Yes, they should

I think they should get the death penalty and vacate all wins and then be the fuel for the largest bonfire in U.S. history.

That is all.

Yes, yes, yes to all of the above. Give them the most severe penalty known and burn Chapel Hell to the ground.

All Memphis needs to do is find a non-athlete who had somebody else take their SAT for them. Then the Rose thing would be an academic scandal instead of an athletics scandal and they can hang their banner. I mean, that's basically the precedent the NCAA is laying down with UNC.


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(03-03-2014 01:07 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 10:30 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Death penalty, since teachers and academic admins were involved.

I can't tell you how many times that I've seen people propose the death penalty over the past several years alone, including but not limited to Penn State, Miami, USC and Auburn. First, let's be practical here: the NCAA has NO desire to ever use the death penalty again. NONE. Second, even if the NCAA did have some type of desire to use the death penalty, it certainly won't be using it on this UNC instance when it is doing everything that it can to not even acknowledge that it's an NCAA penalty in the first place. I'm not saying that's the correct way for the NCAA to examine this (as I personally believe the NCAA is being a copout here with its poor reasoning that fraudulent classes don't come under their purview when non-athletes also attend them), but just look at their actions. UNC probably won't even get the proverbial slap on the wrist, much less the death penalty.

At the same time, we have to be careful of being sanctimonious as college sports fans toward any other university's reported transgressions. The chances of any of our favorite schools being 100% clean are pretty remote. It's like holding in football, where it happens every play but it's only called when the ref notices it. That's the same thing with NCAA compliance - you'd be hardpressed to find any FBS program that wouldn't have violations if they were every investigated. We all live in glass houses when it comes to major college sports.

USC had a national championship and a heisman vacated with sanctions. Penn State was severely punished too. The ncaa botched the miami investigation and had to eat one. They may not have gotten the death penalty but they were punished

Auburn? what the hell are you talking about. Why would Auburn get the death penalty. Auburn has not been on NCAA probation since 1993. Ten other SEC programs have gone on NCAA probation for major infractions since 1993.

If the ncaa can prove it, they should be punished. if the ncaa is too crooked or inept to punish major violations when they are found and proven then thats the problem that should be fixed.

good grief man.

(03-03-2014 12:23 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/video/unc-surrende...06233.html

Don't know how you guys feel about this, but LOL doesn't this piss UVA, State, Duke, and the other basketball programs off... you have been basically been robbed of your games and wins because UNC used academically ineligible players to win games while the other conference members played by the rules and followed a strict honor code.

UNC secretly "wishes" it only has to give up past championships...as vacating past wins/seasons/championships is a slap on the wrist...vs gutting a program with major scholarship reductions/post-season bans/tv bans, etc...

Hurting a program in the future for YEARS is what coaches/programs fear...taking away something that happened in the past, that everyone saw happen, is a joke of a penalty, especially in the UNC case, which allowed academic fraud for over TWO DECADES that helped keep athletes eligible to play football/basketball.

(04-10-2014 04:39 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 12:23 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/video/unc-surrende...06233.html

Don't know how you guys feel about this, but LOL doesn't this piss UVA, State, Duke, and the other basketball programs off... you have been basically been robbed of your games and wins because UNC used academically ineligible players to win games while the other conference members played by the rules and followed a strict honor code.

UNC secretly "wishes" it only has to give up past championships...as vacating past wins/seasons/championships is a slap on the wrist...vs gutting a program with major scholarship reductions/post-season bans/tv bans, etc...

Hurting a program in the future for YEARS is what coaches/programs fear...taking away something that happened in the past, that everyone saw happen, is a joke of a penalty....

It's not a joke of a penalty. E.g., at USC, it was very distressing for fans to see the 2004/2005 Coaches Trophy and Bush's Heisman Trophy from their Heritage Hall.

Coaches and administrators care about the future because that's what they are paid to care about. To everyone else, it's the legacy that matters, i.e., "UConn has won 4 national titles". Take those away, make it 3 or 2, and you are taking a program's soul, it's accomplishments.

As Pete Sampras once said, in the end, the only thing about you that endures is your legacy of accomplishments, what you can claim on your resume.

Forcing UNC to give back those 2009 and 2005 NCAA Champion's trophies would be far more hurtful than saying they only get 5 scholarships for X number of years. You pass out those scholarships in the hope that they one day lead to a trophy being brought to campus. Money can always be raised and replaced, but you can't buy those trophies.