their own stadium filled, and that's during a great season. Who among us doesn't have problems filling stadiums? No one.

The year that ULM beat Arkansas then NEARLY beat Baylor AT HOME on ESPN...they averaged 19,359.

Let's see, they lost to Baylor, then won the next two games, and then 16,000 people came to the game.

We, however, win 4 games in a row and 26K come to our games.

Attendance is just one gear in a whole transmission that needs to keep us away from all the schools I just listed.

We left the Sun Belt for a reason, because it was KILLING our program. You cannot maintain a winning atmosphere when you play teams like ULM. Plain and simple.

See: North Texas 2006-2010.

Wow! 26K? You guys should be in the SEC. And you cannot maintain a winning atmosphere when you play and lose to teams like ULM. If your program is so much better, just demolish them every year.

Can't recruit players to play against teams like ULM. Can't get people to show up, thus can't improve your budget because you play teams like ULM. 3-stars laugh in your face when you show them your schedule and it's highlighted by ULM. So since you can't recruit or increase your budget...

See: North Texas 2006-2010.
See: Troy (now)

ULL may survive simply because of the strength of their fanbase...but they need to move up ASAP.

Want to know why SBC never has any massive juggernauts to sustain winning for 10+ years and break the top 25?

Wonder why ULM has some nice upsets on their resume?

Because teams laugh at them.

Nobody at ULM cares because it is a school for dropouts from other schools and kids who didn't get into ULL, Tech or LSU.

I am related to a ULM grad who tells people she graduated from LSU because ULM is embarrassing. She went to LSU for 2 years, but feels like she just "finished her LSU degree" at ULM. No joke.

SEE: University of Louisiana at Monroe

She is a liar.

I'm thinking in a post apocalyptic realignment world like Coog suggests, bball becomes even more emphasized. I'd think a school like Memphis may be more inclined to align with other like minded schools as long as the geography doesn't get to crazy...thinking MVC or something similar to the GMW. Not pretty to think about and hope it doesn't come to that for everybody's sake.

(03-24-2014 02:21 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Yet you moved to Venezuala.....

How're you able to get this American centered website over there any ways? Do you have special internet that the rest of Venezualan citizens cannot have? How did you begin to make money in Venezuala? Is there any corolation with you being a "successful businessman" in Venezuala and to you have unlimited internet access?
I THINK NOT YOU COMMUNIST

Sorry, you left the door wide open for that one.

To answer your questions, yes, I have my own personal internet that no one else has. Most people don't realize that with enough money they can buy their own internet.

Seriously, with government meddling and the resultant distortions of the country's economy, this place is actually a capitalist's dream. Once one figures out how to sell to clients from another culture and who speak a different language, the rest is easy. Well, then there's that part about keeping ahead of double digit inflation too.

Anyway, you get the picture.

(03-24-2014 09:35 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 02:21 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Yet you moved to Venezuala.....

How're you able to get this American centered website over there any ways? Do you have special internet that the rest of Venezualan citizens cannot have? How did you begin to make money in Venezuala? Is there any corolation with you being a "successful businessman" in Venezuala and to you have unlimited internet access?
I THINK NOT YOU COMMUNIST

Sorry, you left the door wide open for that one.

To answer your questions, yes, I have my own personal internet that no one else has. Most people don't realize that with enough money they can buy their own internet.

Seriously, with government meddling and the resultant distortions of the country's economy, this place is actually a capitalist's dream. Once one figures out how to sell to clients from another culture and who speak a different language, the rest is easy. Well, then there's that part about keeping ahead of double digit inflation too.

Anyway, you get the picture.

Hell, cocaine practically sells itself

(03-23-2014 11:07 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 12:19 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  YOur getting a little ahead of things. the aac tv package is a mear 600k a year larger than cusa.
One bcs bowl isnt gonna be life changing deal for those schools.
Also, once louisville deptarts for the acc, thats one less ncaa team with the other 2 begging for a way out
The aac is about 3 years away from being exactly what they were a year ago. a one bid league

Actually, the American members receive $18-20 million from ESPN and an another $2 million from CBS for a shade over $2 million a year / member and will be kept whole with additions.

The CUSA overall contract is $14-million, which is $6-8 million less per year and is split over more schools. It works out to about twice the size of our contract (if not a little more) and that is not even including the commercial stock and sponsorship rights that the AAC smartly managed to maintain and sell for additional conference revenue.

The BCS bowl appearance brought the AAC members an additional $18.5 million to share and they've already earned a minimum of 9 credits in this year's NCAA basketball tourney. As for becoming a one bid basketball league, when a conference has four returning NCAA tourney teams, plus SMU who was on the bubble - that is a solid base and will probably only get stronger considering the exposure of them having all their games on NATIONAL television.

Correct. TV is only one source of many streams of revenue. Obviously I am biased, but the AAC is due to have a much larger stream of revenue for the forseable future when combining all sources. For example, CUSA earned ONE basketball credit this year. AAC has earned NINE credits this year, with the potential to add more. This will result in much higher payments for the next 6 years to the AAC from NCAA tournament payments.

(03-24-2014 09:35 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 02:21 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Yet you moved to Venezuala.....

How're you able to get this American centered website over there any ways? Do you have special internet that the rest of Venezualan citizens cannot have? How did you begin to make money in Venezuala? Is there any corolation with you being a "successful businessman" in Venezuala and to you have unlimited internet access?
I THINK NOT YOU COMMUNIST

Sorry, you left the door wide open for that one.

To answer your questions, yes, I have my own personal internet that no one else has. Most people don't realize that with enough money they can buy their own internet.

Seriously, with government meddling and the resultant distortions of the country's economy, this place is actually a capitalist's dream. Once one figures out how to sell to clients from another culture and who speak a different language, the rest is easy. Well, then there's that part about keeping ahead of double digit inflation too.

Anyway, you get the picture.

Unless your views are different than that of the government. But that's a whole other conversation.

(03-24-2014 11:06 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 09:35 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 02:21 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Yet you moved to Venezuala.....

How're you able to get this American centered website over there any ways? Do you have special internet that the rest of Venezualan citizens cannot have? How did you begin to make money in Venezuala? Is there any corolation with you being a "successful businessman" in Venezuala and to you have unlimited internet access?
I THINK NOT YOU COMMUNIST

Sorry, you left the door wide open for that one.

To answer your questions, yes, I have my own personal internet that no one else has. Most people don't realize that with enough money they can buy their own internet.

Seriously, with government meddling and the resultant distortions of the country's economy, this place is actually a capitalist's dream. Once one figures out how to sell to clients from another culture and who speak a different language, the rest is easy. Well, then there's that part about keeping ahead of double digit inflation too.

Anyway, you get the picture.

Unless your views are different than that of the government. But that's a whole other conversation.

I fly under the radar.

(03-23-2014 07:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 06:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 04:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 10:34 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 02:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If the P5 split from the G5 and G5 media money plummets like I think it would in those circumstances---yes. G5 schools will have no way to increase earnings---thus, they would only be able to survive by cutting costs. In such an environment, G5 schools would have no choice but to cut costs and be in cheap low travel conferences. Houston and Rice would make perfect sense. Besides, its not like those two schools (Rice and Houston) haven't shared a conference for most of the last 35 years.

If the G5 are left behind, and media money falls dramatically for G5 conference contracts, then I could see many of the western G5 schools being in a modern G5 rendition of the Southwest Conference that loos something like this

Houston
SMU
Rice
Texas State
UTSA
Tulsa
Tulane
ULL
LaTech
Arky St
Memphis
S Miss

Lots of bus travel. They could probably get a limited 10-12 game contract with ESPN and a very solid contract with Fox SW. Maybe CBS-Sports or NBC-Sports might pick up part of it. Not the SEC by any means, but it could eventually build some decent rivalries and once the sting of being demoted wears off, it might be fun for the newer fans that don't remember the old FBS days.

Your lineup amuses me. I see no reason why Rice, UTEP, and UTSA would want to leave North Texas behind, in favor of adding Texas State. That would be dumb. You're obviously a fan of Texas State and want them out of the Sun Belt, but they wouldn't get a spot in that mythical conference ahead of North Texas. Also, three teams in Louisiana is too many. No need for ULL.

Even if the P5s separated and formed their own division, the G5s wouldn't just throw away their conferences and start over. There isn't going to be a new SWC. C-USA West is the closest you are going to get, and Houston and SMU left it.

C-USA West
Rice
North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
LA Tech
Southern Miss

If there was a separation between the G5 and P5 there might be quite a bit of change. The money would plummet and it would make no more sense for CUSA schools to travel halfway across the nation than the it would for the AAC to so the same thing. That was the whole point of my post. Would CUSA west still want to be part of CUSA east? Maybe, but it might not be that great an idea anymore. The east might prefer to be in a conference like this---

UConn
Cinci
Temple
Navy
ECU
UCF
USF
Marshall
ODU
FIA
FIU
UAB

The west might prefer to something closer to the mini-SWC I suggested.

Btw--no offense was intended. UNT could be in it as well. I included Texas State (Austin DMA) rather than N Tx because SMU was already in Dallas. The only reason I double dipped in Houston was because I started with the remaining G5 members of the SWC. I didn't put in UTEP because of distance and because I think they would be better with a western league. To be honest, the mini SWC might work better as a round robin so you'd have to drop one Texas schools and one Louisiana school. On the other hand, you could add UNT and another current CUSA school (maybe UAB or MTSU) to get to 14. Going to 14 might not matter in a post G5/P5 split environment since the money would be negligible anyway. The lower division conferences (the Southland for instance) tend to be more congenial than business like in their decision making---so going to 14 or more to accommodate all the interested Texas area teams might not be a big deal. Like I said, at that point I think the media value will be so low that it ceases to be the driving factor behind conference construction.

UConn, Cincy, UCF, and USF would never entertain the idea of conferencing with the F_U's. So I can't see your Eastern conference working either. And, there is no other team in Texas that dominates their market more then UT dominates Austin.

Doesn't matter if the University of Texas dominates Austin. Its not like any G5 dominates a major city. None. Not one. North Texas gets 18K in a metro area of 6 million. So I have no idea what point you are trying to make with that statement. Houston gets 25-30K in a city of 5 million. No G5 team "dominates" in any large city I can think of.

Your right. In the current environment, there would be no reason a AAC team will consider either of the conferences mentioned. But we are not talking about the current environment. If the P5 split from the G5 you will see a lot of things you never saw before because nobody left behind will matter any more than anyone in FCS matters now. How many times did N Texas have 20-30K at home when they were a D1-AA/FCS school? How often were Southland Conference games televised during that period? How much did the Southland make on TV? With the Southland income--how often did they consider adding FCS teams from Florida? Southland type money will be what athletic budgets will be dealing with in a G5/P5 split environment. Nobody cares about the divisions below FBS. Its always been that way. There wont be any money to fly athletics to far away more well known schools. So AAC schools wont be able to afford any snobbery. Smaller more regional conferences will be required to cut costs. As ticket sales decrease to FCS levels, donations drop, and TV money vanishes, the schools involved in half continent conferences like CUSA, the Sunbelt, and the AAC will be forced reorganize in order to keep their cash starved athletic departments solvent. Personally, I think the G5 schools football future would be very grim if the P5 leave them behind.

Frankly, I think the schools that can will try a last ditch effort to band together and form a large nationwide G-5 super conference that stays in the P5's new upper division. Staying in that upper division, even as second class non-AQ citizens would be better than life in what would essentially be the new FCS.

If that were true, the focus of the G5s would move towards realignment based on basketball. The G5 conferences wouldn't just close their doors and trade teams. They would move to snatch up the best available basketball programs for their conferences. Football wouldn't go anywhere. C-USA has already developed fairly tight regional divisions. If the P5 were to split, the AAC, MWC, and Sun Belt might be in trouble, because their schools are not as close together as most of C-USA's and the MAC's.

If the P5s create a criteria for staying at the top level of college football, they will have to set the bar very high. C-USA has already said the conference will do everything it can to stay at the top level of college football. I'm sure the AAC and MWC feel the same way. I believe their are also programs in the Sun Belt and MAC that feel the same way, but I don't know if the whole of their conferences can make the needed financial commitment.

(03-24-2014 09:38 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 09:35 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 02:21 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Yet you moved to Venezuala.....

How're you able to get this American centered website over there any ways? Do you have special internet that the rest of Venezualan citizens cannot have? How did you begin to make money in Venezuala? Is there any corolation with you being a "successful businessman" in Venezuala and to you have unlimited internet access?
I THINK NOT YOU COMMUNIST

Sorry, you left the door wide open for that one.

To answer your questions, yes, I have my own personal internet that no one else has. Most people don't realize that with enough money they can buy their own internet.

Seriously, with government meddling and the resultant distortions of the country's economy, this place is actually a capitalist's dream. Once one figures out how to sell to clients from another culture and who speak a different language, the rest is easy. Well, then there's that part about keeping ahead of double digit inflation too.

Anyway, you get the picture.

Hell, cocaine practically sells itself

LOL!!! +2

(03-22-2014 01:56 PM)meangreener Wrote:  You're misinformed on a lot of matters if you think NT, WKU, MTSU, UTSA, Southern Miss, Rice, LTech, etc would ever align themselves with a school like ULM or South Alabama.

Make no mistake, at THIS POINT in time, sure, Sun Belt and CUSA are similar on the field. But budgets, attendance, academic performance, reputation and overall clout; there's a mountain in between.

Funny that a UNT fan would make derogatory comments on USA. I suggest you check the USA Today athletic budgets for 2012, endowments, Forbes list, USNWR, total assets, etc before putting down other schools. Among all the schools in CUSA and the SBC, I'd say only Rice seems to be out of place.