(01-24-2014 02:05 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 01:46 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Well since you asked, and distant history is now just as important as what's taking place today, the Cajuns were the first team to be invited to the NCAA basketball playoffs in their first year in D-1.....and that was when the playoffs consisted of 21 teams. IIRC, we were ranked #4 in the country at one point.

You were in the Southland Conference and this happened:

"In August 1973, Louisiana-Lafayette—then known as Southwestern Louisiana—became only the second school to receive the so-called "death penalty" from the NCAA. The basketball team was found guilty of over 120 violations. Most of them involved small cash payments to players, letting players borrow coaches' and boosters' cars, letting players use university credit cards to buy gas and buying clothes and other objects for players. However, the most severe violations involved massive academic fraud. In the most egregious case, an assistant coach altered a recruit's high school transcript and forged the principal's signature. Several boosters arranged for surrogates to take college entrance exams for prospective recruits. The NCAA Council found the violations so egregious that it wanted to throw Southwestern Louisiana out of the NCAA altogether. It settled for scrubbing the Ragin' Cajuns' 1972 and 1973 NCAA Tournament appearances from the books"


Glad you are proud of it.

We are proud of what we accomplished to this day. Coach Beryl Shipley broke racial barriers that got him black-balled by the white powers in the state until well after his death.

And in a nutshell, what rubbed the NCAA the wrong way was that we had the nads to challenge them in court. My how things have changed today. The NCAA now bends over and grabs their ankles for the P's.

Glad to see that you're so obsessed with the Cajuns you're researching our past. That makes us proud too.

Speaking of our '77 Final Four, Lew Massey passed away yesterday. RIP #23

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/01...uLIehAo7cs

(01-24-2014 03:04 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 02:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some of you are freaking STUPID if you think any football win the SBC had up to this point, or baseball win, or any win in any other sport is more important than a conference school getting to the F4.

As a matter of fact NOTHING the SBC did in football or baseball or what ever is as valuable as Western's sweet 16 in 2007-08

You can add up all the 1-aa titles our conference members have together and it doesn't = the F4

I don't think it is big for the SunBelt at all at this point.

I would bet anything that 98% of people, not including UNCC supporters, could tell you what SB team made the final 4.

What has that done for this conference the past 30 years? Nothing.

I would put ya'lls sweet 16 appearance as being a bigger accomplishment than what Charlotte did in the 50's.

Look 98% of people can't tell you who won the NCAA tourney 2 years ago so that means nothing. The greatest accomplishment the SBC had is UNCC F4 and nothing else is close. It doesn't matter what it means to the conference today but you can't dismiss the past.

If we are going by recent and by some peoples standards it wouldn't even be recent since it happen in 2001...but the move as a conference to FBS football is the most important event to happen to the conference.

But that's not a accomplishment

(01-24-2014 03:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 03:04 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 02:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some of you are freaking STUPID if you think any football win the SBC had up to this point, or baseball win, or any win in any other sport is more important than a conference school getting to the F4.

As a matter of fact NOTHING the SBC did in football or baseball or what ever is as valuable as Western's sweet 16 in 2007-08

You can add up all the 1-aa titles our conference members have together and it doesn't = the F4

I don't think it is big for the SunBelt at all at this point.

I would bet anything that 98% of people, not including UNCC supporters, could tell you what SB team made the final 4.

What has that done for this conference the past 30 years? Nothing.

I would put ya'lls sweet 16 appearance as being a bigger accomplishment than what Charlotte did in the 50's.

Look 98% of people can't tell you who won the NCAA tourney 2 years ago so that means nothing. The greatest accomplishment the SBC had is UNCC F4 and nothing else is close. It doesn't matter what it means to the conference today but you can't dismiss the past.

If we are going by recent and by some peoples standards it wouldn't even be recent since it happen in 2001...but the move as a conference to FBS football is the most important event to happen to the conference.

But that's not a accomplishment

I think most of us don't consider basketball important enough, nor do we think that a 70's Final Four was hard enough to consider the feat it would be today.

I would rate a 70's final Four about the same as an Elite 8 or Sweet 16 bid today. I would put a baseball trip to Omaha at the same level as UNC-C's Final Four...

(01-24-2014 06:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 03:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 03:04 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 02:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some of you are freaking STUPID if you think any football win the SBC had up to this point, or baseball win, or any win in any other sport is more important than a conference school getting to the F4.

As a matter of fact NOTHING the SBC did in football or baseball or what ever is as valuable as Western's sweet 16 in 2007-08

You can add up all the 1-aa titles our conference members have together and it doesn't = the F4

I don't think it is big for the SunBelt at all at this point.

I would bet anything that 98% of people, not including UNCC supporters, could tell you what SB team made the final 4.

What has that done for this conference the past 30 years? Nothing.

I would put ya'lls sweet 16 appearance as being a bigger accomplishment than what Charlotte did in the 50's.

Look 98% of people can't tell you who won the NCAA tourney 2 years ago so that means nothing. The greatest accomplishment the SBC had is UNCC F4 and nothing else is close. It doesn't matter what it means to the conference today but you can't dismiss the past.

If we are going by recent and by some peoples standards it wouldn't even be recent since it happen in 2001...but the move as a conference to FBS football is the most important event to happen to the conference.

But that's not a accomplishment

I think most of us don't consider basketball important enough, nor do we think that a 70's Final Four was hard enough to consider the feat it would be today.

I would rate a 70's final Four about the same as an Elite 8 or Sweet 16 bid today. I would put a baseball trip to Omaha at the same level as UNC-C's Final Four...

Your opinion but you are wrong on at least 2 different levels....

1. you had no one going to the NBA from HS or at the very least their Jr season and very few at that...so the talented, skill bigman mostly stayed in school all 4 years and so did the rest of the talent.

had to win 3 games instead of 4 but that made little difference

beat a decent Central Michigan
Beat a really good 26-3 Syracuse (#6 in the AP)
Beat a really good 26-3 Michigan (#1 in the AP)

2. To compare the level of the NCAA F4 national interest or importance's to baseball is beyond silly. About the only person that would make that assumption would be someone that didn't care for basketball...or loved baseball or both

(01-24-2014 06:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 06:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 03:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 03:04 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 02:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some of you are freaking STUPID if you think any football win the SBC had up to this point, or baseball win, or any win in any other sport is more important than a conference school getting to the F4.

As a matter of fact NOTHING the SBC did in football or baseball or what ever is as valuable as Western's sweet 16 in 2007-08

You can add up all the 1-aa titles our conference members have together and it doesn't = the F4

I don't think it is big for the SunBelt at all at this point.

I would bet anything that 98% of people, not including UNCC supporters, could tell you what SB team made the final 4.

What has that done for this conference the past 30 years? Nothing.

I would put ya'lls sweet 16 appearance as being a bigger accomplishment than what Charlotte did in the 50's.

Look 98% of people can't tell you who won the NCAA tourney 2 years ago so that means nothing. The greatest accomplishment the SBC had is UNCC F4 and nothing else is close. It doesn't matter what it means to the conference today but you can't dismiss the past.

If we are going by recent and by some peoples standards it wouldn't even be recent since it happen in 2001...but the move as a conference to FBS football is the most important event to happen to the conference.

But that's not a accomplishment

I think most of us don't consider basketball important enough, nor do we think that a 70's Final Four was hard enough to consider the feat it would be today.

I would rate a 70's final Four about the same as an Elite 8 or Sweet 16 bid today. I would put a baseball trip to Omaha at the same level as UNC-C's Final Four...

Your opinion but you are wrong on at least 2 different levels....

1. you had no one going to the NBA from HS or at the very least their Jr season and very few at that...so the talented, skill bigman mostly stayed in school all 4 years and so did the rest of the talent.

had to win 3 games instead of 4 but that made little difference

beat a decent Central Michigan
Beat a really good 26-3 Syracuse (#6 in the AP)
Beat a really good 26-3 Michigan (#1 in the AP)

2. To compare the level of the NCAA F4 national interest or importance's to basebase is beyond silly. About the only person that would make that assumption would be someone that didn't care for basketball...or loved baseball or both

Well...I am one who doesn't care for college basketball...so there you go.

You forget I am the only one advocating ASU drop basketball entirely, so we can use the money to make football great.

(01-24-2014 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 06:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 06:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 03:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 03:04 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  I don't think it is big for the SunBelt at all at this point.

I would bet anything that 98% of people, not including UNCC supporters, could tell you what SB team made the final 4.

What has that done for this conference the past 30 years? Nothing.

I would put ya'lls sweet 16 appearance as being a bigger accomplishment than what Charlotte did in the 50's.

Look 98% of people can't tell you who won the NCAA tourney 2 years ago so that means nothing. The greatest accomplishment the SBC had is UNCC F4 and nothing else is close. It doesn't matter what it means to the conference today but you can't dismiss the past.

If we are going by recent and by some peoples standards it wouldn't even be recent since it happen in 2001...but the move as a conference to FBS football is the most important event to happen to the conference.

But that's not a accomplishment

I think most of us don't consider basketball important enough, nor do we think that a 70's Final Four was hard enough to consider the feat it would be today.

I would rate a 70's final Four about the same as an Elite 8 or Sweet 16 bid today. I would put a baseball trip to Omaha at the same level as UNC-C's Final Four...

Your opinion but you are wrong on at least 2 different levels....

1. you had no one going to the NBA from HS or at the very least their Jr season and very few at that...so the talented, skill bigman mostly stayed in school all 4 years and so did the rest of the talent.

had to win 3 games instead of 4 but that made little difference

beat a decent Central Michigan
Beat a really good 26-3 Syracuse (#6 in the AP)
Beat a really good 26-3 Michigan (#1 in the AP)

2. To compare the level of the NCAA F4 national interest or importance's to basebase is beyond silly. About the only person that would make that assumption would be someone that didn't care for basketball...or loved baseball or both

Well...I am one who doesn't care for college basketball...so there you go.

You forget I am the only one advocating ASU drop basketball entirely, so we can use the money to make football great.

I knew exactly where you view was coming from and I'm sure others on this board would love it if the money spent on basketball could be spent for football...

some schools can do both :)

Maybe I'll feel different when my Panthers have something equivalent to brag about, but I have to agree that a Final Four appearance, even in 1977, is really impressive to have on a program's resume. I have a hard time putting anything less than a BCS (er..."access") bowl above it.

(01-24-2014 06:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 06:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 06:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 03:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Look 98% of people can't tell you who won the NCAA tourney 2 years ago so that means nothing. The greatest accomplishment the SBC had is UNCC F4 and nothing else is close. It doesn't matter what it means to the conference today but you can't dismiss the past.

If we are going by recent and by some peoples standards it wouldn't even be recent since it happen in 2001...but the move as a conference to FBS football is the most important event to happen to the conference.

But that's not a accomplishment

I think most of us don't consider basketball important enough, nor do we think that a 70's Final Four was hard enough to consider the feat it would be today.

I would rate a 70's final Four about the same as an Elite 8 or Sweet 16 bid today. I would put a baseball trip to Omaha at the same level as UNC-C's Final Four...

Your opinion but you are wrong on at least 2 different levels....

1. you had no one going to the NBA from HS or at the very least their Jr season and very few at that...so the talented, skill bigman mostly stayed in school all 4 years and so did the rest of the talent.

had to win 3 games instead of 4 but that made little difference

beat a decent Central Michigan
Beat a really good 26-3 Syracuse (#6 in the AP)
Beat a really good 26-3 Michigan (#1 in the AP)

2. To compare the level of the NCAA F4 national interest or importance's to basebase is beyond silly. About the only person that would make that assumption would be someone that didn't care for basketball...or loved baseball or both

Well...I am one who doesn't care for college basketball...so there you go.

You forget I am the only one advocating ASU drop basketball entirely, so we can use the money to make football great.

I knew exactly where you view was coming from and I'm sure others on this board would love it if the money spent on basketball could be spent for football...

some schools can do both :)

I agree, basketball is cool and all but it will never rival football when it comes to people caring.

(01-24-2014 07:36 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 06:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 06:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 06:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I think most of us don't consider basketball important enough, nor do we think that a 70's Final Four was hard enough to consider the feat it would be today.

I would rate a 70's final Four about the same as an Elite 8 or Sweet 16 bid today. I would put a baseball trip to Omaha at the same level as UNC-C's Final Four...

Your opinion but you are wrong on at least 2 different levels....

1. you had no one going to the NBA from HS or at the very least their Jr season and very few at that...so the talented, skill bigman mostly stayed in school all 4 years and so did the rest of the talent.

had to win 3 games instead of 4 but that made little difference

beat a decent Central Michigan
Beat a really good 26-3 Syracuse (#6 in the AP)
Beat a really good 26-3 Michigan (#1 in the AP)

2. To compare the level of the NCAA F4 national interest or importance's to basebase is beyond silly. About the only person that would make that assumption would be someone that didn't care for basketball...or loved baseball or both

Well...I am one who doesn't care for college basketball...so there you go.

You forget I am the only one advocating ASU drop basketball entirely, so we can use the money to make football great.

I knew exactly where you view was coming from and I'm sure others on this board would love it if the money spent on basketball could be spent for football...

some schools can do both :)

I agree, basketball is cool and all but it will never rival football when it comes to people caring.

Pretty much, and schools where basketball has been mediocre for years also notice a large amount of fans that suddenly place a baseball or softball type program ahead of basketball.

The point is that fans in the South generally support Football and whichever Olympic Sport wins the most. There are states like North Carolina and Kentucky where basketball is so historic that the situation is reversed...but for most of us...it all comes down to competitiveness.

Not trying to diminish the accomplishment of Charlotte... But I had no idea they were a final 4 team.

To be fair though, I have no idea who won last year, or who was in the final 4 either.

(01-22-2014 12:33 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  Sources?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ear-of-bcs

Funny thing about the "perception" stigma (IE, SBC & other G-5's are D-II)- I love winning FREE beers from 'Bama and Auburn fans who talk down about USA and argue with me when I inform them the Jags are in the exact, same division as their favorite team whose town they couldn't find on a GPS system.

Call me an SBC Nationalist and/or a "predator"... I'm fine with either.

(01-24-2014 02:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some of you are freaking STUPID if you think any football win the SBC had up to this point, or baseball win, or any win in any other sport is more important than a conference school getting to the F4.

As a matter of fact NOTHING the SBC did in football or baseball or what ever is as valuable as Western's sweet 16 in 2007-08

You can add up all the 1-aa titles our conference members have together and it doesn't = the F4

Getting to a final 4 is an accomplishment.

Hanging your hat on something that happened 50 years ago is pathetic.

^The SBC wasn't even around 50 years ago.

Plain fact, when talking SBC accomplishments, nothing has come close, regardless of time. Maybe App will come in and blow the SBC out of the water and make the SBC's second Final Four next year, but until then, no team in the SBC has done more. Next up would be the few College World Series runs that have been made by some SBC teams in baseball, then softball then WKU's sweet sixteen runs, yes plural, then maybe something in football.

BTW, those NCAA tournament appearances net more for the conference and its teams once costs are factored into it than anything the football teams have done for the conference.

(01-24-2014 03:04 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 02:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some of you are freaking STUPID if you think any football win the SBC had up to this point, or baseball win, or any win in any other sport is more important than a conference school getting to the F4.

As a matter of fact NOTHING the SBC did in football or baseball or what ever is as valuable as Western's sweet 16 in 2007-08

You can add up all the 1-aa titles our conference members have together and it doesn't = the F4

I don't think it is big for the SunBelt at all at this point.

I would bet anything that 98% of people, not including UNCC supporters, could tell you what SB team made the final 4.

What has that done for this conference the past 30 years? Nothing.

I would put ya'lls sweet 16 appearance as being a bigger accomplishment than what Charlotte did in the 50's.

I can't tell if you are being facetious or not, but it happened in 1977, the SBC's first year.

(01-22-2014 08:50 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 08:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 07:53 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 03:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I need to ask one question to the fans of UL-L, ASU, Troy, TXST, USA, ULM for the new kids to get better or maybe respectable is a better word that will take wins. So with all of this I think ...(fill in the) ____ will be respectable who here will consider it a really bad loss if it's against your team...probably the worse loss of the season at least for a couple seasons?


so that's the problem I see facing the SBC for the next few year till this "new move up tag goes away from App and G.Southern and then you have the always bottom of the barrel Idaho and a yet to win GSU

If everything stays stable the SBC gets past that but any gains up to this point and the gains are about like when a child reaches their teen years and you don't notice them for a few months..then you see them and they are just as big as everyone else. No longer this little punky kid.

Well now it's like not getting to that step and you have to go through the growing pains all over again and any loss to little brother can be crushing to the older kids that are ready to spread their wing and make their mark on the world....

and it will look like that to the outside also. And that's the problem the SBC is facing and only time and stabilizability can fix that. But lets not forget others are also growing up so even with the history of App & G Southern it's like a catch 22....

if they don't win it looks bad and if they do win it looks bad...for a couple years

Substitute ODU and UNCC (Charlotte) for APP and GaSo and the same applies to Cusa.

Correct but CUSA is ahead in the perception game and when you pick first and the other conference has to back fill with FCS schools you are precised to be strong.


To a football junky getting beat by App and G Southern looks better but overall perception is Charlotte and ODU must be better...they are in large cities. Again perception but....

Wrong. App is famous in the mid-west for beating Michigan so considered a relatively strong school, even amongst other college fans that are just die hard college fans... and Georgia Southern is famous for their recent win over Florida.

ODU is famous for the ass kicking that they got at the hands of UNC and UNCC isn't famous at all because they are just starting football and they played in a strong basketball conference full of private schools that they never won the bid in. So while some know the name from basketball its not a lot considering they never got to try and pull the upset.

Until they dropped the "UNC" from the front of their name, most people thought you were referring to the TarHeels when you mentioned UNC Charlotte, so I'd say they could be perceived as more prestigious, but only because they're confused with a more well known school.