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(01-12-2015 06:34 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  what am I missing? neither player rated or heavily recruited. Why are we looking at these guys? Can't we do better?

I was thinking the same thing.....
We have to compete with FBS' Marshall, WKU, MTSU, and UTEP, not FCS' Fordham, Towson, and Duquesne

Rememeber the coaches could have a totally different grade than 247 or rivals. Those grades arent gospel

(01-12-2015 06:40 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 06:34 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  what am I missing? neither player rated or heavily recruited. Why are we looking at these guys? Can't we do better?

I was thinking the same thing.....
We have to compete with FBS' Marshall, WKU, MTSU, and UTEP, not FCS' Fordham, Towson, and Duquesne

Have no idea why they are on our radar and why they aren't ranked or recruited.May be the coaches are seeing something else that made them offer. Recruiting is sometimes magic to a common eye.

(01-12-2015 10:02 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 06:40 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 06:34 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  what am I missing? neither player rated or heavily recruited. Why are we looking at these guys? Can't we do better?

I was thinking the same thing.....
We have to compete with FBS' Marshall, WKU, MTSU, and UTEP, not FCS' Fordham, Towson, and Duquesne

Have no idea why they are on our radar and why they aren't ranked or recruited.May be the coaches are seeing something else that made them offer. Recruiting is sometimes magic to a common eye.

Devin Hannan
Offensive Tackle
Ht: 6-4 | Wt: 275

Could be several factors, however his size makes you do a double check..

(01-12-2015 10:02 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 06:40 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 06:34 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  what am I missing? neither player rated or heavily recruited. Why are we looking at these guys? Can't we do better?

I was thinking the same thing.....
We have to compete with FBS' Marshall, WKU, MTSU, and UTEP, not FCS' Fordham, Towson, and Duquesne

Have no idea why they are on our radar and why they aren't ranked or recruited.May be the coaches are seeing something else that made them offer. Recruiting is sometimes magic to a common eye.

OL are the most difficult to rate in HS. There are quite a few under the radar OL that become high NFL draft picks. A couple of years ago the #1 OL in the NFL draft played FCS football.

(12-17-2014 09:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:23 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Is he playing DE or Shooting Guard? J/K, Jevon Kearse was a similar size at that point, hopefully we move to the 3-4 and he can come in as a pass rushing specialist after adding 10 more pounds.

Why do you want to go to the 3-4? That is about as personnel sensitive as any defense there is.

Do we have a top notch NT?
How about ILBs?

Last night, and the OSU/'Bama game are why the 3-4 scares me to death. IMO, you almost have to have NFL draft level personnel to make it work at the college level, and even then we saw draws and counters eat up Oregon and Alabama.

There are the "well we won't see an OSU at our level", and "Bama doesn't really run the a 3-4 except first down" arguments; however, it's all relative, and maybe the 3-4 cover 4 works well against a spread, but if we don't have the right personnel, a well designed running game is going to eat our lunch, IMO

(01-12-2015 05:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Who are these two?

Devin Hannan, OT from PA. Unrated by 247 right now. Currently committed to Towson. ODU offered him after his commitment.

http://247sports.com/Player/Devin-Hannan-77135

Zachariah Hoyt, C from Salem, VA. Unrated by 247 right now. Currently has 1 offer, from BYU.

http://247sports.com/Player/Zachariah-Hoyt-77575

Markeyvious Adams, WR from SC. 3 star prospect from 247. Currently holds 8 offers, including NC State and Marshall. Appears he's expected to choose between ODU and App. State though.

http://247sports.com/Player/Markeyvious-Adams-30706

(01-13-2015 09:04 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:23 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Is he playing DE or Shooting Guard? J/K, Jevon Kearse was a similar size at that point, hopefully we move to the 3-4 and he can come in as a pass rushing specialist after adding 10 more pounds.

Why do you want to go to the 3-4? That is about as personnel sensitive as any defense there is.

Do we have a top notch NT?
How about ILBs?

Last night, and the OSU/'Bama game are why the 3-4 scares me to death. IMO, you almost have to have NFL draft level personnel to make it work at the college level, and even then we saw draws and counters eat up Oregon and Alabama.

There are the "well we won't see an OSU at our level", and "Bama doesn't really run the a 3-4 except first down" arguments; however, it's all relative, and maybe the 3-4 cover 4 works well against a spread, but if we don't have the right personnel, a well designed running game is going to eat our lunch, IMO

There is no schematic reason why a 3-4 would be poor vs. the run. In fact, I would probably argue depending on personnel, you should be better vs. the run. If you put a couple 300 pounders at the 5 technique and a 320 guy at NT and play gap control, it's going to be tough to run on.

In my opinion it had to do with talent. Ohio States offensive line looked amazing at that running back is truly top class.

Has Banning made his choice yet?

(01-12-2015 06:40 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 06:34 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  what am I missing? neither player rated or heavily recruited. Why are we looking at these guys? Can't we do better?

I was thinking the same thing.....
We have to compete with FBS' Marshall, WKU, MTSU, and UTEP, not FCS' Fordham, Towson, and Duquesne

Those are good questions. Maybe you should ask Tyler Fisher.

(01-13-2015 09:41 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Has Banning made his choice yet?

Not yet. Said it would be coming soon............that was 3 weeks ago. Early signing day is quickly approaching. I believe it is Wed. Feb 4, 2015 in 3 weeks.

(01-13-2015 09:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 09:04 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:23 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Is he playing DE or Shooting Guard? J/K, Jevon Kearse was a similar size at that point, hopefully we move to the 3-4 and he can come in as a pass rushing specialist after adding 10 more pounds.

Why do you want to go to the 3-4? That is about as personnel sensitive as any defense there is.

Do we have a top notch NT?
How about ILBs?

Last night, and the OSU/'Bama game are why the 3-4 scares me to death. IMO, you almost have to have NFL draft level personnel to make it work at the college level, and even then we saw draws and counters eat up Oregon and Alabama.

There are the "well we won't see an OSU at our level", and "Bama doesn't really run the a 3-4 except first down" arguments; however, it's all relative, and maybe the 3-4 cover 4 works well against a spread, but if we don't have the right personnel, a well designed running game is going to eat our lunch, IMO

There is no schematic reason why a 3-4 would be poor vs. the run. In fact, I would probably argue depending on personnel, you should be better vs. the run. If you put a couple 300 pounders at the 5 technique and a 320 guy at NT and play gap control, it's going to be tough to run on.

In my opinion it had to do with talent. Ohio States offensive line looked amazing at that running back is truly top class.

Agree on the rb, but actually it didn't look to me like it was so much about the OSU Oline per se. In fact it looked like Oregon was pushing off on them pretty well. What I saw were counters and delays that took advantage of the Oregon defensive front, the the wide open space between the line and the ILBs and a rb that linebackers couldn't tackle.

Yes, it is indeed about personnel. It is all about personnel. As I have said before, the 3-4 is the most personnel sensitive defense there is. That is why it scares me at this level. I don't see ODU getting almost draft level D Linemen and ILBs often.

The only thing that could keep Hannon from being a three-star recruit is if he is a four-star. Hoyt is a dominating center. He also should be a three-star, and Adams is a three-star 6'4" wide receiver -- you gotta love that. All three of these are guys we need to sign.

On another note -- if you have the time, watch the Adams Hudl highlights and watch the left guard. This kid will not play division I football, but you really have to like this kid. He is all heart.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1751879/markeyvious-adams

(01-13-2015 10:01 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 09:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 09:04 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:23 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Is he playing DE or Shooting Guard? J/K, Jevon Kearse was a similar size at that point, hopefully we move to the 3-4 and he can come in as a pass rushing specialist after adding 10 more pounds.

Why do you want to go to the 3-4? That is about as personnel sensitive as any defense there is.

Do we have a top notch NT?
How about ILBs?

Last night, and the OSU/'Bama game are why the 3-4 scares me to death. IMO, you almost have to have NFL draft level personnel to make it work at the college level, and even then we saw draws and counters eat up Oregon and Alabama.

There are the "well we won't see an OSU at our level", and "Bama doesn't really run the a 3-4 except first down" arguments; however, it's all relative, and maybe the 3-4 cover 4 works well against a spread, but if we don't have the right personnel, a well designed running game is going to eat our lunch, IMO

There is no schematic reason why a 3-4 would be poor vs. the run. In fact, I would probably argue depending on personnel, you should be better vs. the run. If you put a couple 300 pounders at the 5 technique and a 320 guy at NT and play gap control, it's going to be tough to run on.

In my opinion it had to do with talent. Ohio States offensive line looked amazing at that running back is truly top class.

Agree on the rb, but actually it didn't look to me like it was so much about the OSU Oline per se. In fact it looked like Oregon was pushing off on them pretty well. What I saw were counters and delays that took advantage of the Oregon defensive front, the the wide open space between the line and the ILBs and a rb that linebackers couldn't tackle.

Yes, it is indeed about personnel. It is all about personnel. As I have said before, the 3-4 is the most personnel sensitive defense there is. That is why it scares me at this level. I don't see ODU getting almost draft level D Linemen and ILBs often.

From the little bit I saw and the little bit of analysis on twitter, it appeared Oregon never committed more than 7 to stop the run and their inside linebackers committed to the LOS too soon, getting them out of lanes and allowing the trap plays to be set up perfectly.

(01-13-2015 10:07 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 10:01 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 09:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 09:04 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 09:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Why do you want to go to the 3-4? That is about as personnel sensitive as any defense there is.

Do we have a top notch NT?
How about ILBs?

Last night, and the OSU/'Bama game are why the 3-4 scares me to death. IMO, you almost have to have NFL draft level personnel to make it work at the college level, and even then we saw draws and counters eat up Oregon and Alabama.

There are the "well we won't see an OSU at our level", and "Bama doesn't really run the a 3-4 except first down" arguments; however, it's all relative, and maybe the 3-4 cover 4 works well against a spread, but if we don't have the right personnel, a well designed running game is going to eat our lunch, IMO

There is no schematic reason why a 3-4 would be poor vs. the run. In fact, I would probably argue depending on personnel, you should be better vs. the run. If you put a couple 300 pounders at the 5 technique and a 320 guy at NT and play gap control, it's going to be tough to run on.

In my opinion it had to do with talent. Ohio States offensive line looked amazing at that running back is truly top class.

Agree on the rb, but actually it didn't look to me like it was so much about the OSU Oline per se. In fact it looked like Oregon was pushing off on them pretty well. What I saw were counters and delays that took advantage of the Oregon defensive front, the the wide open space between the line and the ILBs and a rb that linebackers couldn't tackle.

Yes, it is indeed about personnel. It is all about personnel. As I have said before, the 3-4 is the most personnel sensitive defense there is. That is why it scares me at this level. I don't see ODU getting almost draft level D Linemen and ILBs often.

From the little bit I saw and the little bit of analysis on twitter, it appeared Oregon never committed more than 7 to stop the run and their inside linebackers committed to the LOS too soon, getting them out of lanes and allowing the trap plays to be set up perfectly.

Yes.

When Oregon did try top stop the run by committing the ILBs, OSU passed short, 5-10 yards, very successfully.
It appeared to me that by the 2nd half, Oregon had decided that it would rather just let OSU run than allow the short passes.

IMO, a defense with 4 down linemen is much less susceptible to those counters and traps, and at the same time allowing LBs to protect short.

What you are saying is absolutely true from a scheme standpoint, but to make it work at last night's level you really need extraordinary ILBs.

(01-13-2015 10:06 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  The only thing that could keep Hannon from being a three-star recruit is if he is a four-star. Hoyt is a dominating center. He also should be a three-star, and Adams is a three-star 6'4" wide receiver -- you gotta love that. All three of these are guys we need to sign.

On another note -- if you have the time, watch the Adams Hudl highlights and watch the left guard. This kid will not play division I football, but you really have to like this kid. He is all heart.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1751879/markeyvious-adams

Often if a recruit was not dominating in his junior year they may fly under the radar. There are so many other factors that can impact ratings….. where they play, coaches, school, family and even their own desire to market themselves. It is like everything else, the rating and ranking of recruits has become a business and often times the squeaky wheel gets the oil. I have noticed who is recruiting them will have an impact on ratings as well.

If they blow up their senior year without the proper vehicle to get them noticed they may not catch the attention of ranking agents. I am not saying this is the case here, but It may be. But I can tell you if any or all of these guys were to be picked up by Tech or UVA, they would immediately be rated 3 or possibly 4 * recruits. We have all seen it happen many times.

UPDATE.... Noticed 247 upgraded Devin Hannan rating with his ODU commitment (3* - 80 pts)

(01-13-2015 09:41 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Has Banning made his choice yet?

Baning is not happening evan said ODU and he parted ways.

This would really suck.
We have invested a lot into this recruit. To not land him would be a big hit.
Need to find another BiG OL guy to fill the spot.

(01-13-2015 01:34 PM)Big Blue Crazy Wrote:  This would really suck.
We have invested a lot into this recruit. To not land him would be a big hit.
Need to find another BiG OL guy to fill the spot.

Yep i liked his pancaking too. We need to find a good alternative soon as the dead period ends tomorrow and coaches will be on the road from 15th.

(01-13-2015 04:37 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:34 PM)Big Blue Crazy Wrote:  This would really suck.
We have invested a lot into this recruit. To not land him would be a big hit.
Need to find another BiG OL guy to fill the spot.

Yep i liked his pancaking too. We need to find a good alternative soon as the dead period ends tomorrow and coaches will be on the road from 15th.

You need to watch Hannon's highlight video.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1733614/high.../166142377