(01-24-2014 08:28 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 02:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  God...UConn is benefiting from some truly horrendous contracts drawn up by absolutely terrible GM's. That Rudy Gay contract is laughably bad and one of the worst in the league along with Gerald Wallace's, Andris Biedrins', and Kendrick Perkins', and Gordon, Villanueva, and Rip were impressively overpaid on their last cycle with the Pistons (I'm a fan, and I think Joe Dumars owes the fans a 15 minute egg throwing session during our last home game of the season this year). Ray Allen was paid on past performance which is alright though.

Do you watch the NBA closely? Rudy Gay has been unbelievably productive and efficient in Sacramento.

Yes...I've been an avid NBA fan since I was 5 when I went to my first Pistons game. I'd judge Rudy on his past 3 seasons, not his past 3 months. He's a shoot first player who isnt a good shooter at all, and he's a marginal defender at best. Just look at what Memphis and Toronto traded for him to understand what great NBA minds think about him. Masai Ujiri is one of the brightest young minds in basketball, and he got as far away from Gay as he possibly could. You can't POSSIBLY think that Rudy Gay at his absolutely best is worth 2 yr/$38M. That's ludicrous.

(01-24-2014 08:28 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 02:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  God...UConn is benefiting from some truly horrendous contracts drawn up by absolutely terrible GM's. That Rudy Gay contract is laughably bad and one of the worst in the league along with Gerald Wallace's, Andris Biedrins', and Kendrick Perkins', and Gordon, Villanueva, and Rip were impressively overpaid on their last cycle with the Pistons (I'm a fan, and I think Joe Dumars owes the fans a 15 minute egg throwing session during our last home game of the season this year). Ray Allen was paid on past performance which is alright though.

Do you watch the NBA closely? Rudy Gay has been unbelievably productive and efficient in Sacramento.

You've been suckered into Rudy's trap. So much potential, so much "upside," just wait for it to all come together....none of which ever materializes when it counts.

I know that UConn produces great basketball players as evidenced by the NCAA championships and tournament successes and I love being in a conference with the Huskies. However, after the Thabeet and Rudy Gay experiences, it's obvious that no matter how good Huskies may be on the college level, they won't work out as NBA players in Memphis.

(01-24-2014 09:00 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 08:28 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 02:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  God...UConn is benefiting from some truly horrendous contracts drawn up by absolutely terrible GM's. That Rudy Gay contract is laughably bad and one of the worst in the league along with Gerald Wallace's, Andris Biedrins', and Kendrick Perkins', and Gordon, Villanueva, and Rip were impressively overpaid on their last cycle with the Pistons (I'm a fan, and I think Joe Dumars owes the fans a 15 minute egg throwing session during our last home game of the season this year). Ray Allen was paid on past performance which is alright though.

Do you watch the NBA closely? Rudy Gay has been unbelievably productive and efficient in Sacramento.

Toronto is a crud franchise. I live near Toronto and go to a few games a year. They're awful

Yes...I've been an avid NBA fan since I was 5 when I went to my first Pistons game. I'd judge Rudy on his past 3 seasons, not his past 3 months. He's a shoot first player who isnt a good shooter at all, and he's a marginal defender at best. Just look at what Memphis and Toronto traded for him to understand what great NBA minds think about him. Masai Ujiri is one of the brightest young minds in basketball, and he got as far away from Gay as he possibly could. You can't POSSIBLY think that Rudy Gay at his absolutely best is worth 2 yr/$38M. That's ludicrous.

Now you're seeing what Gay can do when he's on a team with decent players even if their record isn't great. It's a good trade for them.

UConn has actually produced a string of solid NBA players, and they are known for a low failure rate even with Villanueva and Thabeet.

Cliff Robinson, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Caron Butler, even Ben Gordon for his first years. Kemba and Lamb pick up where Allen and Hamilton drop off. Drummond will be their best big man, with Okafor averaging a double-double over his career.

Rudy is still young at 27. He started playing in the NBA shortly after his 19-20th birthday. They are 10-11 since he got to SAC against a western schedule. They were 5-14 before that.

(01-24-2014 09:39 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 08:28 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 02:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  God...UConn is benefiting from some truly horrendous contracts drawn up by absolutely terrible GM's. That Rudy Gay contract is laughably bad and one of the worst in the league along with Gerald Wallace's, Andris Biedrins', and Kendrick Perkins', and Gordon, Villanueva, and Rip were impressively overpaid on their last cycle with the Pistons (I'm a fan, and I think Joe Dumars owes the fans a 15 minute egg throwing session during our last home game of the season this year). Ray Allen was paid on past performance which is alright though.

Do you watch the NBA closely? Rudy Gay has been unbelievably productive and efficient in Sacramento.

You've been suckered into Rudy's trap. So much potential, so much "upside," just wait for it to all come together....none of which ever materializes when it counts.

I know that UConn produces great basketball players as evidenced by the NCAA championships and tournament successes and I love being in a conference with the Huskies. However, after the Thabeet and Rudy Gay experiences, it's obvious that no matter how good Huskies may be on the college level, they won't work out as NBA players in Memphis.

I think Ray Allen would have worked out fine in Memphis. You may have had bad experiences with UCONN alum on the Grizzlies, but that has nothing to do with UCONN alum as a whole and them working out in the NBA.

(01-24-2014 09:39 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 08:28 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 02:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  God...UConn is benefiting from some truly horrendous contracts drawn up by absolutely terrible GM's. That Rudy Gay contract is laughably bad and one of the worst in the league along with Gerald Wallace's, Andris Biedrins', and Kendrick Perkins', and Gordon, Villanueva, and Rip were impressively overpaid on their last cycle with the Pistons (I'm a fan, and I think Joe Dumars owes the fans a 15 minute egg throwing session during our last home game of the season this year). Ray Allen was paid on past performance which is alright though.

Do you watch the NBA closely? Rudy Gay has been unbelievably productive and efficient in Sacramento.

You've been suckered into Rudy's trap. So much potential, so much "upside," just wait for it to all come together....none of which ever materializes when it counts.

I know that UConn produces great basketball players as evidenced by the NCAA championships and tournament successes and I love being in a conference with the Huskies. However, after the Thabeet and Rudy Gay experiences, it's obvious that no matter how good Huskies may be on the college level, they won't work out as NBA players in Memphis.

One of the most ignorant statements ever. UConn had more players pan out in the NBA over the last 25 years than any other NCAA school. Do you want a list? This is like saying Alabama sucks at producing pro football players because of Rolando McClain. The list of UConn guys who became NBA starters is pretty long.

I never said anything about UConn not being able to produce quality NBA'ers, I simply said that your place on this list benefits greatly from incredibly bad contracts penned by incompetent front office execs. That's not an indictment of the ability of UConn to produce NBA level talent, it's an indictment of the NBA playing with the house's money so to speak (then again a $4B/year revenue will do that to you).

(01-24-2014 09:48 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:39 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 08:28 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 02:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  God...UConn is benefiting from some truly horrendous contracts drawn up by absolutely terrible GM's. That Rudy Gay contract is laughably bad and one of the worst in the league along with Gerald Wallace's, Andris Biedrins', and Kendrick Perkins', and Gordon, Villanueva, and Rip were impressively overpaid on their last cycle with the Pistons (I'm a fan, and I think Joe Dumars owes the fans a 15 minute egg throwing session during our last home game of the season this year). Ray Allen was paid on past performance which is alright though.

Do you watch the NBA closely? Rudy Gay has been unbelievably productive and efficient in Sacramento.

You've been suckered into Rudy's trap. So much potential, so much "upside," just wait for it to all come together....none of which ever materializes when it counts.

I know that UConn produces great basketball players as evidenced by the NCAA championships and tournament successes and I love being in a conference with the Huskies. However, after the Thabeet and Rudy Gay experiences, it's obvious that no matter how good Huskies may be on the college level, they won't work out as NBA players in Memphis.

One of the most ignorant statements ever. UConn had more players pan out in the NBA over the last 25 years than any other NCAA school. Do you want a list? This is like saying Alabama sucks at producing pro football players because of Rolando McClain. The list of UConn guys who became NBA starters is pretty long.

I gave credit to UConn for producing good players. I merely stated that they don't seem to work out in Memphis. As a matter of fact, my comment was worded about as congenial as possible.

Therefore, we disagree regarding who is making ignorant, or incorrectly worded statements.

(01-24-2014 09:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:39 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 08:28 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 02:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  God...UConn is benefiting from some truly horrendous contracts drawn up by absolutely terrible GM's. That Rudy Gay contract is laughably bad and one of the worst in the league along with Gerald Wallace's, Andris Biedrins', and Kendrick Perkins', and Gordon, Villanueva, and Rip were impressively overpaid on their last cycle with the Pistons (I'm a fan, and I think Joe Dumars owes the fans a 15 minute egg throwing session during our last home game of the season this year). Ray Allen was paid on past performance which is alright though.

Do you watch the NBA closely? Rudy Gay has been unbelievably productive and efficient in Sacramento.

You've been suckered into Rudy's trap. So much potential, so much "upside," just wait for it to all come together....none of which ever materializes when it counts.

I know that UConn produces great basketball players as evidenced by the NCAA championships and tournament successes and I love being in a conference with the Huskies. However, after the Thabeet and Rudy Gay experiences, it's obvious that no matter how good Huskies may be on the college level, they won't work out as NBA players in Memphis.

I think Ray Allen would have worked out fine in Memphis. You may have had bad experiences with UCONN alum on the Grizzlies, but that has nothing to do with UCONN alum as a whole and them working out in the NBA.

Agree

(01-24-2014 09:58 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I never said anything about UConn not being able to produce quality NBA'ers, I simply said that your place on this list benefits greatly from incredibly bad contracts penned by incompetent front office execs. That's not an indictment of the ability of UConn to produce NBA level talent, it's an indictment of the NBA playing with the house's money so to speak (then again a $4B/year revenue will do that to you).

Again, I doubt this is true. Most of the contracts are for players who have been producing. But you have to weigh it against other schools, who also have players in the same situations. When ESPN took a fine tooth comb over this very question last summer, UConn came in second.

Rudy Gay w/ 35 points, 12 boards, and 6 assists tonight (10-16 shooting/0-1/15-17 free throws). He is playing the best basketball of his career for more than a quarter of the season he's been with the Kings. He finally has decent players alongside him, and that's making a big difference than playing at the disaster that is the Toronto franchise. We've seen several players leave Toronto in the past and immediately become good players for their new teams, and the effect is showing with Gay.

(02-01-2014 09:25 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  Rudy Gay w/ 35 points, 12 boards, and 6 assists tonight (10-16 shooting/0-1/15-17 free throws). He is playing the best basketball of his career for more than a quarter of the season he's been with the Kings. He finally has decent players alongside him, and that's making a big difference than playing at the disaster that is the Toronto franchise. We've seen several players leave Toronto in the past and immediately become good players for their new teams, and the effect is showing with Gay.

Didn't they lose that game? Haven't they lost 7 in a row and 9 out of 10? Wasn't that the point of the criticism against him in this thread?

He's averaging 21/5/4 in the last ten. the result is 1-9. Unfortunately that has been sort of the story of his career. And Memphis actually playing better when he was injured was an ultimate indictment. He is not a bad play player. But there is something about him, like Tracy McGrady, and like Chris Bosh, where they simply cannot lead a team.

(02-03-2014 06:22 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 09:25 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  Rudy Gay w/ 35 points, 12 boards, and 6 assists tonight (10-16 shooting/0-1/15-17 free throws). He is playing the best basketball of his career for more than a quarter of the season he's been with the Kings. He finally has decent players alongside him, and that's making a big difference than playing at the disaster that is the Toronto franchise. We've seen several players leave Toronto in the past and immediately become good players for their new teams, and the effect is showing with Gay.

Didn't they lose that game? Haven't they lost 7 in a row and 9 out of 10? Wasn't that the point of the criticism against him in this thread?

He's averaging 21/5/4 in the last ten. the result is 1-9. Unfortunately that has been sort of the story of his career. And Memphis actually playing better when he was injured was an ultimate indictment. He is not a bad play player. But there is something about him, like Tracy McGrady, and like Chris Bosh, where they simply cannot lead a team.

He was injured for 3 games recently, so how could they go 1-9 and win without him? The numbers are off. He is playing lights out, and we are talking about Sacramento, right?

Demarcus Cousins has been injured, by the way.

As I said, his shooting %s are way way up.

(02-03-2014 09:57 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  He was injured for 3 games recently, so how could they go 1-9 and win without him? The numbers are off. He is playing lights out, and we are talking about Sacramento, right?

Demarcus Cousins has been injured, by the way.

As I said, his shooting %s are way way up.

Nothing I said was incorrect. Re-read.

Anyway Sacramento is all of one win better percentage-wise since he arrived (6-13 before the trade, 10-19 after). So it's mostly a wash. On the other hand, Toronto was 6-12 with him, won 2 of the next 3 w/o him or the people he was traded for, and have gone 20-10 since the trade. That is mind boggling. As I said, his reputation has been teams improve when he leaves. Toronto would be the second team in as many years. That is not a good thing, no matter how you spin it. Thus it goes back to what I/we said. EH is severely overpaid.

Nobody will ever catch Kentucky on that list as long as Cal keeps pumping 1 and dones into the NBA. Just by sheer numbers they'll dominate.
I'm a UConn fan and always felt Thabeet should have stayed in school for another year, but when you're a lottery pick you can't turn it down, regardless of how much more seasoning you need.

(02-04-2014 01:11 PM)Fairfield_1st Wrote:  Nobody will ever catch Kentucky on that list as long as Cal keeps pumping 1 and dones into the NBA. Just by sheer numbers they'll dominate.

Yup in two ways. One because kids go there just to get drafted (even though many actually regress in skills and take much longer to develop into NBA players then similarly ranked players who go elsewhere). But also because the roster turnover is so fast,that a normal program might cycle through 15 recruits in a 4 year period, whereas they go thru 25-30

(02-04-2014 11:23 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 09:57 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  He was injured for 3 games recently, so how could they go 1-9 and win without him? The numbers are off. He is playing lights out, and we are talking about Sacramento, right?

Demarcus Cousins has been injured, by the way.

As I said, his shooting %s are way way up.

Nothing I said was incorrect. Re-read.

Anyway Sacramento is all of one win better percentage-wise since he arrived (6-13 before the trade, 10-19 after). So it's mostly a wash. On the other hand, Toronto was 6-12 with him, won 2 of the next 3 w/o him or the people he was traded for, and have gone 20-10 since the trade. That is mind boggling. As I said, his reputation has been teams improve when he leaves. Toronto would be the second team in as many years. That is not a good thing, no matter how you spin it. Thus it goes back to what I/we said. EH is severely overpaid.

The two teams play tonight. So we'll see. Playing Miami and west teams multiple times early is sure different than playing the Eastern teams. SAC is going nowhere in the west for a reason. Look at the conferences. Huge difference. Brooklyn suffered the same fate when they had a west heavy schedule early.

(02-04-2014 11:23 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 09:57 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  He was injured for 3 games recently, so how could they go 1-9 and win without him? The numbers are off. He is playing lights out, and we are talking about Sacramento, right?

Demarcus Cousins has been injured, by the way.

As I said, his shooting %s are way way up.

Nothing I said was incorrect. Re-read.

Anyway Sacramento is all of one win better percentage-wise since he arrived (6-13 before the trade, 10-19 after). So it's mostly a wash. On the other hand, Toronto was 6-12 with him, won 2 of the next 3 w/o him or the people he was traded for, and have gone 20-10 since the trade. That is mind boggling. As I said, his reputation has been teams improve when he leaves. Toronto would be the second team in as many years. That is not a good thing, no matter how you spin it. Thus it goes back to what I/we said. EH is severely overpaid.

We've had almost a full season since the trade went down, and Rudy Gay not only reupped on his max contract with Sacramento (despite you saying he was overpaid) but now he's become a real force and fan favorite and is making a push for the ALL-STAR game.

Guy is bonafide.

And yes, playing for Toronto can make you look bad, as many have found out.

(12-09-2014 10:40 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:23 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 09:57 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  He was injured for 3 games recently, so how could they go 1-9 and win without him? The numbers are off. He is playing lights out, and we are talking about Sacramento, right?

Demarcus Cousins has been injured, by the way.

As I said, his shooting %s are way way up.

Nothing I said was incorrect. Re-read.

Anyway Sacramento is all of one win better percentage-wise since he arrived (6-13 before the trade, 10-19 after). So it's mostly a wash. On the other hand, Toronto was 6-12 with him, won 2 of the next 3 w/o him or the people he was traded for, and have gone 20-10 since the trade. That is mind boggling. As I said, his reputation has been teams improve when he leaves. Toronto would be the second team in as many years. That is not a good thing, no matter how you spin it. Thus it goes back to what I/we said. EH is severely overpaid.

We've had almost a full season since the trade went down, and Rudy Gay not only reupped on his max contract with Sacramento (despite you saying he was overpaid) but now he's become a real force and fan favorite and is making a push for the ALL-STAR game.

Guy is bonafide.

And yes, playing for Toronto can make you look bad, as many have found out.

Some posters in this thread should try this pie: