(03-14-2014 09:02 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 07:34 AM)batman Wrote:  Pastner is our Mike Shula. Really nice guy, good recruiter but just can't win when it really matters. Always leaving the fan base wanting more and wondering what if.

When Alabama decided it wanted to win big they canned Shula and got Saban. . . . . .

And Saban lost his first couple of years. Until he got the best players.

And Pastner has been here 5 yrs and recruited all his players with 1 tourney win in that same timeframe.

I was told by a member of the team that Josh seemed lost in the huddle at times during games. He would ramble on and on...like he knew what he wanted to say/do, but couldn't communicate it to the players in the alotted amount of time. He seemed frantic and hurried instead of calm and collected. Didn't exactly exude confidence. Granted, this was 2 years ago. I'm sure he's grown as a coach since then, but the moral of the strory is...he is still learning. It'll take patience on everyone's part and it is certainly frustrating at times. But he has a lot of support from important people so get on board and hope for the best, people!

(03-14-2014 09:39 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  As for his positive disposition-- I'll just say that's his right, and I have a great deal of respect for it. An upbeat person makes generally-angry people furious. It's why happy people tend to surround themselves with other positive people, and shut the negative influences out. Angry people get furious to see you smile, and take it out on you. Most won't even know why or even see that they're doing it.

There are absolutely some valid criticisms of Pastner as a coach to this point at his tenure-- but his interviews are a silly thing to focus on, IMO. If you want to take issue with skills as a motivator, development of talent, management of egos, actual specific tactical trends, etc... that's all valid.

But to focus on his disposition and rhetoric in interviews says, in my opinion, more about the critic than the coach.

100% agree. If they're winning, no one has an issue with his interview skills....annoyance, sure; but nothing past that.

(03-14-2014 09:32 AM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 09:02 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 07:34 AM)batman Wrote:  Pastner is our Mike Shula. Really nice guy, good recruiter but just can't win when it really matters. Always leaving the fan base wanting more and wondering what if.

When Alabama decided it wanted to win big they canned Shula and got Saban. . . . . .

And Saban lost his first couple of years. Until he got the best players.

And Pastner has been here 5 yrs and recruited all his players with 1 tourney win in that same timeframe.

Yep, he needs better players to meet the expectations of many of this board.

(03-14-2014 09:05 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 07:34 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 06:08 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  I agree with the op. I think that the players feel the same way and tune him out because he never shows any passion. Consequently, his teams perform with the same lack of emotion. I've never been sold on Josh and don't think I ever will be. Sure hope I'm wrong.

Doesn't show any passion? Are you out of you mind? Have you watched him on the sidelines? He goes apeshiit at times. As far as caring, he may smile but it's tearing him up inside. The man doesn't eat on game days, doesn't sleep for days after a loss and will probably have a stroke before he is 40. Doesn't care my ass.....

Ok let me rephrase... In 5 years, he has been unable to instill any fire, passion, or focus into these guys. I'm so sick of the "this loss is on the players" bs. We have beaten some good teams this year which proves we have talent. So why do we just disappear every couple of games? If the players aren't buying in or doing what is asked of them, then it's JPs fault. If they ARE doing what is asked of them, then why does it result in such soft, erratic play?

It's mind boggling. It begs to ask:

Can Josh communicate with these kids
Are the kids incapable of executing Josh's system
Do the kids ignore him
Does this team have a chemistry problem

(03-14-2014 09:08 AM)dfwtxtiger Wrote:  The team reflective of the coach. The inconsistancies of the coach and staff in preparing the guys for a game is glaringly obvious. The stubbornness and lack of accountability of not being able to make adjustments and following through (Giffey) is what costs the team the games. This falls on the coach and staff to make sure the guys are prepared and motivated.
Granted the stats show the 4 guards were inefficient and not making the shots, but it is up to the coach to change the game plan, and try something different. This is why we are all complaining this morning.

When I here this, It always sounds like a cop-out! There are multiple ways to eek out a win and making shots is always a variable.....If you're playing H-O-R-S-E, ofcourse you must make shots to win.....But the game of basketball has many different variables to take into consideration than to just settle for "If we makes shots,we win" or "make more threes and we win" It's much more involving and complex than just that!

(03-14-2014 09:55 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 09:39 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  As for his positive disposition-- I'll just say that's his right, and I have a great deal of respect for it. An upbeat person makes generally-angry people furious. It's why happy people tend to surround themselves with other positive people, and shut the negative influences out. Angry people get furious to see you smile, and take it out on you. Most won't even know why or even see that they're doing it.

There are absolutely some valid criticisms of Pastner as a coach to this point at his tenure-- but his interviews are a silly thing to focus on, IMO. If you want to take issue with skills as a motivator, development of talent, management of egos, actual specific tactical trends, etc... that's all valid.

But to focus on his disposition and rhetoric in interviews says, in my opinion, more about the critic than the coach.

100% agree. If they're winning, no one has an issue with his interview skills....annoyance, sure; but nothing past that.

I see your point. But what I believe most people are saying with regard to his communication skills is: he often comes across as awkward, goofy, and ambiguous in his interviews. Given the extremely erratic and often uninspired play of our team, a logical thinker has to consider the fact that he comes across the same way to players during practices, timeouts, etc. if that's the case, I think the players often tune him out. I don't think that people are criticizing him solely for sounding goofy during interviews.

(03-14-2014 09:02 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 07:34 AM)batman Wrote:  Pastner is our Mike Shula. Really nice guy, good recruiter but just can't win when it really matters. Always leaving the fan base wanting more and wondering what if.

When Alabama decided it wanted to win big they canned Shula and got Saban. . . . . .

And Saban lost his first couple of years. Until he got the best players.

Not hard to understand.


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(03-14-2014 10:01 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 09:55 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 09:39 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  As for his positive disposition-- I'll just say that's his right, and I have a great deal of respect for it. An upbeat person makes generally-angry people furious. It's why happy people tend to surround themselves with other positive people, and shut the negative influences out. Angry people get furious to see you smile, and take it out on you. Most won't even know why or even see that they're doing it.

There are absolutely some valid criticisms of Pastner as a coach to this point at his tenure-- but his interviews are a silly thing to focus on, IMO. If you want to take issue with skills as a motivator, development of talent, management of egos, actual specific tactical trends, etc... that's all valid.

But to focus on his disposition and rhetoric in interviews says, in my opinion, more about the critic than the coach.

100% agree. If they're winning, no one has an issue with his interview skills....annoyance, sure; but nothing past that.

I see your point. But what I believe most people are saying with regard to his communication skills is: he often comes across as awkward, goofy, and ambiguous in his interviews. Given the extremely erratic and often uninspired play of our team, a logical thinker has to consider the fact that he comes across the same way to players during practices, timeouts, etc. if that's the case, I think the players often tune him out. I don't think that people are criticizing him solely for sounding goofy during interviews.

I find it hard to listen to him for more than a couple of minutes but I chalk that up to me being the older generation and he the younger.

(03-14-2014 09:02 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 07:34 AM)batman Wrote:  Pastner is our Mike Shula. Really nice guy, good recruiter but just can't win when it really matters. Always leaving the fan base wanting more and wondering what if.

When Alabama decided it wanted to win big they canned Shula and got Saban. . . . . .

And Saban lost his first couple of years. Until he got the best players.

No he didn't. He went 7-6 his first year followed by 12-2, 14-0, 10-3, 12-1, 13-1 and 11-2.

Look it up.

(03-14-2014 09:32 AM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  And Pastner has been here 5 yrs and recruited all his players with 1 tourney win in that same timeframe.

This kind of criticism is old and unwarranted. This is his first EVER coaching job. Most of us recognize that and understand that you don't win many tournament games your first FOUR seasons as a coach (not five).

We haven't played in our first NCAA tournament yet in his fifth season.

(03-14-2014 12:18 AM)ATLMemphfan Wrote:  I don't make a lot of new posts, and I tend to be more of a lurker, but there are a few thoughts I have been having that I just felt like getting out.

I recognize that CJP has made progress over the course of his coaching career, especially during this year. He has beaten several ranked teams, and occasionally I have seen things that I liked from him during the actual games. That being said, his half time interview today was exactly why I can't get 100% behind him.

I know CJP is a super positive guy, but there has to be a limit. He was still smiling and being jovial in his half time interview, and I stopped watching it with this thought... "I care more about this team than CJP does." I sincerely hope this isn't the case, but nothing in his behavior shows me that it isn't.

It is ok to get frustrated, and to get angry. These are normal emotions. They can be expressed in appropriate ways as well. When Josh is always smiling and happy, even when his team is playing poorly and getting beaten down, it makes me feel like he doesn't care, even if I know (in my rational mind) that he does.

I could continue, but I feel like I am going to start rambling. Frustrating night tonight for sure. I wish I had seen the same feelings from our coach. Hopefully our 8 seed will work out better.

If you've never seen him get frustrated and angry then you don't watch him very often. You don't have to bring that part to an interview and, since he is a professional, he doesn't.

(03-14-2014 10:27 AM)TigerTitan Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 09:32 AM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  And Pastner has been here 5 yrs and recruited all his players with 1 tourney win in that same timeframe.

This kind of criticism is old and unwarranted. This is his first EVER coaching job. Most of us recognize that and understand that you don't win many tournament games your first FOUR seasons as a coach (not five).

We haven't played in our first NCAA tournament yet in his fifth season.

These kind of replies are new and naive. The point I'm trying to make is it has to be an end. Just because it's his first ever coaching job, do we accept 2 tourney wins over 10 yrs? We're halfway there. Please stop with the excuses. If we're a top 15 program, shouldn't we have more than 1 tourney win over the last 5 yrs?