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(02-06-2014 04:30 PM)biglizard Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 04:13 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:52 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  "Why" do you say the "same things" over and over "again"??

Perhaps because it might be actually heard next time. The "I don't like what you say so I won't do anything but poke fun at how you say it" approach is going to wear thin as the bulk of state high schools fall off D1 radars and schools like Miles and Jax St become their best hope for a scholarship later in this decade.

I think people would accept your argument if it were based in logic or facts, neither of which are present here. To draw a line between out of state recruiting and underfunded schools without supporting facts is going to take a mighty agile pencil

What is not factual or logical than to look at the instate recruiting of the past decade as printed in our own news sources? I did not invent these numbers - they are what they are. Now if folks choose to call all bad news as lies, well that is the road to perdition. I cited the numbers from the news article that was posted and draw fire from those who prefer "head in sand" maneuvers. The 2014 numbers from state public schools are there for all to see - AU & UA, 6 each; Troy, USA and UAB 4 each; Miles College 17 and Jax State 20. Look at the printed list for yourself and see how the numbers for Alabama university programs look to you.

(02-06-2014 04:13 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 03:52 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  "Why" do you say the "same things" over and over "again"??

Perhaps because it might be actually heard next time. The "I don't like what you say so I won't do anything but poke fun at how you say it" approach is going to wear thin as the bulk of state high schools fall off D1 radars and schools like Miles and Jax St become their best hope for a scholarship later in this decade.

Actually people end up tuning it out instead of hearing it aka the cartoon above & crying wolf

i think the Holocaust was a terrible thing and I'm sad that it happened

Does anybody know how many guys from Alabama were signed by AAMU, Ala. St. & West Alabama ?

(02-07-2014 12:56 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Does anybody know how many guys from Alabama were signed by AAMU, Ala. St. & West Alabama ?

0. Those schools apparently don't count. And I bet not one HS player in Alabama went to UNA either.

(02-07-2014 12:56 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  Does anybody know how many guys from Alabama were signed by AAMU, Ala. St. & West Alabama ?

Anyone can make the same effort to check the given list for all instate and out of state D1 and others. Maybe it doesn't matter to anyone as long as SOME school is signing our state high school players. After all, as long as Mich., Cal, Tex, Fla, and GA turn out lots of D1 quality players we can sign to play for our schools, what does it matter?

As Captain Smith seems to have decided, "Damn the icebergs, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!!!

Florida and Texas are always going to have more recruits than Alabama, that was the population reference I made earlier in the thread.

A Titanic reference in this thread is in poor taste.

(02-07-2014 12:38 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Florida and Texas are always going to have more recruits than Alabama, that was the population reference I made earlier in the thread.

A Titanic reference in this thread is in poor taste.

Especially when he mixes the metaphor with Admiral Farragut's quote from the Battle of Mobile Bay.

(02-07-2014 12:38 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Florida and Texas are always going to have more recruits than Alabama, that was the population reference I made earlier in the thread.

A Titanic reference in this thread is in poor taste.

That attitude is terrible, regardless of time. My opinion is that it fit the outlook being expressed.

Alabama has a larger population today than it had when its two major teams signed dozens from Alabama high schools. It is not the population, it is the long term (10+ years) shrinkage of state funding for its schools reflected in lower quality of athletic output. We are now turning out fewer D1 and more D2 and D3 athletes than we used to produce.

AU and UA skim off the now fewer D1 prospects and MUST go elsewhere to fill out their rosters. This year UAB, Troy and USA did as well. Is this year an aberration, or is it a sign of the coming times? We will see in Feb. 2015.

By saying larger populations produce more D-1 athletes, I have a bad attitude? Go look at 247sports. 13 of the top 15 players stayed(drumroll please) in state. Then, those 2 schools went and got comparable players in other states. Why, as a head coach, would you possibly want to get the best players you can? It doesn't make any damn sense.

It's a sign of things to come if you would just look at the population of the states surrounding us for more than 2 minutes. This has nothing to do with school funding being cut, and everything to do with where football hot beds are. Is it merely a coincidence that Texas, California, and Florida produce a ton of D-1 talent every year? It can't possibly have anything to do with the number of people living there.

(02-07-2014 02:38 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  By saying larger populations produce more D-1 athletes, I have a bad attitude? Go look at 247sports. 13 of the top 15 players stayed(drumroll please) in state. Then, those 2 schools went and got comparable players in other states. Why, as a head coach, would you possibly want to get the best players you can? It doesn't make any damn sense.

It's a sign of things to come if you would just look at the population of the states surrounding us for more than 2 minutes. This has nothing to do with school funding being cut, and everything to do with where football hot beds are. Is it merely a coincidence that Texas, California, and Florida produce a ton of D-1 talent every year? It can't possibly have anything to do with the number of people living there.

Yes, the ONE DOZEN or so top players (found coincidently in suburban, well financed schools and their programs) were signed by AU and UA. My question not being answered is, Why are we so willing to allow a system that lends itself to such disparity of athletic opportunity? The evidence is that where the "top athletes" come from is the same districts where the most (LOCAL) money is spent on its schools - and therefore on their athletic programs. If you take out the private school's signees, only ten public school players were signed by AU and UA combined and they were virtually all from such districts.

I believe the disparity has EVERYTHING to do with our state's decade of cutting the SETF by the greatest per pupil amount in America. That is a National Championship we choose to NOT brag about. The facts seem to indicate that if your child is not fortunate enough to live in one of those affluent districts, it is a very long shot to get a D1 scholarship in Alabama. (FCS, D2, D3 maybe)

(02-07-2014 03:55 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:38 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  By saying larger populations produce more D-1 athletes, I have a bad attitude? Go look at 247sports. 13 of the top 15 players stayed(drumroll please) in state. Then, those 2 schools went and got comparable players in other states. Why, as a head coach, would you possibly want to get the best players you can? It doesn't make any damn sense.

It's a sign of things to come if you would just look at the population of the states surrounding us for more than 2 minutes. This has nothing to do with school funding being cut, and everything to do with where football hot beds are. Is it merely a coincidence that Texas, California, and Florida produce a ton of D-1 talent every year? It can't possibly have anything to do with the number of people living there.

Yes, the ONE DOZEN or so top players (found coincidently in suburban, well financed schools and their programs) were signed by AU and UA. My question not being answered is, Why are we so willing to allow a system that lends itself to such disparity of athletic opportunity? The evidence is that where the "top athletes" come from is the same districts where the most (LOCAL) money is spent on its schools - and therefore on their athletic programs. If you take out the private school's signees, only ten public school players were signed by AU and UA combined and they were virtually all from such districts.

I believe the disparity has EVERYTHING to do with our state's decade of cutting the SETF by the greatest per pupil amount in America. That is a National Championship we choose to NOT brag about. The facts seem to indicate that if your child is not fortunate enough to live in one of those affluent districts, it is a very long shot to get a D1 scholarship in Alabama. (FCS, D2, D3 maybe)

This is a sports forum Oprah....or you can be Dr Phil.

who cares!

move this crap to the grill or something

(02-07-2014 03:55 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:38 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  By saying larger populations produce more D-1 athletes, I have a bad attitude? Go look at 247sports. 13 of the top 15 players stayed(drumroll please) in state. Then, those 2 schools went and got comparable players in other states. Why, as a head coach, would you possibly want to get the best players you can? It doesn't make any damn sense.

It's a sign of things to come if you would just look at the population of the states surrounding us for more than 2 minutes. This has nothing to do with school funding being cut, and everything to do with where football hot beds are. Is it merely a coincidence that Texas, California, and Florida produce a ton of D-1 talent every year? It can't possibly have anything to do with the number of people living there.

Yes, the ONE DOZEN or so top players (found coincidently in suburban, well financed schools and their programs) were signed by AU and UA. My question not being answered is, Why are we so willing to allow a system that lends itself to such disparity of athletic opportunity? The evidence is that where the "top athletes" come from is the same districts where the most (LOCAL) money is spent on its schools - and therefore on their athletic programs. If you take out the private school's signees, only ten public school players were signed by AU and UA combined and they were virtually all from such districts.

I believe the disparity has EVERYTHING to do with our state's decade of cutting the SETF by the greatest per pupil amount in America. That is a National Championship we choose to NOT brag about. The facts seem to indicate that if your child is not fortunate enough to live in one of those affluent districts, it is a very long shot to get a D1 scholarship in Alabama. (FCS, D2, D3 maybe)

Trevor Lacey was not from a rich neighborhood. He had an offer to play D-1 basketball at Kentucky.

A long time ago when schools were getting better funding, I saw Glenn HS play a FB game when they couldn't dress out the team with the same color of pants. They still managed to turn out Bobby Humphrey whose sons now play FB for UAB (I hope in 2014) and UA.

In today's economy, such exceptions are very rare. We may find that one of those from lesser schools who signed with other state's schools will become ALL AMERICANS one day. It will be less surprising coming from a school of plenty.

In the 21st century, if you can play, they will find you.

(02-07-2014 05:38 PM)Smaug Wrote:  In the 21st century, if you can play, they will find you.

I certainly hope that mantra of the non BCS schools used in recruiting with regard to NFL scouting is true. With greater segregation of the larger from the smaller schools across our state, there is also the counter question, "Who have they played?", usually as with small colleges, with a touch of derision.

When it comes to adequately scouting the hundreds of boondock schools every week, there maybe a feeling of "what's the use?" Driving to a lower classification contest hours away may not be appealing enough to overcome the inconvenience unless there is already a need to see.

Leave it to the lower "D" schools to cover. It would be much easier to just stick to the bigger schools in or near the bigger cities and leave the rest to others. Unless such a kid one day wins the Harlon Hill Trophy, we will never know he was overlooked.

By all means, what is your remedy?

Having kids spend an hour and a half a day on a bus to go to big consolidated county high?

He said lower "D"

OH horror of horrors. A player might actually have to go to a...gasp...FCS school. Everyone knows they can't produce anything of value.

If only their HS had more facilities, that child would have gone to a FBS school, he woulda been drafted by the Seattle Seahawks, He would have been a contender.

Joe Flacco should have gone to an FBS school, he might have amounted to something.

(02-08-2014 04:06 PM)SunDogII Wrote:  OH horror of horrors. A player might actually have to go to a...gasp...FCS school. Everyone knows they can't produce anything of value.

If only their HS had more facilities, that child would have gone to a FBS school, he woulda been drafted by the Seattle Seahawks, He would have been a contender.

Joe Flacco should have gone to an FBS school, he might have amounted to something.

I waiting for you to break into a cheer "WE ARE #1 IN FCS recruiting!!" OR "WE ARE #1 IN D2 - OR D3" Maybe in a few more years, we won't have ANY D1 recruits in our state to count at all. This year's 5 & 6 were a new (low) record, but records are "made to be broken" right?