(02-15-2014 03:13 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 03:06 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  When you turn over the ball 15 times and your opponent does it 6 times. 9 times out of 10 you lose.

Memphis isn't play cusa body bags anymore. Memphis players can lose even if they play their best against teams like UConn.

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I agree, and for us there was no excuse for some of those turnovers. I think a lot of the older Memphis fans will tell you, we know it is not C-USA anymore. Take out the last 7 season of C-USA we have always been in competitive conferences so we know what it is like to be in a tough conference.

When we +10 Rebound you when we shoot 14% better than you from the field, sounds like that cancels it out.

forget the fouls. just get the the not called travel when the uconn guy fell down after a rebound in the first half and the out-of-bounds "save" towards the end of the game calls correct and memphis wins. tough break. moving on.

(02-15-2014 03:06 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  When you turn over the ball 15 times and your opponent does it 6 times. 9 times out of 10 you lose.

Memphis isn't playing cusa body bags anymore. Memphis players can lose even if they play their best against teams like UConn.

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Come on, man. You act like we never played in a competitive conference before. Our history goes back 100 years in football, and close in basketball. Didn't play in the Big East, but played the likes of Louisville and Cincy regularly, plus a lot more good ones, regularly, both in conferences and as independents.

And UConn can lose against us, too, even if you play your best. I wouldn't be getting all superior feeling about an OT victory at home. Looked like two evenly matched teams, to me.

(02-15-2014 04:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 03:06 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  When you turn over the ball 15 times and your opponent does it 6 times. 9 times out of 10 you lose.

Memphis isn't playing cusa body bags anymore. Memphis players can lose even if they play their best against teams like UConn.

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Come on, man. You act like we never played in a competitive conference before. Our history goes back 100 years in football, and close in basketball. Didn't play in the Big East, but played the likes of Louisville and Cincy regularly, plus a lot more good ones, regularly, both in conferences and as independents.

And UConn can lose against us, too, even if you play your best. I wouldn't be getting all superior feeling about an OT victory at home. Looked like two evenly matched teams, to me.

Most UCONN fans agree with you.

(02-15-2014 04:13 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 03:06 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  When you turn over the ball 15 times and your opponent does it 6 times. 9 times out of 10 you lose.

Memphis isn't playing cusa body bags anymore. Memphis players can lose even if they play their best against teams like UConn.

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Come on, man. You act like we never played in a competitive conference before. Our history goes back 100 years in football, and close in basketball. Didn't play in the Big East, but played the likes of Louisville and Cincy regularly, plus a lot more good ones, regularly, both in conferences and as independents.

And UConn can lose against us, too, even if you play your best. I wouldn't be getting all superior feeling about an OT victory at home. Looked like two evenly matched teams, to me.

Most UCONN fans agree with you.

Thanks. it was a great game. Congrats to the Huskies.

Nice game from both teams. But, I gotta agree with the Memphis folks that they would have won today with competent refs. Next game? Who knows!

Fans put way too much emphasis on free throw disparity. 8 of those came at the end when Memphis purposely fouled 4 times with 1 minute plus.

But Memphis also shot 55%. 3 pointers and lay-ups. I wish UConn had fouled you guys more because many of your layups were totally uncontested. Not so the UConn drives where the UConn players were always challenged. UConn shot a much lower % than normal.

In the end, the difference was the turnovers. One reason UConn was outrebounded is because Memphis shot so well. This game was really about Memphis's turnovers.

As for the bad calls (Daniels' supposed travel and Kromah's save out of bounds) there were similar calls the other way too. Boatright hammered by Goodwin with 2 left in regulation for no call, Jackson's last basket was an and-1 even though no one touched him, Boat blocked Jackson cleanly and sent Jackson to the line, the last possession that they reviewed on the monitor. Refs definitely make mistakes. I noticed a couple other bad calls that went against Memphis. One was a ball out of bounds supposedly knocked out by Nichols, but it really went out on Boatright. The very next time down, the same ref blew it with a favorable call for Memphis.

Prior to the intentional fouling, the free throw disparity was 28-8, or 19 fouls against Memphis, 12 against UConn. Given the shooting percentages of both teams, 55% for Memphis and sub 40% for UConn, I don't think the disparity was alarming or undeserved. In fact, UConn should have fouled more on those bunnies. How many layups for Memphis today?

(02-15-2014 05:50 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  Fans put way too much emphasis on free throw disparity. 8 of those came at the end when Memphis purposely fouled 4 times with 1 minute plus.

But Memphis also shot 55%. 3 pointers and lay-ups. I wish UConn had fouled you guys more because many of your layups were totally uncontested. Not so the UConn drives where the UConn players were always challenged. UConn shot a much lower % than normal.

In the end, the difference was the turnovers. One reason UConn was outrebounded is because Memphis shot so well. This game was really about Memphis's turnovers.

As for the bad calls (Daniels' supposed travel and Kromah's save out of bounds) there were similar calls the other way too. Boatright hammered by Goodwin with 2 left in regulation for no call, Jackson's last basket was an and-1 even though no one touched him, Boat blocked Jackson cleanly and sent Jackson to the line, the last possession that they reviewed on the monitor. Refs definitely make mistakes. I noticed a couple other bad calls that went against Memphis. One was a ball out of bounds supposedly knocked out by Nichols, but it really went out on Boatright. The very next time down, the same ref blew it with a favorable call for Memphis.

Prior to the intentional fouling, the free throw disparity was 28-8, or 19 fouls against Memphis, 12 against UConn. Given the shooting percentages of both teams, 55% for Memphis and sub 40% for UConn, I don't think the disparity was alarming or undeserved. In fact, UConn should have fouled more on those bunnies. How many layups for Memphis today?

But

when you glance at the stat sheet the FTs catch your eye...but to me the game was lost because Goodwin, Nichols, Pellom, and King went for a combined 20pts, 10rebs

our front-court had a BAD day.

Good game. I saw a lot of strange calls and no-calls both ways. Objectively, did not see any preference.

Memphis fans do seem to go to the guys in stripes well after every loss, though.

Looks like a rivalry has been born!?

This is just what the AAC needs (rivalries...not bad refs) especially for a school like UConn who has little to no B-Ball history with half the conference. Next year that lack of history is going to get even bigger when ECU, Tulane & Tulsa arrive.

Down the road, if more of these "must-see rivalries" continue to develop across the conference, that will translate to more $$$ for all of us from ESPN.

(02-15-2014 07:07 PM)jam2112 Wrote:  Looks like a rivalry has been born!?

This is just what the AAC needs (rivalries...not bad refs) especially for a school like UConn who has little to no B-Ball history with half the conference. Next year that lack of history is going to get even bigger when ECU, Tulane & Tulsa arrive.

Down the road, if more of these "must-see rivalries" continue to develop across the conference, that will translate to more $$$ for all of us from ESPN.

It can't be a rivalry. It's been too one sided.

(02-15-2014 06:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Good game. I saw a lot of strange calls and no-calls both ways. Objectively, did not see any preference.

Memphis fans do seem to go to the guys in stripes well after every loss, though.

29-6. With our guys attacking the rim. Yep, fairly called game and we're just attacking the refs. Even the announcers mentioned some of the foul calling. Yep, just us. Sure.

(02-15-2014 07:27 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Good game. I saw a lot of strange calls and no-calls both ways. Objectively, did not see any preference.

Memphis fans do seem to go to the guys in stripes well after every loss, though.

29-6. With our guys attacking the rim. Yep, fairly called game and we're just attacking the refs. Even the announcers mentioned some of the foul calling. Yep, just us. Sure.

The ESPN ticker keep showing 39-9 also hmm....

(02-15-2014 06:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Memphis fans do seem to go to the guys in stripes well after every loss, though.

That they do. UConn fans should take a seat because if history holds Tiger fans will still be talking about how the refs "gave" UConn the game a year from now.

Overall it was an entertaining 2nd half and OT.

(02-15-2014 10:17 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Memphis fans do seem to go to the guys in stripes well after every loss, though.

That they do. UConn fans should take a seat because if history holds Tiger fans will still be talking about how the refs "gave" UConn the game a year from now.

Overall it was an entertaining 2nd half and OT.

Well at least we will sweep louisville

(02-15-2014 10:17 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Memphis fans do seem to go to the guys in stripes well after every loss, though.

That they do. UConn fans should take a seat because if history holds Tiger fans will still be talking about how the refs "gave" UConn the game a year from now.

Overall it was an entertaining 2nd half and OT.

If we only go by history then Pitino is banging someone in a restaurant and Petrino is getting knocked off his motorcycle.

(02-15-2014 10:51 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 10:17 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Memphis fans do seem to go to the guys in stripes well after every loss, though.

That they do. UConn fans should take a seat because if history holds Tiger fans will still be talking about how the refs "gave" UConn the game a year from now.

Overall it was an entertaining 2nd half and OT.

If we only go by history then Pitino is banging someone in a restaurant and Petrino is getting knocked off his motorcycle.

So by resorting to 100% off topic comments what you're telling me is that Rath and I are correct, even though you don't like it. Thanks for the confirmation!

Two things people always forget to do when they bring up free throw disparity. One, you need to discount the purposeful fouling at the end of games (in this case, 8 free throws to UConn with 1+ minutes). Two, for every two shots at the free throw line, it's one less shot attempt.

Before Memphis began deliberately fouling, UConn had 28 FTs and there were 19 fouls against Memphis. 8 FTs for Memphis and 12 fouls against UConn. For the game, Memphis converted 66% of FTs which coincides precisely with season shooting %. Assuming for some reason that Memphis deserved as many fouls as UConn got, that another 7 fouls. Say all of them are shooting fouls, 2 shots at the line. That's 14 shots. At 66%, only 8 or 9 are converted. But then you also lose 7 shot attempts which you're converting at a rate of 55%, so that's 7 or 8 points lost.

When you look at it this way, which you must, the disparity is minimized.

When you look at free throw disparities you simply must take into account end of game deliberate fouls and shooting percentages. Otherwise, you're getting a distorted picture.

If Memphis were shooting 80% from the line, and 40% from the field, the FT disparity would be huge. Heck, I'll go further than that. Memphis shot so well from 3 points yesterday. That even further minimizes the FT disparity.