http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2014/03/...day-night/

I don't think that surprises anyone FS1 has had very sluggish numbers since its inception - available in nearly 90-million homes and getting numbers less than other networks in significantly less homes. There is no way Fox bought all the rights that they have in preparation to launch this and expected these pathetic numbers 7-months along. This wasn't the slow gradual add to cable carriers like ESPN did pre-social media, Fox started with more households than ESPN had 20-years in and plenty of commercial and social media buzz and it's just not produced as expected.

The Sunday games dominate the Saturday night games.

lol...we didn't even make the chart. Did the AAC have a CCG? Guess not.

(03-18-2014 01:43 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  I don't think that surprises anyone FS1 has had very sluggish numbers since its inception - available in nearly 90-million homes and getting numbers less than other networks in significantly less homes. There is no way Fox bought all the rights that they have in preparation to launch this and expected these pathetic numbers 7-months along. This wasn't the slow gradual add to cable carriers like ESPN did pre-social media, Fox started with more households than ESPN had 20-years in and plenty of commercial and social media buzz and it's just not produced as expected.

What FS1 lacks is to recycle an old term, is "must-see TV".

They've not developed viewer habit and until they have a series of "gotta see it" games to develop that habit, it will be an uphill climb.

That's why they will go hard after the B1G and it will be interesting to see if they and Fox reach a consortium agreement. If they don't the bidding could easily blow the doors off anything we've seen with college athletics.

(03-18-2014 02:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol...we didn't even make the chart. Did the AAC have a CCG? Guess not.

The AAC didn't have a championship game last year, so they weren't included in the chart.

A 0.5 rating is actually pretty good for FS1. Basketball games were averaging 0 to 0.2 ratings. It's an FS1 thing, not a Big East thing given the fact that the Pac-12 also suffered. It will take a few years but FS1 will eventually be in the same league as ESPN2. MLB, US Open, Nascar and World Cup are coming. Eventually, as contracts renew, FS1 will be put near ESPN and other sports channels. If you look at the ratings, ESPN (main channel) generally gets about 4-8x the viewership of FS1 currently in primetime. If in a few years, this rating is still the same, then there are issues. The channel is only 7 months old and its not even grouped with the other sports channels on like half the providers. It just takes time.

(03-18-2014 02:06 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 01:43 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  I don't think that surprises anyone FS1 has had very sluggish numbers since its inception - available in nearly 90-million homes and getting numbers less than other networks in significantly less homes. There is no way Fox bought all the rights that they have in preparation to launch this and expected these pathetic numbers 7-months along. This wasn't the slow gradual add to cable carriers like ESPN did pre-social media, Fox started with more households than ESPN had 20-years in and plenty of commercial and social media buzz and it's just not produced as expected.

What FS1 lacks is to recycle an old term, is "must-see TV".

They've not developed viewer habit and until they have a series of "gotta see it" games to develop that habit, it will be an uphill climb.

That's why they will go hard after the B1G and it will be interesting to see if they and Fox reach a consortium agreement. If they don't the bidding could easily blow the doors off anything we've seen with college athletics.

I agree that hey need some must see events and that getting a piece of the B1G will make a big difference. As an example, Thursday night's B1G game at 9 on ESPN2 beat the ACC game on ESPN. I expect ESPN and FOX to team up on B1G bidding, though, as they did for the P12 and B12, to avoid getting in a bidding war with each other.

(03-18-2014 02:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol...we didn't even make the chart. Did the AAC have a CCG? Guess not.

From the link:

Quote:This year marked the first edition of the ‘new’ Big East Tournament. Of note, the championship game of the ‘old’ Big East (the American Athletic Conference) earned a 1.2 overnight on ESPN.

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Quote:Saturday’s Providence/Creighton Big East Championship Game earned a 0.5 overnight rating, according to Sports Business Daily — down 76% from Louisville/Syracuse on ESPN last year (2.1), and down 69% from Louisville/Notre Dame in 2012 (1.6).

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The chart.

(03-18-2014 02:09 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  A 0.5 rating is actually pretty good for FS1. Basketball games were averaging 0 to 0.2 ratings. It's an FS1 thing, not a Big East thing given the fact that the Pac-12 also suffered. It will take a few years but FS1 will eventually be in the same league as ESPN2. MLB, US Open, Nascar and World Cup are coming. Eventually, as contracts renew, FS1 will be put near ESPN and other sports channels. If you look at the ratings, ESPN (main channel) generally gets about 4-8x the viewership of FS1 currently in primetime. If in a few years, this rating is still the same, then there are issues. The channel is only 7 months old and its not even grouped with the other sports channels on like half the providers. It just takes time.

Is FS1 available on regular cable? I don't believe I've ever encountered it.

(03-18-2014 02:06 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  What FS1 lacks is to recycle an old term, is "must-see TV".

They've not developed viewer habit and until they have a series of "gotta see it" games to develop that habit, it will be an uphill climb.

That's why they will go hard after the B1G and it will be interesting to see if they and Fox reach a consortium agreement. If they don't the bidding could easily blow the doors off anything we've seen with college athletics.

Opening the checkbook for the NBA (and overpaying if they have to) would boost FS1 ratings a lot more than trying to get the entire Big Ten package. The NBA is critical for Fox, IMO, if they have any short-term hopes of bringing FS1 ratings into the vicinity of ESPN2 ratings.

I think the MLB TV deals are set for the next 8 years. (Fox got 40 MLB games a year for FS1 starting this spring; they should have bought more.) The NHL is set for 7 years after this season. The NFL isn't going to put its games on FS1.

If you're rooting for FS1 to become a stronger competitor to the Mickey Mouse Monopoly, then root for them to get a big chunk of the next NBA TV deals.

(03-18-2014 03:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 02:06 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  What FS1 lacks is to recycle an old term, is "must-see TV".

They've not developed viewer habit and until they have a series of "gotta see it" games to develop that habit, it will be an uphill climb.

That's why they will go hard after the B1G and it will be interesting to see if they and Fox reach a consortium agreement. If they don't the bidding could easily blow the doors off anything we've seen with college athletics.

Opening the checkbook for the NBA (and overpaying if they have to) would boost FS1 ratings a lot more than trying to get the entire Big Ten package. The NBA is critical for Fox, IMO, if they have any short-term hopes of bringing FS1 ratings into the vicinity of ESPN2 ratings.

I think the MLB TV deals are set for the next 8 years. (Fox got 40 MLB games a year for FS1 starting this spring; they should have bought more.) The NHL is set for 7 years after this season. The NFL isn't going to put its games on FS1.

If you're rooting for FS1 to become a stronger competitor to the Mickey Mouse Monopoly, then root for them to get a big chunk of the next NBA TV deals.

If you are playing the long game, and past history says Fox is great at playing the long game, I agree.

Demographically the NBA skews younger than any of the pro team sport, not named soccer, but draws far better ratings with the NBA Finals drawing ratings on par with the Final Four.

(03-18-2014 01:43 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  I don't think that surprises anyone FS1 has had very sluggish numbers since its inception - available in nearly 90-million homes and getting numbers less than other networks in significantly less homes. There is no way Fox bought all the rights that they have in preparation to launch this and expected these pathetic numbers 7-months along. This wasn't the slow gradual add to cable carriers like ESPN did pre-social media, Fox started with more households than ESPN had 20-years in and plenty of commercial and social media buzz and it's just not produced as expected.

I call BS.

If the SEC was on FS1 SEC fans would simply find it and pay for it. This site is actually just showing a trend in basketball. It's becoming less popular every year and people usually want to watch top 25 games or games that have elite programs.

(03-18-2014 02:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 02:09 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  A 0.5 rating is actually pretty good for FS1. Basketball games were averaging 0 to 0.2 ratings. It's an FS1 thing, not a Big East thing given the fact that the Pac-12 also suffered. It will take a few years but FS1 will eventually be in the same league as ESPN2. MLB, US Open, Nascar and World Cup are coming. Eventually, as contracts renew, FS1 will be put near ESPN and other sports channels. If you look at the ratings, ESPN (main channel) generally gets about 4-8x the viewership of FS1 currently in primetime. If in a few years, this rating is still the same, then there are issues. The channel is only 7 months old and its not even grouped with the other sports channels on like half the providers. It just takes time.

Is FS1 available on regular cable? I don't believe I've ever encountered it.

They are in 90 million houses, less than ESPN but more than any other competitor. Problem currently is on many providers, it's not near any of the other sports channel, thus, casual fans won't even know they have the channel unless they are specifically looking for it. As a couple more years pass and contracts get renewed with cable providers, it will be put next to ESPN and the other sports channels.

(03-18-2014 02:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 02:09 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  A 0.5 rating is actually pretty good for FS1. Basketball games were averaging 0 to 0.2 ratings. It's an FS1 thing, not a Big East thing given the fact that the Pac-12 also suffered. It will take a few years but FS1 will eventually be in the same league as ESPN2. MLB, US Open, Nascar and World Cup are coming. Eventually, as contracts renew, FS1 will be put near ESPN and other sports channels. If you look at the ratings, ESPN (main channel) generally gets about 4-8x the viewership of FS1 currently in primetime. If in a few years, this rating is still the same, then there are issues. The channel is only 7 months old and its not even grouped with the other sports channels on like half the providers. It just takes time.

Is FS1 available on regular cable? I don't believe I've ever encountered it.

I have it on Comcast in Alabama. The only games I have watched on it were a few Pac-12 football games. I actually cancel it when basketball season starts.

(03-18-2014 02:08 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 02:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol...we didn't even make the chart. Did the AAC have a CCG? Guess not.

The AAC didn't have a championship game last year, so they weren't included in the chart.

Actually, they did. They shared the same CCG as the Big East. In fact, the 2013 Big East final pitted 2 teams that are not even in the C7 version of the Big East anymore. One of last years final teams WAS in the AAC final this year (Louisville). Of the final four of last years Big East tourney, only Georgetown is still in the "Big East". The others, Syracuse, Louisville, and Notre Dame are all gone.

(03-18-2014 04:45 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I call BS.

If the SEC was on FS1 SEC fans would simply find it and pay for it. This site is actually just showing a trend in basketball. It's becoming less popular every year and people usually want to watch top 25 games or games that have elite programs.

BS on what exactly? I think everything I said was ratings and household facts; and I didn't give a reason to why their BET numbers were sluggish - just that it wasn't a surprise given the networks overall numbers.

That said, I call BS on you, for the mere fact that FS1's sluggish numbers aren't limited to college basketball - it's across the board with almost all of its programming. It's average full day viewership is what it was as the Speed Network, with only slight gains from 7-9pm Eastern - or weekday live sports event time - so it's more than just a basketball trend.

(03-18-2014 02:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 02:09 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  A 0.5 rating is actually pretty good for FS1. Basketball games were averaging 0 to 0.2 ratings. It's an FS1 thing, not a Big East thing given the fact that the Pac-12 also suffered. It will take a few years but FS1 will eventually be in the same league as ESPN2. MLB, US Open, Nascar and World Cup are coming. Eventually, as contracts renew, FS1 will be put near ESPN and other sports channels. If you look at the ratings, ESPN (main channel) generally gets about 4-8x the viewership of FS1 currently in primetime. If in a few years, this rating is still the same, then there are issues. The channel is only 7 months old and its not even grouped with the other sports channels on like half the providers. It just takes time.

Is FS1 available on regular cable? I don't believe I've ever encountered it.

I can tell you in Greenville it's not under Suddenlink. My parents have TWC and get it standard. Must be service provider.

(03-18-2014 05:08 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 04:45 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I call BS.

If the SEC was on FS1 SEC fans would simply find it and pay for it. This site is actually just showing a trend in basketball. It's becoming less popular every year and people usually want to watch top 25 games or games that have elite programs.

BS on what exactly? I think everything I said was ratings and household facts; and I didn't give a reason to why their BET numbers were sluggish - just that it wasn't a surprise given the networks overall numbers.

That said, I call BS on you, for the mere fact that FS1's sluggish numbers aren't limited to college basketball - it's across the board with almost all of its programming. It's average full day viewership is what it was as the Speed Network, with only slight gains from 7-9pm Eastern - or weekday live sports event time - so it's more than just a basketball trend.

You can compare the Pac 12 and Big 12 football games on FS1 vs. the ESPN family. Ratings were much lower on FS1. As said above, its normally not near the other sports channels, so you have to look for it. It doesn't get the more casual viewer. It will take time for them to get awareness and possibly get themselves re-positioned on the channel listing.

TWC has just announced a reorganization of channel numbers by genre. ESPN will be the first channel in the sports group at 300, with FS1 at 400.