(01-27-2014 06:49 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 09:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Why exactly is SMU forking over huge money to Larry Brown if they still need to cheat to land big time players?

Between this fiasco and the June Jones mess, I really don't understand what the hell is going on at SMU. They have tons and tons of money yet can't get their ish straight on the athletics front.

Because we didn't need to cheat. No wrongdoing by SMU here at all.

questions.....were grades changed at his HS and what's his eligibility status?

(01-27-2014 10:22 AM)Comet Wrote:  It was a good run pony bros, time for our second death penalty!

Come on Comet, you knew this would turn out just fine.

(01-27-2014 06:51 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 06:49 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 09:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Why exactly is SMU forking over huge money to Larry Brown if they still need to cheat to land big time players?

Between this fiasco and the June Jones mess, I really don't understand what the hell is going on at SMU. They have tons and tons of money yet can't get their ish straight on the athletics front.

Because we didn't need to cheat. No wrongdoing by SMU here at all.

questions.....were grades changed at his HS and what's his eligibility status?

Grades were changed at his HS. And then changed back before he cleared the NCAA clearinghouse. See below from SMU's statement:


SMU received the final transcript on July 1, confirming the student’s graduation, with grades and credits indicating the student could qualify for SMU admission and NCAA eligibility. The alleged grade change on an earlier interim report was not reflected on the official transcript and thus did not have an impact on admission to SMU or NCAA eligibility.

(01-27-2014 10:46 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 10:06 AM)The Real LHS81 Wrote:  HELL! UCF can't even cheat at basketball and win. . . Just ask Donnie Jones

Well we were top 25 during cheating which is more than smu cheating has resulted in so far, aside from some highly touted recruits.

Memphis has done the most with their official cheating tho, NCAA champ game runner up.

SMU cheating resulted in a share of the football national championship.

We haven't cheated since the 80s aside from the Burgers and Cheer scandal a few years ago (we fired the coach over a booster buying a player a hamburger and some laundry detergent)

(01-27-2014 01:01 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 06:12 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Tweet from UH beat writer Joe Duarte re: SMU-UH postgame:

SMU hoops apparently has player under investigation for alleged grade fixing, according to line of questioning by @wfaachannel8 in presser

TV reporter began questioning Larry Brown post game. Brown said he was unaware

Well, that is tried and true methodology from the University of North Carolina @ Chapel Hill. Larry is a true alum.

UNC fixes grades in college classes. This was a fixed grade at a high school that SMU had nothing to do with AND the grade was changed back shortly thereafter.

(01-27-2014 01:16 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  SMU has grade fixing amongst the basketball program and their head football coach is partying it up in Hawaii during the most important recruiting period of the year.

Yikes.

Strike the underlined part and you have a good post.

(01-27-2014 04:50 PM)Comet Wrote:  That's what I was hoping, but we'll see.

Come on Comet, you don't trust me?

Posted 6 times in a row in the same thread?

Doth protest too much?

(01-27-2014 07:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Posted 6 times in a row in the same thread?

Doth protest too much?

Only making good on what I said above:

(01-27-2014 06:42 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  Every single one of you who immediately jumped to the conclusion that SMU was cheating are about to be called out.

(01-27-2014 06:52 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 10:22 AM)Comet Wrote:  It was a good run pony bros, time for our second death penalty!

Come on Comet, you knew this would turn out just fine.

I was hoping it would but when things seem too good to be true around these parts... it usually is! I have a cynical outlook on life - keeping expectations low removes heartache down the road.

(01-27-2014 06:55 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 10:46 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 10:06 AM)The Real LHS81 Wrote:  HELL! UCF can't even cheat at basketball and win. . . Just ask Donnie Jones

Well we were top 25 during cheating which is more than smu cheating has resulted in so far, aside from some highly touted recruits.

Memphis has done the most with their official cheating tho, NCAA champ game runner up.

SMU cheating resulted in a share of the football national championship.

We haven't cheated since the 80s ....

You nor anyone else knows if the above is true...since your or anyone else has been in SMU's athletic dept for the past 30 plus years nor has been present in every interaction in regards to recruiting for all sports.

Only thing that is definite is that SMU hasn't been penalized/caught since.....

(01-28-2014 08:46 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 06:55 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 10:46 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 10:06 AM)The Real LHS81 Wrote:  HELL! UCF can't even cheat at basketball and win. . . Just ask Donnie Jones

Well we were top 25 during cheating which is more than smu cheating has resulted in so far, aside from some highly touted recruits.

Memphis has done the most with their official cheating tho, NCAA champ game runner up.

SMU cheating resulted in a share of the football national championship.

We haven't cheated since the 80s ....

You nor anyone else knows if the above is true...since your or anyone else has been in SMU's athletic dept for the past 30 plus years nor has been present in every interaction in regards to recruiting for all sports.

Only thing that is definite is that SMU hasn't been penalized/caught since.....

You aren't familiar with the culture at SMU...as due to being gun-shy after the death penalty, SMU admin jumps over themselves to report anything that even gets close to an NCAA violation.

We fired a coach over a hamburger and laundry detergent.

Here's Part II of Dallas ABC Station Ch 8 WFAA:

DISD: Basketball player earned diploma, despite questions in report

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/college/Dalla...21131.html

Some key info from the above report:

A) Frazier's HS Basketball Coach illegally changed one of Frazier's grades

B) Frazier initially was inelligible for graduation because of missed school days but that information unknowingly vanished from his HS records.

C) Frazier's HS Asst Principal said Frazier should not have been eligible for graduation and now Frazier's Principal has now told investigators that “highly probable” that Frazier "should not have been certified for graduation.”

(01-26-2014 06:28 PM)The Real LHS81 Wrote:  not concerned about it. People just don't like it when a program that has been kicked around for so long suddenly has a good team

There is usually a (cheating) reason for that. Ya know?

(01-28-2014 09:15 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 06:28 PM)The Real LHS81 Wrote:  not concerned about it. People just don't like it when a program that has been kicked around for so long suddenly has a good team

There is usually a (cheating) reason for that. Ya know?

Still not concerned. This story is a non-issue. . . Other than February being sweepstakes month for the local news station

(01-28-2014 09:15 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 06:28 PM)The Real LHS81 Wrote:  not concerned about it. People just don't like it when a program that has been kicked around for so long suddenly has a good team

There is usually a (cheating) reason for that. Ya know?

(01-28-2014 08:52 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Here's Part II of Dallas ABC Station Ch 8 WFAA:

DISD: Basketball player earned diploma, despite questions in report

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/college/Dalla...21131.html

Some key info from the above report:

A) Frazier's HS Basketball Coach illegally changed one of Frazier's grades

B) Frazier initially was inelligible for graduation because of missed school days but that information unknowingly vanished from his HS records.

C) Frazier's HS Asst Principal said Frazier should not have been eligible for graduation and now Frazier's Principal has now told investigators that “highly probable” that Frazier "should not have been certified for graduation.”

How is this a non issue? Seems very similar to the D Rose situation.

(01-28-2014 11:25 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 08:52 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Here's Part II of Dallas ABC Station Ch 8 WFAA:

DISD: Basketball player earned diploma, despite questions in report

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/college/Dalla...21131.html

Some key info from the above report:

A) Frazier's HS Basketball Coach illegally changed one of Frazier's grades

B) Frazier initially was inelligible for graduation because of missed school days but that information unknowingly vanished from his HS records.

C) Frazier's HS Asst Principal said Frazier should not have been eligible for graduation and now Frazier's Principal has now told investigators that “highly probable” that Frazier "should not have been certified for graduation.”

How is this a non issue? Seems very similar to the D Rose situation.

Obviously its an issue that is being looked at.

To see academic fraud happening in Dallas at a local HS for a 5-star athlete and said 5-star athlete just so happens to end up at the local college (SMU), its pretty obvious that there seems to be a connection (i.e. Dallas Schools fail thousands of kids each and every year...but they seemed to do things to help this 5 star athlete, who had already signed with SMU, and most of these academic fraud issues at his Dallas HS popped up AFTER he had signed with SMU last April.

Coincidence?

(01-28-2014 11:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 11:25 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 08:52 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Here's Part II of Dallas ABC Station Ch 8 WFAA:

DISD: Basketball player earned diploma, despite questions in report

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/college/Dalla...21131.html

Some key info from the above report:

A) Frazier's HS Basketball Coach illegally changed one of Frazier's grades

B) Frazier initially was inelligible for graduation because of missed school days but that information unknowingly vanished from his HS records.

C) Frazier's HS Asst Principal said Frazier should not have been eligible for graduation and now Frazier's Principal has now told investigators that “highly probable” that Frazier "should not have been certified for graduation.”

How is this a non issue? Seems very similar to the D Rose situation.

Obviously its an issue that is being looked at.

To see academic fraud happening in Dallas at a local HS for a 5-star athlete and said 5-star athlete just so happens to end up at the local college (SMU), its pretty obvious that there seems to be a connection (i.e. Dallas Schools fail thousands of kids each and every year...but they seemed to do things to help this 5 star athlete, who had already signed with SMU, and most of these academic fraud issues at his Dallas HS popped up AFTER he had signed with SMU last April.

Coincidence?

Right and the bigger point is that there is precedent with the fools at the NCAA that if you play an ineligible player, you take the hit even if you were not involved with the process of covering up his grades/SAT scores. I want SMU to win and hope they don't get punished for this (nor do I believe they deserve to but the NCAA is a joke), but this would worry me just as the program is on the rise.

(01-28-2014 11:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 11:25 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 08:52 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Here's Part II of Dallas ABC Station Ch 8 WFAA:

DISD: Basketball player earned diploma, despite questions in report

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/college/Dalla...21131.html

Some key info from the above report:

A) Frazier's HS Basketball Coach illegally changed one of Frazier's grades

B) Frazier initially was inelligible for graduation because of missed school days but that information unknowingly vanished from his HS records.

C) Frazier's HS Asst Principal said Frazier should not have been eligible for graduation and now Frazier's Principal has now told investigators that “highly probable” that Frazier "should not have been certified for graduation.”

How is this a non issue? Seems very similar to the D Rose situation.

Obviously its an issue that is being looked at.

To see academic fraud happening in Dallas at a local HS for a 5-star athlete and said 5-star athlete just so happens to end up at the local college (SMU), its pretty obvious that there seems to be a connection (i.e. Dallas Schools fail thousands of kids each and every year...but they seemed to do things to help this 5 star athlete, who had already signed with SMU, and most of these academic fraud issues at his Dallas HS popped up AFTER he had signed with SMU last April.

Coincidence?

Read the actual DISD report in which the Kimball basketball coach trashes SMU and refuses to help with Keith's grades as he "did not have a working relationship with" SMU and Ulric Maligi refuses to use the falsified report card (falsified by an assistant soccer coach, not the hoops coach) for admissions purposes because he suspects it is wrong.

The WFAA report leaves that info out because it does not fit the narrative.