(02-05-2014 11:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  This is a perfect illustration that relationships matter more than most of the great reasons thrown around explaining realignment.

Basically the story boils down to this, Dodd met with the AD and became comfortable he was someone he could work with.

This is very true, Tom Jurich called in many favors from people he'd connected with over the years to help in any way possible w/ the sales pitch of his school to the ACC.


The waiting hours for the guy to show, however, is precisely why Dodds needed to go. That's tin-pot dictator BS of the worst kind. If you're going to be a dictator, at least act w/ some humility. I guess so long in power though completely obfuscates that...

(02-05-2014 01:27 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 11:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  This is a perfect illustration that relationships matter more than most of the great reasons thrown around explaining realignment.

Basically the story boils down to this, Dodd met with the AD and became comfortable he was someone he could work with.

This is very true, Tom Jurich called in many favors from people he'd connected with over the years to help in any way possible w/ the sales pitch of his school to the ACC.


The waiting hours for the guy to show, however, is precisely why Dodds needed to go. That's tin-pot dictator BS of the worst kind. If you're going to be a dictator, at least act w/ some humility. I guess so long in power though completely obfuscates that...

Absolute power, corrupts absolutely!

(02-05-2014 10:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  Something about this story doesn't ring true to me. As I read it, after I had read the posts on this thread, it certainly seemed to me that the gist of the story was that DeLoss Dodds was a pompous, arrogant ass who singlehandedly ruled the B12. Then I got to a part of the story that made me scratch my head. This story was supposedly related by the TCU AD at a B12 meeting to celebrate the career of DeLoss Dodds.

What's wrong with this picture?

This sounds to me like a roast of Dodds. Even if it wasn't at a roast, a lot of times people share made-up stories at retirement parties.

This story might fit in with Dodds' character (probably an exaggerated version of his character), but I'll bet everyone who heard it live knew that this isn't how things went down for TCU.

(02-05-2014 03:01 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 10:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  Something about this story doesn't ring true to me. As I read it, after I had read the posts on this thread, it certainly seemed to me that the gist of the story was that DeLoss Dodds was a pompous, arrogant ass who singlehandedly ruled the B12. Then I got to a part of the story that made me scratch my head. This story was supposedly related by the TCU AD at a B12 meeting to celebrate the career of DeLoss Dodds.

What's wrong with this picture?

This sounds to me like a roast of Dodds. Even if it wasn't at a roast, a lot of times people share made-up stories at retirement parties.

This story might fit in with Dodds' character (probably an exaggerated version of his character), but I'll bet everyone who heard it live knew that this isn't how things went down for TCU.

He told this story to me at breakfast last fall.

(02-05-2014 10:56 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Del Conte's patience and perseverance made TCU $20 million per year.

plus a 6-12 conference record in football since joining b12

and a 2-26 conference record in mens bb

two and twenty-six

just awesome

And they'd still do it 100 times out of 100 rather than stay in a left out G5 conference that makes a pittance

(02-05-2014 03:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  And they'd still do it 100 times out of 100 rather than stay in a left out G5 conference that makes a pittance

texas pays their b!tches very well

i dont deny that

Wow. Way to run a conference, B12. No market research. No comparing media footprints or recruiting access. No strategic thinking to block the ACC and compete for another block of schools. Just good ol' boys schmoozing.

I guess we can feel fortunate that the AD of SW Missouri St didn't have an even bigger SOB story to tell.

So... what could have been...

The B12 aggressively pursues FSU and Clemson and reels them in. They need a championship game, so the B12 goes after a couple other eastern schools, Louisville and WVU. And to match the growth of the B1G and SEC, the B12 adds TCU and Georgia Tech.

Now we have a solid 14 member league with
EAST - WVU, Louisville, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, TCU, Baylor
WEST - ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, Tex, TTU

(02-05-2014 03:49 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 03:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  And they'd still do it 100 times out of 100 rather than stay in a left out G5 conference that makes a pittance

P5 conferences pay their b!tches very well

i dont deny that

FIFY

(02-05-2014 03:54 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  So... what could have been...

The B12 aggressively pursues FSU and Clemson and reels them in. They need a championship game, so the B12 goes after a couple other eastern schools, Louisville and WVU. And to match the growth of the B1G and SEC, the B12 adds TCU and Georgia Tech.

Now we have a solid 14 member league with
EAST - WVU, Louisville, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, TCU, Baylor
WEST - ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, Tex, TTU

Louisville sure, but FSU, CU and GT were never coming to the B12.

More realistically (but still good) would have been Louisville, WVU, Cincy and BYU

North
KU/KSU/ISU/UC/WVU/UL

South
BYU/BU/UT/TTU/OU/OSU

(02-05-2014 03:55 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 03:49 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 03:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  And they'd still do it 100 times out of 100 rather than stay in a left out G5 conference that makes a pittance

P5 conferences pay their b!tches very well

i dont deny that

FIFY

true dat

i gave texas as the example

because the story was about dodds

(02-05-2014 03:01 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 10:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  Something about this story doesn't ring true to me. As I read it, after I had read the posts on this thread, it certainly seemed to me that the gist of the story was that DeLoss Dodds was a pompous, arrogant ass who singlehandedly ruled the B12. Then I got to a part of the story that made me scratch my head. This story was supposedly related by the TCU AD at a B12 meeting to celebrate the career of DeLoss Dodds.

What's wrong with this picture?

This sounds to me like a roast of Dodds. Even if it wasn't at a roast, a lot of times people share made-up stories at retirement parties.

This story might fit in with Dodds' character (probably an exaggerated version of his character), but I'll bet everyone who heard it live knew that this isn't how things went down for TCU.

It may have or not, but Dodds is old school, come from a generation in Texas where multi-million dollar deals were done on a handshake. Might have gone down, exactly this way; Conte kissed the ring.

(02-05-2014 04:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Louisville sure, but FSU, CU and GT were never coming to the Big 12

Louisville was the key. If The Big 12 had invited Louisville and WVU it would gave forced The ACC to take UConn, another northeastern school. FSU and Clemson were very much against that. I would never say FSU and Clemson to The Big 12 was a sure thing but both may have been more receptive.
CJ

(02-05-2014 04:22 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 03:01 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This story might fit in with Dodds' character (probably an exaggerated version of his character), but I'll bet everyone who heard it live knew that this isn't how things went down for TCU.

It may have or not, but Dodds is old school, come from a generation in Texas where multi-million dollar deals were done on a handshake. Might have gone exactly this way; Conte kissed the ring.

Agree with BigCat… Dodds and Conte are the only two who know for sure what happened, but the story is at least plausible to me: Conte is a man willing to kiss ass, and Dodds is a man who wants his ass to be kissed. There is a certain mutuality of agendas there.

What this story proves to me is realignment is not a totally rational process ( like I thought) just like everything else in life it's built on personal relationships and building those relationships. Every AD and college President should read this who has desires for their school to be in a better conference.

(02-05-2014 04:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 03:54 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  So... what could have been...

The B12 aggressively pursues FSU and Clemson and reels them in. They need a championship game, so the B12 goes after a couple other eastern schools, Louisville and WVU. And to match the growth of the B1G and SEC, the B12 adds TCU and Georgia Tech.

Now we have a solid 14 member league with
EAST - WVU, Louisville, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, TCU, Baylor
WEST - ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, Tex, TTU

Louisville sure, but FSU, CU and GT were never coming to the B12.

More realistically (but still good) would have been Louisville, WVU, Cincy and BYU

North
KU/KSU/ISU/UC/WVU/UL

South
BYU/BU/UT/TTU/OU/OSU

Even though BYU is the biggest non-P5 out there, my 4th would have been Memphis. The tigers would have tied the other three better to the rest of the conference and would have added a third basketball king to Kansas and Louisville.

BYU to the west with WV and company to the east would have made the conference too spread out to the point of ridiculousness and thereby appearing second rate. A BYU, Boise St., UNLV and San Diego St. might have been a wise move also.

In short, the Big 12 could have gone east or west, but not both.

(02-05-2014 07:05 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 04:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 03:54 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  So... what could have been...

The B12 aggressively pursues FSU and Clemson and reels them in. They need a championship game, so the B12 goes after a couple other eastern schools, Louisville and WVU. And to match the growth of the B1G and SEC, the B12 adds TCU and Georgia Tech.

Now we have a solid 14 member league with
EAST - WVU, Louisville, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, TCU, Baylor
WEST - ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, Tex, TTU

Louisville sure, but FSU, CU and GT were never coming to the B12.

More realistically (but still good) would have been Louisville, WVU, Cincy and BYU

North
KU/KSU/ISU/UC/WVU/UL

South
BYU/BU/UT/TTU/OU/OSU

Even though BYU is the biggest non-P5 out there, my 4th would have been Memphis. The tigers would have tied the other three better to the rest of the conference and would have added a third basketball king to Kansas and Louisville.

BYU to the west with WV and company to the east would have made the conference too spread out to the point of ridiculousness and thereby appearing second rate. A BYU, Boise St., UNLV and San Diego St. might have been a wise move also.

In short, the Big 12 could have gone east or west, but not both.

I don't think Memphis would be in over any of BYU, Cincy, or UCF/USF.

(02-05-2014 01:27 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 11:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  This is a perfect illustration that relationships matter more than most of the great reasons thrown around explaining realignment.

Basically the story boils down to this, Dodd met with the AD and became comfortable he was someone he could work with.

This is very true, Tom Jurich called in many favors from people he'd connected with over the years to help in any way possible w/ the sales pitch of his school to the ACC.


The waiting hours for the guy to show, however, is precisely why Dodds needed to go. That's tin-pot dictator BS of the worst kind. If you're going to be a dictator, at least act w/ some humility. I guess so long in power though completely obfuscates that...

Maybe Del Conte didn't have an appointment?

(02-05-2014 03:52 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Wow. Way to run a conference, B12. No market research. No comparing media footprints or recruiting access. No strategic thinking to block the ACC and compete for another block of schools. Just good ol' boys schmoozing.

I guess we can feel fortunate that the AD of SW Missouri St didn't have an even bigger SOB story to tell.

All of that had already been done. This was just getting the ADs to reach a consensus on a team.