What does "top conference" mean, especially when you include the A10? What other "top conference" did you include? Seems like possible cherry picking for an agenda w/o that info.

None were named Josh Pastner

(01-18-2014 10:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

None were named Josh Pastner

Well, that cinches it.

(01-18-2014 10:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

None were named Josh Pastner

In related news, Bruce Pearl mooned 12 people today. We should hire him.

(01-18-2014 10:15 PM)boss man Wrote:  He's feeding his agenda; simply finding new ways to bash Pastner.

Breaking news - Pastner is still the coach at MEMPHIS. He is 13-4 this year. He beat # 5 Ok State and # 8 (in one poll) Louisville. He is a recruiting wizard. He is 3-2 in this very competitive conference. MEMPHIS is around # 22 in RPI. The big dollar boosters will decide if and when he goes, not the TAMMS that occupy this board.

On to the Houston game.

41 in rpi actually.

(01-18-2014 10:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  What does "top conference" mean, especially when you include the A10? What other "top conference" did you include? Seems like possible cherry picking for an agenda w/o that info.

I used the power 5, and through in the A10 & the zags to help pad the wins. So no, I wasn't cherry picking. I was helping the W%.

(01-18-2014 05:55 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  13-24 over all with 5-4 this year. Of those 13 wins 3 against post pearl UT & 2 vs LSU & 1 in the NIT vs St. Johns.

For those who've said we just need the opportunity against top teams, your result this year, throwing out the junk teams, is 5-4. That with one top recruiting class after another.

Those are the stats. & stats are facts. This will be my only statement in this thread. I'm just going to let the facts do my arguing now.

FYI I've included non power conferences like the A10 in this as well.

That is a terrible, terrible record for a guy making 2.65 million per.

That's all.

(01-18-2014 10:15 PM)boss man Wrote:  He's feeding his agenda; simply finding new ways to bash Pastner.

Breaking news - Pastner is still the coach at MEMPHIS. He is 13-4 this year. He beat # 5 Ok State and # 8 (in one poll) Louisville. He is a recruiting wizard. He is 3-2 in this very competitive conference. MEMPHIS is around # 22 in RPI. The big dollar boosters will decide if and when he goes, not the TAMMS that occupy this board.

On to the Houston game.

But, as determined by some, coaching staff reads this board for suggestions, surely Fred Smith pops in once in a while to makes sure we're all happy with the coach.

(01-19-2014 04:28 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 10:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  What does "top conference" mean, especially when you include the A10? What other "top conference" did you include? Seems like possible cherry picking for an agenda w/o that info.

I used the power 5, and through in the A10 & the zags to help pad the wins. So no, I wasn't cherry picking. I was helping the W%.

Did you compare the average RPI of our opponents vs. some actual average elsewhere by ranked teams, and factor in home, road and neutral court, and key players missing due to injury? If not, it means nothing. Just another way to bash with stats.

Did you know that Pastner set a record for wins at Memphis for his 1st 4 seasons? See how stats can work, either way?

(01-19-2014 10:21 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 05:55 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  13-24 over all with 5-4 this year. Of those 13 wins 3 against post pearl UT & 2 vs LSU & 1 in the NIT vs St. Johns.

For those who've said we just need the opportunity against top teams, your result this year, throwing out the junk teams, is 5-4. That with one top recruiting class after another.

Those are the stats. & stats are facts. This will be my only statement in this thread. I'm just going to let the facts do my arguing now.

FYI I've included non power conferences like the A10 in this as well.

That is a terrible, terrible record for a guy making 2.65 million per.

That's all.

Pastner started making that salary THIS season.

So you're compiling all his W-L records from Day 1 after Fredo decimated the program on the way out the door to Lexington and INCORRECTLY attributing them to a coach that makes $2.65mm.

Try to be accurate in your attacks. You sometimes post decent stuff; my advice is don't be so flagrantly obvious with your agenda.

Just to cut to the chase - Pearl will never be hired here.

Quote:41 in rpi actually.

Thanks for the correction, Seth. I was going from memory.

(01-19-2014 10:35 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:21 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 05:55 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  13-24 over all with 5-4 this year. Of those 13 wins 3 against post pearl UT & 2 vs LSU & 1 in the NIT vs St. Johns.

For those who've said we just need the opportunity against top teams, your result this year, throwing out the junk teams, is 5-4. That with one top recruiting class after another.

Those are the stats. & stats are facts. This will be my only statement in this thread. I'm just going to let the facts do my arguing now.

FYI I've included non power conferences like the A10 in this as well.

That is a terrible, terrible record for a guy making 2.65 million per.

That's all.

Pastner started making that salary THIS season.

So you're compiling all his W-L records from Day 1 after Fredo decimated the program on the way out the door to Lexington and INCORRECTLY attributing them to a coach that makes $2.65mm.

Try to be accurate in your attacks. You sometimes post decent stuff; my advice is don't be so flagrantly obvious with your agenda.

Just to cut to the chase - Pearl will never be hired here.

Quote:41 in rpi actually.

Thanks for the correction, Seth. I was going from memory.

"Fredo" didn't decimate anything other than a single recruiting class of which only Dodson was signed. "Fredo" turned us into a national power and that is exactly what Josh inherited. Josh took over a top 5 program. He's doing a decent job but he is massively overpaid for what he is producing on the court.

(01-19-2014 10:35 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:21 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 05:55 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  13-24 over all with 5-4 this year. Of those 13 wins 3 against post pearl UT & 2 vs LSU & 1 in the NIT vs St. Johns.

For those who've said we just need the opportunity against top teams, your result this year, throwing out the junk teams, is 5-4. That with one top recruiting class after another.

Those are the stats. & stats are facts. This will be my only statement in this thread. I'm just going to let the facts do my arguing now.

FYI I've included non power conferences like the A10 in this as well.

That is a terrible, terrible record for a guy making 2.65 million per.

That's all.

Pastner started making that salary THIS season.

So you're compiling all his W-L records from Day 1 after Fredo decimated the program on the way out the door to Lexington and INCORRECTLY attributing them to a coach that makes $2.65mm.

Try to be accurate in your attacks. You sometimes post decent stuff; my advice is don't be so flagrantly obvious with your agenda.

Just to cut to the chase - Pearl will never be hired here.

Quote:41 in rpi actually.

Thanks for the correction, Seth. I was going from memory.

And if he were to be hired, much of the fanbase would leave. These rabid 'I hate Pastner above all others' types of threads detract from the legitimate criticisms and discussions that are rightly due a coach who loses two straight at home in his fifth year. They say there is no agenda but that is simply disingenuous; it's obvious to all that there is. If you want to debate how much better we would be having King or Iverson for this or that defense or offense, that's different.

(01-19-2014 10:42 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:35 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:21 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 05:55 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  13-24 over all with 5-4 this year. Of those 13 wins 3 against post pearl UT & 2 vs LSU & 1 in the NIT vs St. Johns.

For those who've said we just need the opportunity against top teams, your result this year, throwing out the junk teams, is 5-4. That with one top recruiting class after another.

Those are the stats. & stats are facts. This will be my only statement in this thread. I'm just going to let the facts do my arguing now.

FYI I've included non power conferences like the A10 in this as well.

That is a terrible, terrible record for a guy making 2.65 million per.

That's all.

Pastner started making that salary THIS season.

So you're compiling all his W-L records from Day 1 after Fredo decimated the program on the way out the door to Lexington and INCORRECTLY attributing them to a coach that makes $2.65mm.

Try to be accurate in your attacks. You sometimes post decent stuff; my advice is don't be so flagrantly obvious with your agenda.

Just to cut to the chase - Pearl will never be hired here.

Quote:41 in rpi actually.

Thanks for the correction, Seth. I was going from memory.

"Fredo" didn't decimate anything other than a single recruiting class of which only Dodson was signed. "Fredo" turned us into a national power and that is exactly what Josh inherited. Josh took over a top 5 program. He's doing a decent job but he is massively overpaid for what he is producing on the court.

Of course not, except for a few tiny little things like leaving us on probation, getting one of our best seasons vacated, talking players into declaring for the draft and leaving school when they had no business doing so. Recruiting our players to follow him to KY....did I leave anything out? Oh yea, the snow cone machine.
So yes, he did turn us back into a national power, while trying his best to burn it all to the ground on the way out of town in the middle of the night after that heartbreaking speech with tears in he eyes. Thanks to Josh his plan didn't work out the way he wanted it.

(01-19-2014 10:50 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:35 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:21 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 05:55 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  13-24 over all with 5-4 this year. Of those 13 wins 3 against post pearl UT & 2 vs LSU & 1 in the NIT vs St. Johns.

For those who've said we just need the opportunity against top teams, your result this year, throwing out the junk teams, is 5-4. That with one top recruiting class after another.

Those are the stats. & stats are facts. This will be my only statement in this thread. I'm just going to let the facts do my arguing now.

FYI I've included non power conferences like the A10 in this as well.

That is a terrible, terrible record for a guy making 2.65 million per.

That's all.

Pastner started making that salary THIS season.

So you're compiling all his W-L records from Day 1 after Fredo decimated the program on the way out the door to Lexington and INCORRECTLY attributing them to a coach that makes $2.65mm.

Try to be accurate in your attacks. You sometimes post decent stuff; my advice is don't be so flagrantly obvious with your agenda.

Just to cut to the chase - Pearl will never be hired here.

Quote:41 in rpi actually.

Thanks for the correction, Seth. I was going from memory.

And if he were to be hired, much of the fanbase would leave. These rabid 'I hate Pastner above all others' types of threads detract from the legitimate criticisms and discussions that are rightly due a coach who loses two straight at home in his fifth year. They say there is no agenda but that is simply disingenuous; it's obvious to all that there is. If you want to debate how much better we would be having King or Iverson for this or that defense or offense, that's different.

A lot would, I would not be one of them because I really do think that the program is bigger than the coach and love my Tigers too much. I don't have to like it.

(01-19-2014 10:56 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:50 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:35 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:21 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 05:55 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  13-24 over all with 5-4 this year. Of those 13 wins 3 against post pearl UT & 2 vs LSU & 1 in the NIT vs St. Johns.

For those who've said we just need the opportunity against top teams, your result this year, throwing out the junk teams, is 5-4. That with one top recruiting class after another.

Those are the stats. & stats are facts. This will be my only statement in this thread. I'm just going to let the facts do my arguing now.

FYI I've included non power conferences like the A10 in this as well.

That is a terrible, terrible record for a guy making 2.65 million per.

That's all.

Pastner started making that salary THIS season.

So you're compiling all his W-L records from Day 1 after Fredo decimated the program on the way out the door to Lexington and INCORRECTLY attributing them to a coach that makes $2.65mm.

Try to be accurate in your attacks. You sometimes post decent stuff; my advice is don't be so flagrantly obvious with your agenda.

Just to cut to the chase - Pearl will never be hired here.

Quote:41 in rpi actually.

Thanks for the correction, Seth. I was going from memory.

And if he were to be hired, much of the fanbase would leave. These rabid 'I hate Pastner above all others' types of threads detract from the legitimate criticisms and discussions that are rightly due a coach who loses two straight at home in his fifth year. They say there is no agenda but that is simply disingenuous; it's obvious to all that there is. If you want to debate how much better we would be having King or Iverson for this or that defense or offense, that's different.

A lot would, I would not be one of them because I really do think that the program is bigger than the coach and love my Tigers too much. I don't have to like it.

I agree with you. I love the team more than I hate a coach. Plus I don't use agenda based contorted stats to justify my dislike for said coach

(01-19-2014 10:42 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:35 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:21 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 05:55 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  13-24 over all with 5-4 this year. Of those 13 wins 3 against post pearl UT & 2 vs LSU & 1 in the NIT vs St. Johns.

For those who've said we just need the opportunity against top teams, your result this year, throwing out the junk teams, is 5-4. That with one top recruiting class after another.

Those are the stats. & stats are facts. This will be my only statement in this thread. I'm just going to let the facts do my arguing now.

FYI I've included non power conferences like the A10 in this as well.

That is a terrible, terrible record for a guy making 2.65 million per.

That's all.

Pastner started making that salary THIS season.

So you're compiling all his W-L records from Day 1 after Fredo decimated the program on the way out the door to Lexington and INCORRECTLY attributing them to a coach that makes $2.65mm.

Try to be accurate in your attacks. You sometimes post decent stuff; my advice is don't be so flagrantly obvious with your agenda.

Just to cut to the chase - Pearl will never be hired here.

Quote:41 in rpi actually.

Thanks for the correction, Seth. I was going from memory.

"Fredo" didn't decimate anything other than a single recruiting class of which only Dodson was signed. "Fredo" turned us into a national power and that is exactly what Josh inherited. Josh took over a top 5 program. He's doing a decent job but he is massively overpaid for what he is producing on the court.

You're not paying any of it, so you don't get a vote. And sometimes, pay is for potential, not results. Sometimes, pay is to keep a rising star from leaving. Sometimes, pay varies by company. Sometimes, other things besides wins count. Sometimes, individual school boosters are willing to pay more...

As for Calipari "leaving us with a top 5 program," we finished ranked #6, 5, 2 and 9, his last 4 years, so that is a consistent top 10, not 5, making that a slight overstatement.

But 4 years do not a "program" make. If you throw in his first five years, we finished unranked all 5 years. We did get votes some years, but no Top 25. If you generously give us a 30 average, that makes Cal's tenure an average of somewhere around 19. So now, it's a Top 20 program, not Top 5. Although 9 years do not a "program" make, either.

Now let's look at other factors.

1. Calipari had many years as a HC before starting here, including a F4 run with UMass. Pastner had no HC experience. To fairly compare the two, go back to Cal's first 4 years as a head coach. I'm not going to bother. It sure as hell wasn't a "Top 5 program."

2. Calipari and WWW cheated their azzes off here. D Rose wasn't the only recruit we got by doing something shady, not by a long shot. I'm sure that's fine with you, but let's at least acknowledge the difference. I prefer not cheating, representing the university in an exemplary manner, and helping graduate almost all of our players, along with on court success.

3. Calipari didn't just leave us with the advantages of a "Top 5" program (more accurately a Top 20 program), either. He left us on probation, with a vacated season, a bad reputation, and most of all, 6 scholarship players, none of whom were consistent starters or producers, and several with bad attitudes.

4. Even with those disadvantages, Pastner recruited well from the beginning, and has improved our on court results each year, while improving our university's image by a great amount.

(01-19-2014 02:20 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 10:15 PM)boss man Wrote:  He's feeding his agenda; simply finding new ways to bash Pastner.

Breaking news - Pastner is still the coach at MEMPHIS. He is 13-4 this year. He beat # 5 Ok State and # 8 (in one poll) Louisville. He is a recruiting wizard. He is 3-2 in this very competitive conference. MEMPHIS is around # 22 in RPI. The big dollar boosters will decide if and when he goes, not the TAMMS that occupy this board.

On to the Houston game.

41 in rpi actually.

Actually or rpi is 31 and kenpom we are 36

Once again the usual suspects come around with clear agendas and are not just offering a simple disagreement

Keep trying.

By the end of the year that record will likely be something like 16-7. Which is pretty typical of really good teams when the majority of their major games early are against tournament caliber teams and not Rutgers.

OP and Bluebeard are either the same person or lovers. Not sure which