(01-07-2014 12:13 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  NDSU in the MAC? Really? Similar to having a relationship with the Potato Bowl in Idaho or playing Idaho St.. Really? They are over +800 miles from every MAC school but one(NIU). They bring no $$$ to the league. We do not benefit from them being in the league.

Former MAC member, Central Florida, was +800 miles from every MAC school. And look at them now.

(01-07-2014 11:49 AM)7 Wrote:  They just lost their head coach. Odds are they're about to fall of a cliff.

I wouldn't count on that.

BTW, Craig Bohl was announced as the new coach on Wyoming on December 8th. But, he stayed on to coach NDSU throughout the FCS playoffs. Smart move by all concerned and it shows coaches don't HAVE to leave right away.

Bohl had more leverage than most coaches do going up a level. Also, had more than one exhibition game left on the schedule.

(01-07-2014 03:22 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 11:49 AM)7 Wrote:  They just lost their head coach. Odds are they're about to fall of a cliff.

I wouldn't count on that.

BTW, Craig Bohl was announced as the new coach on Wyoming on December 8th. But, he stayed on to coach NDSU throughout the FCS playoffs. Smart move by all concerned and it shows coaches don't HAVE to leave right away.

I could be wrong, but I believe they lose a huge portion of starters. FCS teams aren't usually deep and once they have a sustained run of success and lose the core, they fall off a cliff.

7 mentions App State. Once Marshall lost their core. EIU will probably fall off a cliff. The scholarship difference just doesn't allow for them to be very deep.

Also, I have watched the NDSU team and they are very well coached and disciplined, but they don't have great athletes or overall great speed. To compete yearly at the FBS, you need more speed and athletes. I do think this year they could have beat quite a few teams, but a week to week basis is different than going into K-State when they lost a lot of players and pulling off one upset.

Tremendous respect for 3 national titles and them being a well coached team and a fanbase that travels well but it doesn't mean it translates to CONSISTENT success at the FBS level. Especially in that recruiting territory.

NDSU would have whipped MANY FBS squads. As stated above they were well disciplined and coached. Good coaching and discipline will more often than not beat out talent and/or athleticism. You see that a lot in college hoops.


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(01-07-2014 11:51 AM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 11:37 AM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  But what about North Dakota State?

They destroyed every team they played in the playoffs. That's three National Championships in a row for NDSU.

I think they would beat the majority of FBS teams. With the increasing population of North Dakota, they just might move up someday.

i wonder why NDSU has not been pursued By the MAC. That would even out the divisions and add a quality school.

No one lives in North Dakota.

There's fewer people in that entire state than in the Akron "metro" area.

Oh, and about that "increasing" population.

North Dakota vs. S. Dakota and Alaska

If you add in Illinois you can see that Illinois has grown by the equivalent of the entire population of North Dakota in the last 15 years.

(01-07-2014 02:48 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:46 PM)Kansacity88 Wrote:  Wouldn't the MWC be the most logical conference for them to join? I have a son who has that NCAA football game and he created them in the game and uses them in the MWC. I mean think about it. They're closer to those teams than us.

EDIT: The poster above me beat me to it. ?


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they are very limited on expansion of the indoor stadium

With all the oil money out there, they could get a nice new stadium built in no time if it came to needing a new stadium.

(01-07-2014 02:54 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 12:13 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  NDSU in the MAC? Really? Similar to having a relationship with the Potato Bowl in Idaho or playing Idaho St.. Really? They are over +800 miles from every MAC school but one(NIU). They bring no $$$ to the league. We do not benefit from them being in the league.

Former MAC member, Central Florida, was +800 miles from every MAC school. And look at them now.

Very true. A couple BIG differences: fans would WANT to travel to Orlando for a road trip(and probably many NIU alums in Florida) then there is also the recruiting angle that doesn't exist in Fargo.

to be an expansion candidate NDSU will have to build a new indoor stadium. They got the Fargo taxpayers to foot the bill for the stadium they have now, who knows maybe they can pull that off again. Cost $56M in 1994 and they didn't pay for the construction.

Their baseball team also plays in a $5.5 M stadium that is a replica of the Schaumburg Boomers baseball stadium which seats 6K which NDST shares with the Fargo Northern League short season baseball team. They didn't pay to get that built either.

Must be nice to get the taxpayers and minor league franchise to pay for the facilities you use. Who knows maybe Fargo can get an MLS franchise to move up there and get them to pony up for a larger indoor stadium that NDST football can rent.

NDST has been well coached but to say that they don't have athletes that could play at G5 or even AQ schools is ridiculous given the success they have had in the last 8 years playing those programs. You don't beat the defending B12 champion(KSU, who beat up michigan in their bowl) without quality talent.

If the Texas/Florida DB & Athlete/WR verbals for NIU don't come thru, these 2 should be contacted

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...ins-141613

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...don-144200

(01-08-2014 01:06 PM)Policiious Wrote:  NDST has been well coached but to say that they don't have athletes that could play at G5 or even AQ schools is ridiculous given the success they have had in the last 8 years playing those programs. You don't beat the defending B12 champion(KSU, who beat up michigan in their bowl) without quality talent.

If the Texas/Florida DB & Athlete/WR verbals for NIU don't come thru, these 2 should be contacted

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...ins-141613

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...don-144200

I said they don't have the consistent pool of athletes to do it on a weekly basis. They play a style of football that is hard nose and tough. They currently don't have the type of players to do that week in and week out vs. FBS competition. They don't have the depth or size to impose their will weekly against the FBS.

Their string of success against FBS has been notable, but they've also done it against subpar FBS teams yearly (K-State is the exception).

If you disagree, fine. I'm just saying to pull off the upset when K-State lost most of their team is still impressive, but to win weekly in a G5 conference they would need an upgrade in player size and athleticism. Same argument that everyone says for a MAC school to compete weekly in the BigTen.

This year I think they could have been competitive in the MAC. Probably vying for a MACC. But to say they do it annually is not correct, because they lack the immediate depth and talent pool.

But K-State wasn't that great and had numerous new starters playing in the opener. Of course they pounded Michigan, they were hot garbage all year. K-State had a total of 3 wins over .500 opponents (Michigan included). Let's not make them out to be better than they are.