We're talking about college QBs, not the NFL.

That being said, Bridgewater looks like a legit passer as much as I loathe giving someone from the 'vile credit for anything.

And I realize this isn't much of a sample group, but the best pocket passer UAB has had to date is this guy:



Hack could throw a strawberry through a cinderblock wall.

(02-28-2014 11:49 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:43 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:03 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.

But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...

Yeah, not many black pocket passers. Leftwich, Warren Moon and Doug Williams are the only two successful ones I could think of off the hop of my head. McNabb and Randall Cunningham are the only ones I could think of that transitioned to a pocket passer with relative success as they aged and crippled. The others have had short shelf lives in the NFL. I don't see Wilson, RGIII or Kaepernick making the transition. Cam Newton maybe, but he reminds me of a young Daunte Culpepper, who couldn't make the transition.

Garrard did arguably better than Leftwich.

Good call. Garrard was at least as good in the NFL. Leftwich was better in college IMO. Of course throwing to Randy Moss didn't hurt,

I don't think Leftwich ever had Randy Moss. That was Chad Pennington, whom I think could've been one of the best ever if it weren't for injuries.

(02-28-2014 11:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:43 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:03 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.

But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...

Yeah, not many black pocket passers. Leftwich, Warren Moon and Doug Williams are the only two successful ones I could think of off the hop of my head. McNabb and Randall Cunningham are the only ones I could think of that transitioned to a pocket passer with relative success as they aged and crippled. The others have had short shelf lives in the NFL. I don't see Wilson, RGIII or Kaepernick making the transition. Cam Newton maybe, but he reminds me of a young Daunte Culpepper, who couldn't make the transition.

Garrard did arguably better than Leftwich.

Under Pat Dye...ECU had a white wishbone QB....Mike Weaver. He was BTW damn good. Best I ever saw at holding the ball until the last second on the pitch. He also rarely turned it over. Switzer would have been very impressed with him.

You went back in the day on me. The only player from that era that I know of is Eddie Hicks. He's a family friend.

As far as pocket-passers are concerned, I think Patrick and James Pinkney were the best we've ever had. As a matter of fact, most of the ECU QBs I can think of are black.

(02-28-2014 11:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:43 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:03 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...

Yeah, not many black pocket passers. Leftwich, Warren Moon and Doug Williams are the only two successful ones I could think of off the hop of my head. McNabb and Randall Cunningham are the only ones I could think of that transitioned to a pocket passer with relative success as they aged and crippled. The others have had short shelf lives in the NFL. I don't see Wilson, RGIII or Kaepernick making the transition. Cam Newton maybe, but he reminds me of a young Daunte Culpepper, who couldn't make the transition.

Garrard did arguably better than Leftwich.

Under Pat Dye...ECU had a white wishbone QB....Mike Weaver. He was BTW damn good. Best I ever saw at holding the ball until the last second on the pitch. He also rarely turned it over. Switzer would have been very impressed with him.

You went back in the day on me. The only player from that era that I know of is Eddie Hicks. He's a family friend.

As far as pocket-passers are concerned, I think Patrick and James Pinkney were the best we've ever had. As a matter of fact, most of the ECU QBs I can think of are black.

Yes...Jeff Blake and Dom Davis are probably the best if you look at stats. Blake is the only All American. My first memory of a white QB was Carl Summerell from Wilmington. He was a true pocket passer that had a very strong arm. He could throw as far as Blake.

My dad took me to almost every home game from the time I could sit still in the seat..starting in the mid 60's Good times.

(02-28-2014 11:03 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 10:17 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 08:18 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Yeah was his offense back in the day so I understand the comment.

Exactly...That is the context of his comment. He is just being honest. There were not many white QB's capable of the triple option back then. I think Johnny Nutsack could do it today.

Yeah but if you only recruit white QBs because your O style is for pocket passers then your honesty will cost you 90 points of credibility in the MSM.

I still wouldn't say it. As a pocket coach, I'd take Byron Leftwich in a heartbeat.

But you understand what I'm saying. There are just as many running white QB devils as there are black pocket passers...

Army, Navy, AF & Nebraska disagree.

(02-28-2014 12:16 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:43 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Yeah, not many black pocket passers. Leftwich, Warren Moon and Doug Williams are the only two successful ones I could think of off the hop of my head. McNabb and Randall Cunningham are the only ones I could think of that transitioned to a pocket passer with relative success as they aged and crippled. The others have had short shelf lives in the NFL. I don't see Wilson, RGIII or Kaepernick making the transition. Cam Newton maybe, but he reminds me of a young Daunte Culpepper, who couldn't make the transition.

Garrard did arguably better than Leftwich.

Under Pat Dye...ECU had a white wishbone QB....Mike Weaver. He was BTW damn good. Best I ever saw at holding the ball until the last second on the pitch. He also rarely turned it over. Switzer would have been very impressed with him.

You went back in the day on me. The only player from that era that I know of is Eddie Hicks. He's a family friend.

As far as pocket-passers are concerned, I think Patrick and James Pinkney were the best we've ever had. As a matter of fact, most of the ECU QBs I can think of are black.

Yes...Jeff Blake and Dom Davis are probably the best if you look at stats. Blake is the only All American. My first memory of a white QB was Carl Summerell from Wilmington. He was a true pocket passer that had a very strong arm. He could throw as far as Blake.

My dad took me to almost every home game from the time I could sit still in the seat..starting in the mid 60's Good times.

Jeff Blake use to throw ball off the top of the screen of your tv, then it would drop back down into a receivers hands.

I know you don't "recruit" in the NFL (at least not the same as in college), but Switzer won a Super Bowl with Troy Aikman running a pro-style offense. It seems like that should have changed his mind a little.

(02-28-2014 12:50 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  I know you don't "recruit" in the NFL (at least not the same as in college), but Switzer won a Super Bowl with Troy Aikman running a pro-style offense. It seems like that should have changed his mind a little.

Maybe it's possible that Aikman wouldnt have been drafted if Switzer had been coach at the time.

Didn't Switzer recruit Aikman at OU?

(02-28-2014 01:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Didn't Switzer recruit Aikman at OU?

That just crossed my mind.

Guess us whites are just no good.

(02-28-2014 12:12 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Sorry, meant to say white quarterback. You can all calm down now.

Quote:Switzer:
I've always said I'd never recruit a white quarterback. The only way I'd ever recruit a white quarterback to play for me was if his mom and daddy would have to both be black, and that's the only way I would do it."


Whole story here

For the record, Mr Switzer has not coached a college game in 26 YEARS.

(02-28-2014 12:12 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Sorry, meant to say white quarterback. You can all calm down now.

Quote:Switzer:
I've always said I'd never recruit a white quarterback. The only way I'd ever recruit a white quarterback to play for me was if his mom and daddy would have to both be black, and that's the only way I would do it."


Whole story here

But didn't he recruit Troy Aikman?

(02-28-2014 02:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For the record, Mr Switzer has not coached a college game in 26 YEARS.

"For the record?" College coaching 26 years ago does not excuse his inflammatory and irresponsible rhetoric today.

Wouldn't it have just been easier for you to say "What a disgusting comment by Barry Switzer?"



Wait, hold on.

Barry Switzer seems to be a pretty reliable Democrat. This makes his racism completely acceptable by Tom and the predictably Pro-Discrimination Left.

(02-28-2014 02:26 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 02:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For the record, Mr Switzer has not coached a college game in 26 YEARS.

"For the record?" College coaching 26 years ago does not excuse his inflammatory and irresponsible rhetoric today.

Wouldn't it have just been easier for you to say "What a disgusting comment by Barry Switzer?"



Wait, hold on.

Barry Switzer seems to be a pretty reliable Democrat. This makes his racism completely acceptable by Tom and the predictably Pro-Discrimination Left.

Project much? Switzer's comments were stupid and racist. But are they really relevant? No. Its like bringing up Jesse Jackson. He hasn't been relevant in Democratic politics in 30 years. But many on the right seem to try and make him some sort of reflection of contemporary thinking. I don't think that Texas A&M has a problem with having an African American coach and a white QB.

What is Switzer's job these days? Is this his attempt to get some publicity?

(02-28-2014 02:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 02:26 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 02:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For the record, Mr Switzer has not coached a college game in 26 YEARS.

"For the record?" College coaching 26 years ago does not excuse his inflammatory and irresponsible rhetoric today.

Wouldn't it have just been easier for you to say "What a disgusting comment by Barry Switzer?"



Wait, hold on.

Barry Switzer seems to be a pretty reliable Democrat. This makes his racism completely acceptable by Tom and the predictably Pro-Discrimination Left.

Project much? Switzer's comments were stupid and racist. But are they really relevant? No. Its like bringing up Jesse Jackson. He hasn't been relevant in Democratic politics in 30 years. But many on the right seem to try and make him some sort of reflection of contemporary thinking. I don't think that Texas A&M has a problem with having an African American coach and a white QB.

Oh but Paula Deen's from eleventy billion years ago is completely unacceptable and cost her her career. Typical hypocrite. Face it, Tom, you're a putz.

(02-28-2014 01:34 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 01:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Didn't Switzer recruit Aikman at OU?

That just crossed my mind.

Yes. It ended miserably with Aikman breaking an ankle. OU had to switch back to the wishbone.

(02-28-2014 02:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Project much?

Holy shite that is rich.

(02-28-2014 02:26 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 02:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For the record, Mr Switzer has not coached a college game in 26 YEARS.

"For the record?" College coaching 26 years ago does not excuse his inflammatory and irresponsible rhetoric today.

Wouldn't it have just been easier for you to say "What a disgusting comment by Barry Switzer?"



Wait, hold on.

Barry Switzer seems to be a pretty reliable Democrat. This makes his racism completely acceptable by Tom and the predictably Pro-Discrimination Left.

He's a registered Republican.