Cronin is no worse than Huggins on the vulgarities

(03-16-2014 10:59 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 07:19 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 05:12 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  For those aware of hearing Cal coach in a game, would you say he was more like Cronin?

Cronin's mouth was way worse than Cal's. Cronin talked to everyone in a very vulgar manner. Players, coaches, referees...

Jeezus. So Cronin has a potty mouth. This ain't the church league.

You are absolutely correct !!!! However, being a man doesn't require one to be an *****. Treating humans as people worthy of respect is a wonderful attribute. Josh doesn't need to degrade to improve his team; others may, but I don't care about the ones who feel the need to denigrate and insult to win a "game". By the way, unless you are the boss, no one wants to work for someone who continually yells and curses at them. In fact, most would file suit against that type of inappropriate workplace environment.

despite what some may believe, it is the duty of a coach to inspire effort where effort is lacking. if that's involves cursing, so be it.

(03-16-2014 11:19 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  despite what some may believe, it is the duty of a coach to inspire effort where effort is lacking. if that's involves cursing, so be it.

Where is that rule "written" or is it your opinion???

(03-16-2014 11:40 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 11:19 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  despite what some may believe, it is the duty of a coach to inspire effort where effort is lacking. if that's involves cursing, so be it.

Where is that rule "written" or is it your opinion???

i take it you've never played organized sports.

I like Cronin. His team plays like he talks.

If the coach was getting the most out of my son I wouldn't care if he dog cussed him sometimes.

If Pastner's approached worked for him (meaning getting the most out of the players' talents) then I would say go with it. But it is obvious that it doesn't work. His teams constantly underperform. He's a nice guy, very knowledgable, but he is not effective. Does that mean he has to dog curse his players and be "mean"? If it is not in his personality, then no. But I assure you that these players probably wouldn't be too hurt if Pastner went off on someone who was slogging around every once in a while, even if it was just to make an example out of him. Show the team he can crack the whip, not just serve ice cream, when they "make boo-boo" LOL!!!!

I think JP will get better has he gets more coaching experience under his belt. I get the feeling that some players see him more as a peer than a coach. When some of your players call you by first name, then sometimes it is hard to get your ideas through as THE head coach. I would think that will change by starting next year. The same goes for the media. JMO.

(03-16-2014 11:40 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 11:19 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  despite what some may believe, it is the duty of a coach to inspire effort where effort is lacking. if that's involves cursing, so be it.

Where is that rule "written" or is it your opinion???

This is a sports fan forum, so it is a given that opinions will be expressed. All post are just water cooler discussions.

(03-17-2014 08:32 AM)Rob Wrote:  If the coach was getting the most out of my son I wouldn't care if he dog cussed him sometimes.

We feared our high school football and basketball coaches, they could make you feel an inch tall and could inspire you to run through a brick wall. But neither of them EVER used a curse word in front of us.

(03-17-2014 08:47 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  I think JP will get better has he gets more coaching experience under his belt. I get the feeling that some players see him more as a peer than a coach. When some of your players call you by first name, then sometimes it is hard to get your ideas through as THE head coach. I would think that will change by starting next year. The same goes for the media. JMO.

interesting observation. that's why i've started making the point of calling him pastner or coach pastner. in a way, i show the man more respect than the all of the happy clappers that continually call him josh like he's their friend or something.

(03-17-2014 08:50 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 08:32 AM)Rob Wrote:  If the coach was getting the most out of my son I wouldn't care if he dog cussed him sometimes.

We feared our high school football and basketball coaches, they could make you feel an inch tall and could inspire you to run through a brick wall. But neither of them EVER used a curse word in front of us.

if they are still living, get them in touch with pastner.

(03-17-2014 08:41 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  If Pastner's approached worked for him (meaning getting the most out of the players' talents) then I would say go with it. But it is obvious that it doesn't work. His teams constantly underperform. He's a nice guy, very knowledgable, but he is not effective. Does that mean he has to dog curse his players and be "mean"? If it is not in his personality, then no. But I assure you that these players probably wouldn't be too hurt if Pastner went off on someone who was slogging around every once in a while, even if it was just to make an example out of him. Show the team he can crack the whip, not just serve ice cream, when they "make boo-boo" LOL!!!!

How do you know he doesn't "go off on someone who was slogging around every once in a while, even if it was just to make an example out of him." in practice? Or do your "sources" tell you otherwise.

All of screaming from Cal got no where with Sean Banks, Darius Washington, Willie Kemp, Pierre Niles, Spoon. All were 4/5* recruits. But it must be impressive to people who have never lead anything in their life. And these same clowns think it made D Rose and CDR "better" players.

I watched Pastner closely during the UConn game myself ... just a few rows behind the bench. I swear I never once saw him yell anything at the team during that debacle. Just stood there with his arms crossed, walked back and forth. Said a word or two to the assistants with a grin a couple of times. Called a TO during a run, drew up a play or something on the clipboard, no intensity, that was it. Once again, I've heard before from people who would know that he speaks too much in generalities ("close out on shooters") rather than explaining exactly how to do those things in the context of what's happening at the time. Are the assistants allowed to engage during games with players ? I've not seen it to any significant degree.

(03-17-2014 09:10 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  How do you know he doesn't "go off on someone who was slogging around every once in a while, even if it was just to make an example out of him." in practice? Or do your "sources" tell you otherwise.

All of screaming from Cal got no where with Sean Banks, Darius Washington, Willie Kemp, Pierre Niles, Spoon. All were 4/5* recruits. But it must be impressive to people who have never lead anything in their life. And these same clowns think it made D Rose and CDR "better" players.

All of those players played to their potential, never losing a tourney game on their home court by 20 to a team they lost to twice earlier in the season. Cal's teams went deep in the tourney, not happy just to play a team close in the 1st round or barely beat a team they were way more talented than. He got more out of his players than Pastner is now. One thing we can't say about Cal's teams is that they underperformed. That's all we seem to say about Pastner's teams. Hard to argue against that reality.

(03-17-2014 08:28 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 11:40 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 11:19 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  despite what some may believe, it is the duty of a coach to inspire effort where effort is lacking. if that's involves cursing, so be it.

Where is that rule "written" or is it your opinion???

i take it you've never played organized sports.

I think this is second only to "do you personally pay the coach" when it comes to tired ad hominem arguments.

(03-17-2014 10:01 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 09:10 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  How do you know he doesn't "go off on someone who was slogging around every once in a while, even if it was just to make an example out of him." in practice? Or do your "sources" tell you otherwise.

All of screaming from Cal got no where with Sean Banks, Darius Washington, Willie Kemp, Pierre Niles, Spoon. All were 4/5* recruits. But it must be impressive to people who have never lead anything in their life. And these same clowns think it made D Rose and CDR "better" players.

All of those players played to their potential, never losing a tourney game on their home court by 20 to a team they lost to twice earlier in the season. Cal's teams went deep in the tourney, not happy just to play a team close in the 1st round or barely beat a team they were way more talented than. He got more out of his players than Pastner is now. One thing we can't say about Cal's teams is that they underperformed. That's all we seem to say about Pastner's teams. Hard to argue against that reality.

I can think of 3 of Cal's teams that underperformed....

Cal's 2001/02 team was loaded (Wagner, Burks, Wise, Barron & Massie), and they lost in the 1st round of the CUSA tournament,and didn't get an NCAA bid. Sure, they won the NIT, but around here, the measuring stick is how far you go in the NCAA's.

His team the next year (Burks, Massie, Carney & Hunt) got an NCAA bid, but they lost by double digits in the 1st round to Arizona State.

His 2004-05 team started out with very good players (Carney, Banks, Hunt, Washington, Dorsey), but they stunk. D-Wash's missed free throws in the final changed the historic perception of that season. That team really underperformed. They were a low seed in the CUSA tournament (they played the 1st day), and upset 3 teams just to get to the finals.

(03-17-2014 11:41 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  I can think of 3 of Cal's teams that underperformed....

Cal's 2001/02 team was loaded (Wagner, Burks, Wise, Barron & Massie), and they lost in the 1st round of the CUSA tournament,and didn't get an NCAA bid. Sure, they won the NIT, but around here, the measuring stick is how far you go in the NCAA's.

His team the next year (Burks, Massie, Carney & Hunt) got an NCAA bid, but they lost by double digits in the 1st round to Arizona State.

His 2004-05 team started out with very good players (Carney, Banks, Hunt, Washington, Dorsey), but they stunk. D-Wash's missed free throws in the final changed the historic perception of that season. That team really underperformed. They were a low seed in the CUSA tournament (they played the 1st day), and upset 3 teams just to get to the finals.

Did any of those teams have multiple McD's All-Americans? Were the recruiting classes in the top 3 ? Besides Wagner and Banks, I can't say that any of those teams had players with real high expectations. They were "good" players, but on a national scale, besides Banks and Wagner, were they making much buzz?

And besides, Cal was able to go pretty far with the classes that were highly touted (the Laurinburg prep kids, D Rose, etc.). Pastner has highly reguarded, nationally recruited players year in and year out, and he does good to get into the NCAA Tourney. Each year (except his first) his teams are ranked in the top 15, only to drop percipitously as the games start, and pollsters see how poorly these All-Americans are coached. You may note that those Cal teams underperformed, and I won't argue with you there (I stand corrected), but I think that Cal did show what he could do with top talent. Pastner has shown to be able to do very little with top talent.

(03-16-2014 11:06 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 10:59 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 07:19 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 05:12 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  For those aware of hearing Cal coach in a game, would you say he was more like Cronin?

Cronin's mouth was way worse than Cal's. Cronin talked to everyone in a very vulgar manner. Players, coaches, referees...

Jeezus. So Cronin has a potty mouth. This ain't the church league.

You are absolutely correct !!!! However, being a man doesn't require one to be an *****. Treating humans as people worthy of respect is a wonderful attribute. Josh doesn't need to degrade to improve his team; others may, but I don't care about the ones who feel the need to denigrate and insult to win a "game". By the way, unless you are the boss, no one wants to work for someone who continually yells and curses at them. In fact, most would file suit against that type of inappropriate workplace environment.

Apparently you've never cursed back and forth with your friends in a familiar manner. Not every curse word is demeaning.