Yes.

Absolutely repulsive institution. No one has fraud built this deep into their program aside from UNC.

Yes- UNC deserves the death penalty. They also deserve to have their "championships" vacated. Although the vacation of titles isn't enough alone. The best part of winning championships is the joy that comes with it at the time. That cannot be taken away from them, unfortunately.

"the NCAA has NO desire to ever use the death penalty again."

It took SMU a long time to recover from it. If the NCAA will
never use it again, they owe SMU big time.

(03-03-2014 10:16 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  "Vacating wins"...or even "Vacating past championships won years ago" is a laughable penalty.

I couldn't agree more. I think there is a very good example of this. The Fab Five Michigan teams. I remember, a couple years ago, while a tourney game featuring Duke and Michigan was on, they were doing a flashback to the final four game they played.

Really? I thought vacating a championship, or even a Final Four appearance, came with the stipulation that the program wasn't even allowed to be discussed in that light. Like it never even happened, so to speak.

But, I guess these things carry selective enforcement.

Doesn't there need to be some consensus on the violations before we start considering penalties?

I mean schools that usual take steps themselves and institute penalties of their own are self reporting specific violations.

Neither my former school, nor the NCAA are making any specific claims to violations of rules yet for us to even consider penalties.


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(03-03-2014 01:07 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  ...we have to be careful of being sanctimonious as college sports fans toward any other university's reported transgressions. The chances of any of our favorite schools being 100% clean are pretty remote. It's like holding in football, where it happens every play but it's only called when the ref notices it. That's the same thing with NCAA compliance - you'd be hardpressed to find any FBS program that wouldn't have violations if they were every investigated. We all live in glass houses when it comes to major college sports.

The biggest problem I have with UNC is that - like Penn State - the administration would rather discredit those with allegations against them than take those allegations seriously and address them correctly. That kind of behavior just screams "we have something to hide!" IMO.

I expect nothing to happen.

(03-04-2014 07:53 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Doesn't there need to be some consensus on the violations before we start considering penalties?

I mean schools that usual take steps themselves and institute penalties of their own are self reporting specific violations.

Neither my former school, nor the NCAA are making any specific claims to violations of rules yet for us to even consider penalties.


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UNC-CH rhetoric at its finest. When, in this entire fiasco, has UNC claimed any violations or wrong doing until after the fact? Until after the N&O blew it up in their face time and time again. Until after they attacked the whistle blower and discredited her. They've denied adamantly until the evidence was so blatant that they could do so no longer. Then they invite so UNC puppet to perform an external, unbiased review which magically finds limited or no egregious infractions. UNC-CH is a joke. The NCAA is a joke. I dont need either of them to acknowledge wrong doing, the News & Observer & Business Week have already done that.

The NCAA was handed Miami on a silver platter. They had everything they needed to burn that pile of trash to the ground and the botched it on purpose. Why, because they knew they would have to enact the death penalty. Same for UNC. That's a prized cow who's cheating is as systematic as any ever unearthed. Developed and deeply rooted for more than a decade. The reason its not an athletic issue is because the classes were open to all students, but make no mistake, it was a system designed and perpetuated to keep athletes afloat.

(03-04-2014 11:13 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 07:53 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Doesn't there need to be some consensus on the violations before we start considering penalties?

I mean schools that usual take steps themselves and institute penalties of their own are self reporting specific violations.

Neither my former school, nor the NCAA are making any specific claims to violations of rules yet for us to even consider penalties.


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UNC-CH rhetoric at its finest. When, in this entire fiasco, has UNC claimed any violations or wrong doing until after the fact? Until after the N&O blew it up in their face time and time again. Until after they attacked the whistle blower and discredited her. They've denied adamantly until the evidence was so blatant that they could do so no longer. Then they invite so UNC puppet to perform an external, unbiased review which magically finds limited or no egregious infractions. UNC-CH is a joke. The NCAA is a joke. I dont need either of them to acknowledge wrong doing, the News & Observer & Business Week have already done that.

The NCAA was handed Miami on a silver platter. They had everything they needed to burn that pile of trash to the ground and the botched it on purpose. Why, because they knew they would have to enact the death penalty. Same for UNC. That's a prized cow who's cheating is as systematic as any ever unearthed. Developed and deeply rooted for more than a decade. The reason its not an athletic issue is because the classes were open to all students, but make no mistake, it was a system designed and perpetuated to keep athletes afloat.

Truth, but in UNC fans' warped and twisted world....

(03-03-2014 01:07 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  At the same time, we have to be careful of being sanctimonious as college sports fans toward any other university's reported transgressions. The chances of any of our favorite schools being 100% clean are pretty remote. It's like holding in football, where it happens every play but it's only called when the ref notices it. That's the same thing with NCAA compliance - you'd be hardpressed to find any FBS program that wouldn't have violations if they were every investigated. We all live in glass houses when it comes to major college sports.

And they can shove this right up their collective asses too. I don't know of too many schools that have taken things to this level either. It's especially ironic that a school that's as ******* arrogant as UNC has been caught red-handed.

For years ECU fans especially have taken shots at our university, being called EZU, mocking our basketball program, shots taken at Greenville and ENC in general from these ********. I can't tell you the last time I remember ANY UNC athlete being suspended for anything, especially academics. Yet at lowly ECU we've had multiple players suspended for minor academic issues such as not showing up for class, not meeting GPA requirements, cheating on a test (tennis and baseball players), etc..... again, this is extremely MINOR stuff that they got SUSPENDED for and a couple kicked off the team b/c of being repeat offenders. Am I proud of that? Actually, yes I am proud that we've shown some integrity under Ruffin McNeill's leadership.

UNC, on the other hand, can burn too the ground.

(03-03-2014 01:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  If they don't, Memphis should IMMEDIATELY put the 2008 banner back up.

Totally agree

UNC- The only school that can claim neither their fans or athletes attended.

Justice may be closer than ever. CNN - UNC fake class scandal and NCAA's response wind their way to Washington

(03-04-2014 11:42 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 01:07 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  At the same time, we have to be careful of being sanctimonious as college sports fans toward any other university's reported transgressions. The chances of any of our favorite schools being 100% clean are pretty remote. It's like holding in football, where it happens every play but it's only called when the ref notices it. That's the same thing with NCAA compliance - you'd be hardpressed to find any FBS program that wouldn't have violations if they were every investigated. We all live in glass houses when it comes to major college sports.

And they can shove this right up their collective asses too. I don't know of too many schools that have taken things to this level either. It's especially ironic that a school that's as ******* arrogant as UNC has been caught red-handed.

For years ECU fans especially have taken shots at our university, being called EZU, mocking our basketball program, shots taken at Greenville and ENC in general from these ********. I can't tell you the last time I remember ANY UNC athlete being suspended for anything, especially academics. Yet at lowly ECU we've had multiple players suspended for minor academic issues such as not showing up for class, not meeting GPA requirements, cheating on a test (tennis and baseball players), etc..... again, this is extremely MINOR stuff that they got SUSPENDED for and a couple kicked off the team b/c of being repeat offenders. Am I proud of that? Actually, yes I am proud that we've shown some integrity under Ruffin McNeill's leadership.

UNC, on the other hand, can burn too the ground.

To be fair, cheating on a test is something that can get people kicked out of school whether they're an athlete or not. That one's not exactly minor.

(04-09-2014 02:05 AM)T-Moar Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 11:42 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 01:07 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  At the same time, we have to be careful of being sanctimonious as college sports fans toward any other university's reported transgressions. The chances of any of our favorite schools being 100% clean are pretty remote. It's like holding in football, where it happens every play but it's only called when the ref notices it. That's the same thing with NCAA compliance - you'd be hardpressed to find any FBS program that wouldn't have violations if they were every investigated. We all live in glass houses when it comes to major college sports.

And they can shove this right up their collective asses too. I don't know of too many schools that have taken things to this level either. It's especially ironic that a school that's as ******* arrogant as UNC has been caught red-handed.

For years ECU fans especially have taken shots at our university, being called EZU, mocking our basketball program, shots taken at Greenville and ENC in general from these ********. I can't tell you the last time I remember ANY UNC athlete being suspended for anything, especially academics. Yet at lowly ECU we've had multiple players suspended for minor academic issues such as not showing up for class, not meeting GPA requirements, cheating on a test (tennis and baseball players), etc..... again, this is extremely MINOR stuff that they got SUSPENDED for and a couple kicked off the team b/c of being repeat offenders. Am I proud of that? Actually, yes I am proud that we've shown some integrity under Ruffin McNeill's leadership.

UNC, on the other hand, can burn too the ground.

To be fair, cheating on a test is something that can get people kicked out of school whether they're an athlete or not. That one's not exactly minor.

Ecu has suspended students (I think one- three semesters?) For cheating and/or plagiarism. They also get it noted on their final transcript.

(03-03-2014 01:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  If they don't, Memphis should IMMEDIATELY put the 2008 banner back up.

Memphis should have already put that Banner back up with a middle finger banner to the NCAA right next to it. What Memphis did is like a girl scout giving back incorrect change for a box of cookies compared to the absolute lack of institutional control, academic fraud and corruption going on at Chapel Hole.

(04-09-2014 06:15 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 01:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  If they don't, Memphis should IMMEDIATELY put the 2008 banner back up.

Memphis should have already put that Banner back up with a middle finger banner to the NCAA right next to it. What Memphis did is like a girl scout giving back incorrect change for a box of cookies compared to the absolute lack of institutional control, academic fraud and corruption going on at Chapel Hole.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Memphis can put the banner back up, but that doesn't change the fact that the final four spot has been vacated.

In truth, UNC should surrender its titles and final fours. everyone should work for that.

Any wins that UNC achieved while using ineligible players should be vacated, and any titles won as a consequence should be stripped.

(03-04-2014 07:37 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 10:16 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  "Vacating wins"...or even "Vacating past championships won years ago" is a laughable penalty.

I couldn't agree more. I think there is a very good example of this. The Fab Five Michigan teams. I remember, a couple years ago, while a tourney game featuring Duke and Michigan was on, they were doing a flashback to the final four game they played.

Really? I thought vacating a championship, or even a Final Four appearance, came with the stipulation that the program wasn't even allowed to be discussed in that light. Like it never even happened, so to speak.

But, I guess these things carry selective enforcement.

Haha.....yep. Every March Madness we see the Chalmers shot in a game that wasn't played.

On another note, the NCAA is a joke. They will probably penalize ECU for UNC's dirty deeds.

(04-09-2014 06:15 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 01:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  If they don't, Memphis should IMMEDIATELY put the 2008 banner back up.

Memphis should have already put that Banner back up with a middle finger banner to the NCAA right next to it. What Memphis did is like a girl scout giving back incorrect change for a box of cookies compared to the absolute lack of institutional control, academic fraud and corruption going on at Chapel Hole.

I thought lack of institutional control was the reason SMU football was given the death sentence in the 1980's...SMU should be throwing a fit over what is or the total lack of punishment what will happen to UNC. They have spent close a millions on attorney fees...really nothing to hide or cover up.