(03-23-2014 03:13 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 03:27 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 01:52 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(03-21-2014 11:48 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(03-21-2014 10:16 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Have you seen him play????

Not trying to be rude, but it's going to take a lot for him to be productive in the paint...IJS Make a layup...PLEASE!!!!!

Your a good poster, but this was really dumb.

So, because there are "reality shows" , Is that the way life really is?

It's amazing how some can neither accept or speak the truth....Well allow me to give a brief tutorial: It all begins with being honest with self....

News bulletin: Shaq has "0" (bad footwork;No post moves; No post awareness;ETC) post game and it's going to take some work for him to develop that! And that's all I stated below:

Not trying to be rude, but it's going to take a lot for him to be productive in the paint

That's is constructive criticism; It's going to take work....Is he up to it? Remains to be seen.

Honesty and realism, I understand that there is little in the world that we can consider real; but FYI; I will always be real and true; to myself first and foremost....Count on it!

^LMAO at this response, Eric. You go girl.



In classic MT.ORG fashion, Great8's rebuttal was based on false assumptions and false accusations of the other side's position.

Anyone who thinks a soph doesn't need to keep improving is just a fool. But of course him being flawless was never even close to being suggested.

Shaq has a nice, developing post game. Good passer and nice court vision working the high- low stuff with the other big on the floor. He also is a solid rebounded and finisher.

He has improved by leap and bounds since last year.

Not productive in the paint? That is just plain dumb.

I think people get confused with the idea of things being relative to the other persons point of view...

(03-23-2014 02:44 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 11:22 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 06:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq has a mild case of skillet hands. He has certainly improved though.

Oh sure, the guy isn't great yet or anything, but he is definitely better than he was and he is very productive in the paint. Since he worked so hard last off season I'm assuming he'll do it again.

Do you realize that some games he(Shaq) has had just as many, if not more TO's than our guards. Just because he has 10 points doesn't translate to being productive in the paint. Most of his points have come off of steals from transition turnovers; or alley oops. That's not paint production! We also don't see many offensive rebounds or putbacks by Shaq either. he often gets outrebounded by Nick King, when Nick King plays a third of his minutes... I have seen him one time this season; catch the ball near the paint; wait for the defense to show; then back his man into the post and complete the shot. That was against Austin Peay,(If I remember correctly) How often have you seen that happen? He is literally throwing the ball up with absolutely no idea of where the ball is going.

And believe me, I am not trying to bash him, but until he develops a definite post move that is consistent and refrain from fumbling the ball out of bounds or getting his shot pinned in his face because he doesn't understand how to utilize a pump-fake to gain an advantage over the defender......he should be relegated to hustling for rebounds to get his points...He has no go-to post move. If he does, please provide some footage that he can complete this move on a consistent basis with a defender present.

I totally understand that we have not had the luxury of having a post-player with post skills(until Austin Nichols) and if you don't think that there is a difference in the post-play/production of Austin compared to Shaq. I totally see whats going on. But with the ineptness of Shaq's offensive production; we should focus on Austin Nichols touches, as his post efficiency is light years ahead of Shaq's....Especially when we have a lead....Austin is our bread and butter in the post....As once again Shaq has no defined post moves.

The reason why I am stating these fact. In order to win, you must play to your strengths....And unfortunately, at this moment. Shaq's post play is not a strength of this team. And if you happen to think it is...As my coach used to say....."You are fooling your damn-self"

Why do you equate a back-to-the-basket game to "paint production"?

Who cares if he has no post moves? Who does nowadays? Austin's footwork is much better, but when was the last time you saw Austin isolated on the post and score over a defender??? Hasn't happened.

Frankly, Shaq shoots a 60% Total Shooting Percentage as opposing to Austin's 58% and ALL of those points come in the paint.

This isn't the 1980s, there aren't many Hakeems and Robinsons out there. We're an up and down team who need our bigs to be able to run the court; that's 10x more valuable to us than a big fat blob who can make a hook shot 25 seconds into the shot clock.

(03-19-2014 07:46 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  Is the real deal. Recently saw him play and he reminds me of PJ Tucker from Texas back in the day. Tremendous athlete with great driving ability, midrange game, and decent handles. Improving outside shot I'm told by those in attendance. This kid isn't a role player. He will compete for the 3 next year imo. King still has to improve on going to right and handles but will have the experience.

I may come down to Popeyes today

(03-23-2014 08:15 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 02:44 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 11:22 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 06:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq has a mild case of skillet hands. He has certainly improved though.

Oh sure, the guy isn't great yet or anything, but he is definitely better than he was and he is very productive in the paint. Since he worked so hard last off season I'm assuming he'll do it again.

Do you realize that some games he(Shaq) has had just as many, if not more TO's than our guards. Just because he has 10 points doesn't translate to being productive in the paint. Most of his points have come off of steals from transition turnovers; or alley oops. That's not paint production! We also don't see many offensive rebounds or putbacks by Shaq either. he often gets outrebounded by Nick King, when Nick King plays a third of his minutes... I have seen him one time this season; catch the ball near the paint; wait for the defense to show; then back his man into the post and complete the shot. That was against Austin Peay,(If I remember correctly) How often have you seen that happen? He is literally throwing the ball up with absolutely no idea of where the ball is going.

And believe me, I am not trying to bash him, but until he develops a definite post move that is consistent and refrain from fumbling the ball out of bounds or getting his shot pinned in his face because he doesn't understand how to utilize a pump-fake to gain an advantage over the defender......he should be relegated to hustling for rebounds to get his points...He has no go-to post move. If he does, please provide some footage that he can complete this move on a consistent basis with a defender present.

I totally understand that we have not had the luxury of having a post-player with post skills(until Austin Nichols) and if you don't think that there is a difference in the post-play/production of Austin compared to Shaq. I totally see whats going on. But with the ineptness of Shaq's offensive production; we should focus on Austin Nichols touches, as his post efficiency is light years ahead of Shaq's....Especially when we have a lead....Austin is our bread and butter in the post....As once again Shaq has no defined post moves.

The reason why I am stating these fact. In order to win, you must play to your strengths....And unfortunately, at this moment. Shaq's post play is not a strength of this team. And if you happen to think it is...As my coach used to say....."You are fooling your damn-self"

Why do you equate a back-to-the-basket game to "paint production"?

Who cares if he has no post moves? Who does nowadays? Austin's footwork is much better, but when was the last time you saw Austin isolated on the post and score over a defender??? Hasn't happened.

Frankly, Shaq shoots a 60% Total Shooting Percentage as opposing to Austin's 58% and ALL of those points come in the paint.

This isn't the 1980s, there aren't many Hakeems and Robinsons out there. We're an up and down team who need our bigs to be able to run the court; that's 10x more valuable to us than a big fat blob who can make a hook shot 25 seconds into the shot clock.

Austin has been isolated in the paint and scored over defenders plenty. That's kinda his game. His hands and his ability to finish with either hand are his strong points, among other assets he possesses. Shaq is a good player and much improved but offensively, Austin is much better. Shaq is more experienced, more aggressive and more physical. And much, much improved. His hands are just a liability at times.

(03-23-2014 09:16 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 08:15 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 02:44 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 11:22 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 06:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq has a mild case of skillet hands. He has certainly improved though.

Oh sure, the guy isn't great yet or anything, but he is definitely better than he was and he is very productive in the paint. Since he worked so hard last off season I'm assuming he'll do it again.

Do you realize that some games he(Shaq) has had just as many, if not more TO's than our guards. Just because he has 10 points doesn't translate to being productive in the paint. Most of his points have come off of steals from transition turnovers; or alley oops. That's not paint production! We also don't see many offensive rebounds or putbacks by Shaq either. he often gets outrebounded by Nick King, when Nick King plays a third of his minutes... I have seen him one time this season; catch the ball near the paint; wait for the defense to show; then back his man into the post and complete the shot. That was against Austin Peay,(If I remember correctly) How often have you seen that happen? He is literally throwing the ball up with absolutely no idea of where the ball is going.

And believe me, I am not trying to bash him, but until he develops a definite post move that is consistent and refrain from fumbling the ball out of bounds or getting his shot pinned in his face because he doesn't understand how to utilize a pump-fake to gain an advantage over the defender......he should be relegated to hustling for rebounds to get his points...He has no go-to post move. If he does, please provide some footage that he can complete this move on a consistent basis with a defender present.

I totally understand that we have not had the luxury of having a post-player with post skills(until Austin Nichols) and if you don't think that there is a difference in the post-play/production of Austin compared to Shaq. I totally see whats going on. But with the ineptness of Shaq's offensive production; we should focus on Austin Nichols touches, as his post efficiency is light years ahead of Shaq's....Especially when we have a lead....Austin is our bread and butter in the post....As once again Shaq has no defined post moves.

The reason why I am stating these fact. In order to win, you must play to your strengths....And unfortunately, at this moment. Shaq's post play is not a strength of this team. And if you happen to think it is...As my coach used to say....."You are fooling your damn-self"

Why do you equate a back-to-the-basket game to "paint production"?

Who cares if he has no post moves? Who does nowadays? Austin's footwork is much better, but when was the last time you saw Austin isolated on the post and score over a defender??? Hasn't happened.

Frankly, Shaq shoots a 60% Total Shooting Percentage as opposing to Austin's 58% and ALL of those points come in the paint.

This isn't the 1980s, there aren't many Hakeems and Robinsons out there. We're an up and down team who need our bigs to be able to run the court; that's 10x more valuable to us than a big fat blob who can make a hook shot 25 seconds into the shot clock.

Austin has been isolated in the paint and scored over defenders plenty. That's kinda his game. His hands and his ability to finish with either hand are his strong points, among other assets he possesses. Shaq is a good player and much improved but offensively, Austin is much better. Shaq is more experienced, more aggressive and more physical. And much, much improved. His hands are just a liability at times.

450- I agree completely. I never said he wasn't limited, nor that he didn't need improvement, but to say he is not productive in the paint is just plain wrong. He's averaging 12 pts. and 6.6 rbs per game and that sure isn't coming OUTSIDE the paint. But he does need improvement in a number of areas, which hopefully will happen over the summer. Austin is just special and will only get better.

(03-23-2014 08:06 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 07:46 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  Is the real deal. Recently saw him play and he reminds me of PJ Tucker from Texas back in the day. Tremendous athlete with great driving ability, midrange game, and decent handles. Improving outside shot I'm told by those in attendance. This kid isn't a role player. He will compete for the 3 next year imo. King still has to improve on going to right and handles but will have the experience.

You got any players like him on your team? Give us the scoop.

You got any real basketball knowledge or insight to share with this board? Come on, many of us have been waiting since you've joined. Remember, video game play doesn't count. Don't hijack a thread with your personal bs. This is the response you'll receive.

You're right Bill.

(03-23-2014 09:16 AM)450bench Wrote:  Austin has been isolated in the paint and scored over defenders plenty. That's kinda his game. His hands and his ability to finish with either hand are his strong points, among other assets he possesses. Shaq is a good player and much improved but offensively, Austin is much better. Shaq is more experienced, more aggressive and more physical. And much, much improved. His hands are just a liability at times.

When? Which games? Austin gets dump down passes and beats his man to the spot. He doesn't use "post moves". His hands are great, but again, that doesn't mean he has post moves? When have you ever seen him drop step to beat someone who is on his hip? Up and under? Any sort of turn around or hook shot?

I agree with pretty much the rest of your post except the first sentence. GR8's post is the beginning of what Memphis fans do every season: they start throwing a sophomore or upperclassman under the bus b/c of the team's under performance, and start hyping up some freshman or HS recruit. It happened with Will Coleman --> T. Black, it happened to T. Black ---> Shaq and now people are doing it with Shaq and Austin.

(03-23-2014 10:39 AM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 08:06 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 07:46 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  Is the real deal. Recently saw him play and he reminds me of PJ Tucker from Texas back in the day. Tremendous athlete with great driving ability, midrange game, and decent handles. Improving outside shot I'm told by those in attendance. This kid isn't a role player. He will compete for the 3 next year imo. King still has to improve on going to right and handles but will have the experience.

You got any players like him on your team? Give us the scoop.

You got any real basketball knowledge or insight to share with this board? Come on, many of us have been waiting since you've joined. Remember, video game play doesn't count. Don't hijack a thread with your personal bs. This is the response you'll receive.

Sorry coach, don't bench me.

We just want some of that basketball knowledge that you've accrued over your illustrious career. You ever coached a kid on Hawkin's level before? Give us the story.

(03-23-2014 09:16 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 08:15 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 02:44 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 11:22 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 06:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq has a mild case of skillet hands. He has certainly improved though.

Oh sure, the guy isn't great yet or anything, but he is definitely better than he was and he is very productive in the paint. Since he worked so hard last off season I'm assuming he'll do it again.

Do you realize that some games he(Shaq) has had just as many, if not more TO's than our guards. Just because he has 10 points doesn't translate to being productive in the paint. Most of his points have come off of steals from transition turnovers; or alley oops. That's not paint production! We also don't see many offensive rebounds or putbacks by Shaq either. he often gets outrebounded by Nick King, when Nick King plays a third of his minutes... I have seen him one time this season; catch the ball near the paint; wait for the defense to show; then back his man into the post and complete the shot. That was against Austin Peay,(If I remember correctly) How often have you seen that happen? He is literally throwing the ball up with absolutely no idea of where the ball is going.

And believe me, I am not trying to bash him, but until he develops a definite post move that is consistent and refrain from fumbling the ball out of bounds or getting his shot pinned in his face because he doesn't understand how to utilize a pump-fake to gain an advantage over the defender......he should be relegated to hustling for rebounds to get his points...He has no go-to post move. If he does, please provide some footage that he can complete this move on a consistent basis with a defender present.

I totally understand that we have not had the luxury of having a post-player with post skills(until Austin Nichols) and if you don't think that there is a difference in the post-play/production of Austin compared to Shaq. I totally see whats going on. But with the ineptness of Shaq's offensive production; we should focus on Austin Nichols touches, as his post efficiency is light years ahead of Shaq's....Especially when we have a lead....Austin is our bread and butter in the post....As once again Shaq has no defined post moves.

The reason why I am stating these fact. In order to win, you must play to your strengths....And unfortunately, at this moment. Shaq's post play is not a strength of this team. And if you happen to think it is...As my coach used to say....."You are fooling your damn-self"

Why do you equate a back-to-the-basket game to "paint production"?

Who cares if he has no post moves? Who does nowadays? Austin's footwork is much better, but when was the last time you saw Austin isolated on the post and score over a defender??? Hasn't happened.

Frankly, Shaq shoots a 60% Total Shooting Percentage as opposing to Austin's 58% and ALL of those points come in the paint.

This isn't the 1980s, there aren't many Hakeems and Robinsons out there. We're an up and down team who need our bigs to be able to run the court; that's 10x more valuable to us than a big fat blob who can make a hook shot 25 seconds into the shot clock.

Austin has been isolated in the paint and scored over defenders plenty. That's kinda his game. His hands and his ability to finish with either hand are his strong points, among other assets he possesses. Shaq is a good player and much improved but offensively, Austin is much better. Shaq is more experienced, more aggressive and more physical. And much, much improved. His hands are just a liability at times.

Who cares if he has no post moves? Who does nowadays? Austin's footwork is much better, but when was the last time you saw Austin isolated on the post and score over a defender??? Hasn't happened.




Austin has been isolated in the paint and scored over defenders plenty. That's kinda his game. His hands and his ability to finish with either hand are his strong points, among other assets he possesses. Shaq is a good player and much improved but offensively, Austin is much better. Shaq is more experienced, more aggressive and more physical. And much, much improved. His hands are just a liability at times.

(03-22-2014 11:20 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  I thought this thread was about Hawkins? Any video to back up the optimism?

The only video's I've seen are dunk after dunk after dunk after 3 pointer after 3 pointer against Bluff City looking defenses. He looks like a great athlete, but its so hard to tell. Will he D up?

(03-24-2014 09:47 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 11:20 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  I thought this thread was about Hawkins? Any video to back up the optimism?

The only video's I've seen are dunk after dunk after dunk after 3 pointer after 3 pointer against Bluff City looking defenses. He looks like a great athlete, but its so hard to tell. Will he D up?

Yes.

John Martin ‏@JohnMartinCA

Memphis signee Chris Hawkins maxes out at 340 on the bench press, according to his coach. Did 18 reps of 225 yesterday.

So if he has to lay on his back on the court in the middle of a game and a dude weighing 340 lbs or less is laying on top of him, he'll be able to get up pretty easily.

(04-08-2014 03:21 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  So if he has to lay on his back on the court in the middle of a game and a dude weighing 340 lbs or less is laying on top of him, he'll be able to get up pretty easily.

Its means he ain't going to get pushed around. Brick wall

(04-08-2014 03:21 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  So if he has to lay on his back on the court in the middle of a game and a dude weighing 340 lbs or less is laying on top of him, he'll be able to get up pretty easily.

It means he has some very good upper body strength

(04-08-2014 04:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 03:21 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  So if he has to lay on his back on the court in the middle of a game and a dude weighing 340 lbs or less is laying on top of him, he'll be able to get up pretty easily.

It means he has some very good upper body strength

Great, but can this dude ball?

(04-08-2014 04:06 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 03:21 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  So if he has to lay on his back on the court in the middle of a game and a dude weighing 340 lbs or less is laying on top of him, he'll be able to get up pretty easily.

Its means he ain't going to get pushed around. Brick wall

Well, I'd argue that his lower body numbers would dictate if he's going to be "pushed around" or not. Anybody know those?

Bench press #s, at least for basketball players, are largely useless.

Good for a topic of conversation in the off season I guess, but not much else.

(04-08-2014 04:12 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 04:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 03:21 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  So if he has to lay on his back on the court in the middle of a game and a dude weighing 340 lbs or less is laying on top of him, he'll be able to get up pretty easily.

It means he has some very good upper body strength

Great, but can this dude ball?

Yes. People are going to be surprise by some of our coming in recruits by the end of this coming season. They ain't slaw

(04-08-2014 04:15 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 04:12 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 04:11 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 03:21 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  So if he has to lay on his back on the court in the middle of a game and a dude weighing 340 lbs or less is laying on top of him, he'll be able to get up pretty easily.

It means he has some very good upper body strength

Great, but can this dude ball?

Yes. People are going to be surprise by some of our coming in recruits by the end of this coming season. They ain't slaw

Agree.