One of these will obviously be selected to the Sun Belt or MAC. However, a new conference would allow all the others that desire and are making all the right improvements to move up to FBS.
The NCAA needs to make an exception.

New American Collegiate Conference
Eastern Kentucky
James Madison
Liberty
Missouri St.
Jacksonville St.
Sam Houston St.
Lamar
Delaware
North Dakota St.
Florida Gulf Coast

would JMU really want to be associated with liberty and fgcu?

(03-07-2014 11:56 PM)army56mike Wrote:  One of these will obviously be selected to the Sun Belt or MAC. However, a new conference would allow all the others that desire and are making all the right improvements to move up to FBS.
The NCAA needs to make an exception.

New American Collegiate Conference
Eastern Kentucky
James Madison
Liberty
Missouri St.
Jacksonville St.
Sam Houston St.
Lamar
Delaware
North Dakota St.
Florida Gulf Coast

So, when did the rule change about having to have an invite from an existing FBS conference? Did we all miss that?

(03-08-2014 12:13 AM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(03-07-2014 11:56 PM)army56mike Wrote:  One of these will obviously be selected to the Sun Belt or MAC. However, a new conference would allow all the others that desire and are making all the right improvements to move up to FBS.
The NCAA needs to make an exception.

New American Collegiate Conference
Eastern Kentucky
James Madison
Liberty
Missouri St.
Jacksonville St.
Sam Houston St.
Lamar
Delaware
North Dakota St.
Florida Gulf Coast

So, when did the rule change about having to have an invite from an existing FBS conference? Did we all miss that?

Looks like he wants to start a new category called 'developmental league FBS'.

(03-08-2014 12:30 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  Looks like he wants to start a new category called 'developmental league FBS'.

There are a few jokes I could say at Temple's expense, but I'll refrain.

Yah, it would definitely be the least competitive FBS conference to start off, and for many years to come. But like any new team or conference it needs room to grow.

Imagine what football would be like if all weak or losing programs were relegated to the minor leagues?

(03-08-2014 12:13 AM)NotANewbie Wrote:  So, when did the rule change about having to have an invite from an existing FBS conference? Did we all miss that?

Nope. That's why I said the NCAA needs to make an exception.

I think NDSU , Lamar , and SMHS would be better off joining the Montana schools along with NMSU and Idaho .

This way at least a couple are already FBS.
EKU and at least two more Eastern teams can take SBC spots.
The G 5 needs tight a geographic footprint to excel especially at the bottom. The West will always be more spread out but the Flagship type schools help with prestige.

SDSU and North Dakota are strong candidates also

A rule could be Four FBS teams can invite four FCS to form a conference.
The SBC then could invite two of the schools in order to tighten its own footprint.

NDSU

UND

SDSU

USD

NMSU

IDAHO

MONTANA

MONTANA ST

Eight state flagship schools could get some political support.

Besides the geographic wildness, Delaware would be a serious outlier institutionally and would never go for that.
Markets? Delaware sits on the outskirts of the Philly market, and NDSU and JMU have strong fan bases, but not to the extent that they could prop up that league composition. When Ft Myers, ranked at #62 in media market size, is the next largest market after Philly, you'd have some problems finding a media deal.

(03-08-2014 12:41 AM)army56mike Wrote:  

(03-08-2014 12:13 AM)NotANewbie Wrote:  So, when did the rule change about having to have an invite from an existing FBS conference? Did we all miss that?

Nope. That's why I said the NCAA needs to make an exception.

The NCAA tried to set a metric for schools to meet (17,000 attendance once ever 4 years or a 30,000 seat stadium) before and it was in effect for 20 years.

A metric that schools could buy their way to the top level with. Then after a moratorium, the membership of division 1 decided the best policy was to circle the wagons and require an existing conference invite to join the membership ranks.

The rank and file FBS and FCS schools are all now happy with the standard. The only subset of schools that might be unhappy is the small (4-6 interested schools) group that has a genuine interest in moving from FCS to FBS.

The votes are just not there to make an exception. They aren't from the FCS conferences which want to protect their ranks. The votes certainly aren't coming from P5/G5 with their weighted NO votes.

(03-08-2014 02:07 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  Besides the geographic wildness, Delaware would be a serious outlier institutionally and would never go for that.
Markets? Delaware sits on the outskirts of the Philly market, and NDSU and JMU have strong fan bases, but not to the extent that they could prop up that league composition. When Ft Myers, ranked at #62 in media market size, is the next largest market after Philly, you'd have some problems finding a media deal.

Delaware is skittish about joining the MAC, let alone the monstrosity of a league outlined.

If there ever is another FBS League, it will be because C-USA split.

C-USA:
UTEP, Rice, UNT, UTSA, La Tech, USM, NDSU, Missouri State, Arkansas State, Idaho, Montana, Montana State

Metro:
UAB, Charlotte, FAU, FIU, WKU, Middle TN, ODU, Marshall, JMU, Delaware, USA, Georgia State

The Sun Belt gets the leftovers:

New Mexico State, Texas State, Louisiana, ULM, Troy, Georgia Southern, App State, EKU, SHSU, Texas-Arlington (starts football), UALR (starts football), Jacksonville (AL) State

(03-08-2014 01:44 AM)MJG Wrote:  A rule could be Four FBS teams can invite four FCS to form a conference.
The SBC then could invite two of the schools in order to tighten its own footprint.

NDSU

UND

SDSU

USD

NMSU

IDAHO

MONTANA

MONTANA ST

Eight state flagship schools could get some political support.

I know that the WAC is no longer sponsoring football but does it have the ncaa "right" to bring it back with these schools, 2 of which were fbs with the WAC?

(03-08-2014 08:51 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  If there ever is another FBS League, it will be because C-USA split.

C-USA:
UTEP, Rice, UNT, UTSA, La Tech, USM, NDSU, Missouri State, Arkansas State, Idaho, Montana, Montana State

Metro:
UAB, Charlotte, FAU, FIU, WKU, Middle TN, ODU, Marshall, JMU, Delaware, USA, Georgia State

The Sun Belt gets the leftovers:

New Mexico State, Texas State, Louisiana, ULM, Troy, Georgia Southern, App State, EKU, SHSU, Texas-Arlington (starts football), UALR (starts football), Jacksonville (AL) State

In the NCAA universe, history repeats itself... repeatedly.

Schools that split from each other often end up back together. Conferences begin to become too diverse in philosophy, or commitment or success until finally they break apart.

The G5 schools have historically followed this pattern. They align in something they like and grow dissatisfied.

At some point probably within 10 years you will either see
- the formation of a best of eastern league that will have some mix of CUSA, MAC and Sun Belt and maybe AAC.
- the formation of a best of south/southwestern league that will be a CUSA and Sun Belt mix and maybe AAC.
In each case potential AAC involvement likely depends on the next TV deal.
- Or you see a best of southern/Midwestern league where the best of MAC and Sun Belt shed their least productive conference mates.

It all comes down to the dynamics of the schools involved. If the dissatisfaction is first articulated and the organized by an AAC or CUSA east school, it happens in the east. If it is a southern/southwestern AAC or CUSA it happens there. If the frustration is a MAC or Sun Belt group that finds interest across the Ohio River, it happens there.

But there is no reason to believe a trend that has been so strong for so many decades is suddenly going to stop with the formation of the MWC.

(03-07-2014 11:56 PM)army56mike Wrote:  One of these will obviously be selected to the Sun Belt or MAC. However, a new conference would allow all the others that desire and are making all the right improvements to move up to FBS.
The NCAA needs to make an exception.

New American Collegiate Conference
Eastern Kentucky
James Madison
Liberty
Missouri St.
Jacksonville St.
Sam Houston St.
Lamar
Delaware
North Dakota St.
Florida Gulf Coast

Call it the Middle East Conf.

(03-08-2014 09:43 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-08-2014 01:44 AM)MJG Wrote:  A rule could be Four FBS teams can invite four FCS to form a conference.
The SBC then could invite two of the schools in order to tighten its own footprint.

NDSU

UND

SDSU

USD

NMSU

IDAHO

MONTANA

MONTANA ST

Eight state flagship schools could get some political support.

I know that the WAC is no longer sponsoring football but does it have the ncaa "right" to bring it back with these schools, 2 of which were fbs with the WAC?

I'm not sure.... However, I can see some schools from CUSA leaving after its TV deal expires and possibly resurrecting WAC football with some of the above schools. The rest of CUSA would likely merge with the SBC.

(03-08-2014 10:20 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(03-07-2014 11:56 PM)army56mike Wrote:  One of these will obviously be selected to the Sun Belt or MAC. However, a new conference would allow all the others that desire and are making all the right improvements to move up to FBS.
The NCAA needs to make an exception.

New American Collegiate Conference
Eastern Kentucky
James Madison
Liberty
Missouri St.
Jacksonville St.
Sam Houston St.
Lamar
Delaware
North Dakota St.
Florida Gulf Coast

Call it the Middle East Conf.

Not sure jmu or delaware would be interested. I dont know anything about ndsu interest and does fgc even play football. But you might add ut chattanooga to the list. At last word they stated not now but maybe later. So maybe
Jax st.
Liberty
eku
utc
shsu
lamar
mo st.
perhaps bama st., tenn. St., Fla. A&m

(03-08-2014 09:51 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-08-2014 08:51 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  If there ever is another FBS League, it will be because C-USA split.

C-USA:
UTEP, Rice, UNT, UTSA, La Tech, USM, NDSU, Missouri State, Arkansas State, Idaho, Montana, Montana State

Metro:
UAB, Charlotte, FAU, FIU, WKU, Middle TN, ODU, Marshall, JMU, Delaware, USA, Georgia State

The Sun Belt gets the leftovers:

New Mexico State, Texas State, Louisiana, ULM, Troy, Georgia Southern, App State, EKU, SHSU, Texas-Arlington (starts football), UALR (starts football), Jacksonville (AL) State

In the NCAA universe, history repeats itself... repeatedly.

Schools that split from each other often end up back together. Conferences begin to become too diverse in philosophy, or commitment or success until finally they break apart.

The G5 schools have historically followed this pattern. They align in something they like and grow dissatisfied.

At some point probably within 10 years you will either see
- the formation of a best of eastern league that will have some mix of CUSA, MAC and Sun Belt and maybe AAC.
- the formation of a best of south/southwestern league that will be a CUSA and Sun Belt mix and maybe AAC.
In each case potential AAC involvement likely depends on the next TV deal.
- Or you see a best of southern/Midwestern league where the best of MAC and Sun Belt shed their least productive conference mates.

It all comes down to the dynamics of the schools involved. If the dissatisfaction is first articulated and the organized by an AAC or CUSA east school, it happens in the east. If it is a southern/southwestern AAC or CUSA it happens there. If the frustration is a MAC or Sun Belt group that finds interest across the Ohio River, it happens there.

But there is no reason to believe a trend that has been so strong for so many decades is suddenly going to stop with the formation of the MWC.

Eventually the dust will settle for the schools below the money conference level. Once school presidents realize their monetary situation regarding TV (meaning little to none) they will start acting like college presidents again instead of TV sports executives. An Eastern league will form as will likely a SW one. Presidents form cooperative associations with like minded schools all the time on the academic side (Urban 13, Great Cities' Universities), so it's not far fetched to think they would form an athletic league with similar schools with similar aspirations.