(03-13-2014 11:46 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:41 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  It's ridiculous that this discussion is had after every loss. Was it Pastner who left guys wide open for 3's all night? Nope. On the flip side, do you think Pastner didn't address that ONE BIT? I'd imagine he pointed it out. A close out is not the same as a contested shot. If we are going to blame him for everything then we have to be fair and give him credit for willing us to wins against Gonzaga and Louisville when trailing....but we don't/won't.

I think he has work to do for sure. Either he is clueless about somethings or he is just saying what he says to interviewers to get away...I hope it is the latter. But clearly he didn't get this team to play as a unit tonight...or several times this season. That said...we've also seemed to have a player problem this year. Our "senior guards" have been so hot and cold it is unreal. Remember when Crawford was a lockdown defender? How many times have you seen him get blown by this season? While Pastner hasn't been on his A game for sure...our senior leadership has been piss poor and weak. It is what it is. Rob said earlier in this thread "we'll know next year" and I think he was trolling with that....but I actually think he was kinda right. These Memphis kids that all of you wanted have been weak mentally since their freshmen year. We need to step away from this "recruit Memphis" crap that most of you clamored for and start recruiting guys that will fit our system and have heart.

Agree with everything. I wish we had more guys like Dixon, Nichols and king.

I was never a fan of the "recruit Memphis" philosophy. I'll eat my crow in that I thought Crawford would be a great player...and he is a great disappointment. They ahve been good in moments but for the most part...not. It isn't that they aren't good...but it seems as if they play entitled and soft. I've said for a while that when things are going good they puff their chests and such, but when things go bad they shrink up in the moment. We need to recruit men and not these coddled tough guys from the rough Memphis streets

(03-13-2014 11:22 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:19 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  All the doom & gloom and naysayers out in full force tonight.
How are you folks and gentlemen?
I still love yall though.

This team will win a few games in this tourney. They just got embarrassed...as well as the coaching staff.
They'll be up for it....I promise you.

Will you promise to not post ever again if they loss their first tourney game? Are you that confident?

Hi there friend. I've been a member of Memphistigers.org since 2005. By this time...I have accumulated quite a few friends here. So no, I will not be going anywhere. I am a MEMPHIS TIGERS FAN. I come here to chat with OTHER MEMPHIS TIGER FANS.
Let me redirect your question, are you willing not to post here if the Tigers win a few games in the tourney?

(03-13-2014 11:20 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:18 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:14 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  Where was Dixon tonight? did he play?

Where was the whole team. It wasn't just one player.

I think they made a trip to Colorado.

Josh said himself in postgame all their eyes were glazed over...

(03-14-2014 12:01 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:20 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:18 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:14 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  Where was Dixon tonight? did he play?

Where was the whole team. It wasn't just one player.

I think they made a trip to Colorado.

Josh said himself in postgame all their eyes were glazed over...

Including his own.

(03-13-2014 11:48 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  How's this for an after-game quote: 'Josh Pastner: "It's gonna be hard to win when our senior guards combine for 10-for-38 (from the field).'

There is some truth to that, no?

there are no consequences to performances like this - there havent been for 4 years - for players or coaches. josh keeps getting raises despite several head scratchers and lack of ncaa advancement. players keep starting no matter how badly they perform on the court. apparantly the only thing that has a consequence is cussing in the sideline huddle.

Some of you folks need to come down off of the ledge. This is supposed to be a FUN GAME for these young men.
Yes I understand there is money being bet on these games, these young men receive scholarships and educations for their efforts....but it is still just a game.
Every time we have had a stinker of a game....our young men have also come through with a gem shortly after.
We are IN the NCAA tournament no matter what.
I don't care what seed we are...it doesn't MATTER what your seed is....be it 1-15 or even the #16 play in game.
The point is...at some point you are going to start playing really good teams anyway...and you will have to beat one at some point. If you do...you pretty much steal that team's seed...and the path gets easier towards the title.
I am proud of Joe Jackson for sticking it out. He could have transferred and given in to those negative voices.
I am proud of Shaq Goodwin for the development in his game this year. He is becoming the player we envisioned when he was recruited.
I am also oh so proud of Austin Nichols. He hit a freshman wall...but battled through it. I expect great things of him and Shaq for next season.

I am not a fan of the 4 guard offense...nor even a three guard offense that we have seen at times.
This team has some beef to play a inside out game...and we didn't utilize that much. Some players we needed to develop for next year didn't get much playing time this season....so next year will be their trials in the fire.
I STILL support Coach Pastner. He is still growing leaps and bounds,
If you want to call me a sun-shine pumper..go ahead. There are more people in Tiger-land like me that get it.
And finally no...God willing I am not going anywhere just yet. My heart rate is now under control...so I will be posting here in the near future.

(03-13-2014 11:05 PM)former guest Wrote:  You can't coach heart into folks. I think it is on both. Josh recruited these players to play in CUSA, where they could out-talent any other team at will. The players seem out of their element and the coach can't do anything about it now.

That's just an opinion, but it helps me justify what I'm seeing play out in front of my eyes.

I agree with this 100%. We need a culture change. Tougher players, a tougher mindset by the coach. This ain't CUSA. Coaching and playing at 40% wont win you a game.

This season is almost over, which is sad. We didn't hit our high expectations - regular/conf. tournament wise - but at most we have 6 games left. It's all about building for the future.

Josh needs to reflect on this year and realize that a good boy, nice guy attitude isn't going to cut it in this league. Every single coach for the high major programs is cutthroat and all business. Josh needs to get an attitude, swagger about him that he doesn't give a f*** about what anyone says and stop giving choir boy answers. That will rub off on his team, which will rub off on their play.

Its true that by the naked eye it seems the players left Griffey open however the point others are making is what if the players were indeed following coach's mandate defensively??

Like Napier said, uconn shot well due to the defense Memphis ran. Who dictates what defense to run and how it should be ran?? If coach told a player his assignment was to never leave Griffey then why wasnt that player not removed from the game for not doing so??? Why werent any of the players yanked for missing defensive assignments??

This is why the blame falls at the coach's feet....its almost like they are taught to chase the ball rather than play an actual form of defense sutiable to be effective.

(03-13-2014 11:10 PM)Blackman Wrote:  Both.

These players are not as talented as we thought. Tonight for example:
Joe 4-12
Chris 3-11
Geron 3-8
MD Jr. 0-7
Also the team shot 55% from the line. This is pathetic.

The coach has no idea what he is doing.
He constructed this team with glaring flaws and did nothing to compensate for those flaws.

Teams CAN run 3 and often even 4 guards. Villanova rode it to the Final Four a couple years back.
Teams CAN NOT run 3 and 4 guards when 2 are 27% 3 point shooters. Add to this the fact that they are not able to finish consistently in a crowded paint.
This is why you hear him always put it on "making shots". Against a good team if we make outside shots we are good if not we get blown out.

The teams defense is poor on the perimeter and breaks down all too regularly.

Having said all that, the coach recruited all these guys. He better have a "course correction" on his own self.

As hard as this is to hear Blackman it needed to be said. It's exactly right. If players and coaches can be nice and passive and win without mental toughness that's one thing but I'm not sure they can. Josh has to get tougher on his players and let them know it's unacceptable to shoot 50 pct FT's.

(03-14-2014 12:12 AM)stratecashomie Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:05 PM)former guest Wrote:  You can't coach heart into folks. I think it is on both. Josh recruited these players to play in CUSA, where they could out-talent any other team at will. The players seem out of their element and the coach can't do anything about it now.

That's just an opinion, but it helps me justify what I'm seeing play out in front of my eyes.

I agree with this 100%. We need a culture change. Tougher players, a tougher mindset by the coach. This ain't CUSA. Coaching and playing at 40% wont win you a game.

This season is almost over, which is sad. We didn't hit our high expectations - regular/conf. tournament wise - but at most we have 6 games left. It's all about building for the future.

Josh needs to reflect on this year and realize that a good boy, nice guy attitude isn't going to cut it in this league. Every single coach for the high major programs is cutthroat and all business. Josh needs to get an attitude, swagger about him that he doesn't give a f*** about what anyone says and stop giving choir boy answers. That will rub off on his team, which will rub off on their play.

pastner needs to get in touch with his inner gator.

(03-13-2014 11:48 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  How's this for an after-game quote: 'Josh Pastner: "It's gonna be hard to win when our senior guards combine for 10-for-38 (from the field).'

He got it right and 20 for 36 from the free throw line.

(03-13-2014 11:13 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

Yep, deer in the headlights again…

Bottom line is these guys can’t play and our coach can’t coach in crunch time.

Both are scared to death.

How do you explain the several big games we won this year?

(03-13-2014 11:17 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:15 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  I had excellent seats tonight right behind the bench ... I purposely didn't even watch the game for about the last 5 minutes of the first half and up to about a 18-point UConn lead in the second - I kept my eyes 100% on Pastner the whole time. I didn't see a thing other than him walking with his arms crossed and clapping a few times when something good randomly happened. Meanwhile we're completely lost. Hopelessly clueless to respond.

I've done the same a few times this season at the games while sitting behind the bench. Came away with the same perception.

There's not much teaching or instruction.

Gentlemen:

You do not teach or instruct DURING the game. That's like standing on the 1st tee at the Masters and asking someone if your stance is right.

You try to manage game flow and personnel ... if their egos will allow you to do so.

(03-14-2014 01:56 AM)mem-x Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:17 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:15 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  I had excellent seats tonight right behind the bench ... I purposely didn't even watch the game for about the last 5 minutes of the first half and up to about a 18-point UConn lead in the second - I kept my eyes 100% on Pastner the whole time. I didn't see a thing other than him walking with his arms crossed and clapping a few times when something good randomly happened. Meanwhile we're completely lost. Hopelessly clueless to respond.

I've done the same a few times this season at the games while sitting behind the bench. Came away with the same perception.

There's not much teaching or instruction.

Gentlemen:

You do not teach or instruct DURING the game. That's like standing on the 1st tee at the Masters and asking someone if your stance is right.

You try to manage game flow and personnel ... if their egos will allow you to do so.

Yep and if they don't follow the game plan you sit there butts and let them watch from the Pine(chairs)..but I question if there is even a plan they go by..


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(03-13-2014 11:15 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  I had excellent seats tonight right behind the bench ... I purposely didn't even watch the game for about the last 5 minutes of the first half and up to about a 18-point UConn lead in the second - I kept my eyes 100% on Pastner the whole time. I didn't see a thing other than him walking with his arms crossed and clapping a few times when something good randomly happened. Meanwhile we're completely lost. Hopelessly clueless to respond.

Creepy pastner stalker...nice

(03-13-2014 10:54 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  $2.65 reasons....it is on the coach to have a STANDARD! We have none...and we haven't had one for four years...Ollie makes half of CJP...and get his players to DO IT WITH PASSON!

I'm curious, how much of that $2.65 million are you paying out of your pocket?
Cuz since you aren't paying for it...you might want to worry about how much money you make...as opposed to someone else.

If Pastner doesn't get a couple wins in the tourney then he is officially on the hot seat.

During this era in college sports with realignment, we need Memphis basketball to be elite. Football is headed in the right direction but Memphis basketball is lacking leadership.

(03-14-2014 03:07 AM)Crazier Wrote:  During this era in college sports with realignment, we need Memphis basketball to be elite. Football is headed in the right direction but Memphis basketball is lacking leadership.