(12-26-2013 11:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:13 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 10:43 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 11:14 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 10:57 AM)Maize Wrote:  The difference is Notre Dame and the Subway Alums and of course Syracuse and even Pitt...the B1G is basically Rutgers in that area...

The Notre Dame Subway Alum are more football fans than BBall fans. Been to plenty of SJU/ND games in the Garden and they sporadically show up. They get more when they are better but it's still no guarantee they pack the place. It was always mostly SJU fans. FB games are different and I expect a ton of Irish fans at the Pinstripe Bowl.

Being the Irish are now in the best basketball league in the nation, they will probably have a bigger turnout than in the Big East days.

I wouldn't say that...ND fans are Football First. BTW, the old Big East was every bit as good as the ACC.

What going to be interesting...can the New BIG EAST draw without UConn, Pitt, Notre Dame and especially Syracuse to MSG.

And how will the attendance look going head to head with the ACC...Imagine @ MSG you have a Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's and Marquette Semifinals going Head to Head with a UNC, Duke, Syracuse and Louisville Semifinal at the Barclay Center...my $$$ is on the ACC in regards to attendance/exposure....

Yes, the new Big East will be able to draw without those schools. Creighton, for example, has already sold out its entire allotment of tournament packages. Creighton for goodness sakes! They're the school that's the farthest distance away. The school that doesn't have a major airport/hub in their city.

These are all basketball first schools. The conference basketball tournament is the high point of their athletic season. Half the conference can drive their and all 5 of those schools are closer to MSG than Syracuse is. The Big East will have no problem selling out its tournament.

(12-26-2013 02:54 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:13 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 10:43 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 11:14 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The Notre Dame Subway Alum are more football fans than BBall fans. Been to plenty of SJU/ND games in the Garden and they sporadically show up. They get more when they are better but it's still no guarantee they pack the place. It was always mostly SJU fans. FB games are different and I expect a ton of Irish fans at the Pinstripe Bowl.

Being the Irish are now in the best basketball league in the nation, they will probably have a bigger turnout than in the Big East days.

I wouldn't say that...ND fans are Football First. BTW, the old Big East was every bit as good as the ACC.

What going to be interesting...can the New BIG EAST draw without UConn, Pitt, Notre Dame and especially Syracuse to MSG.

And how will the attendance look going head to head with the ACC...Imagine @ MSG you have a Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's and Marquette Semifinals going Head to Head with a UNC, Duke, Syracuse and Louisville Semifinal at the Barclay Center...my $$$ is on the ACC in regards to attendance/exposure....

Yes, the new Big East will be able to draw without those schools. Creighton, for example, has already sold out its entire allotment of tournament packages. Creighton for goodness sakes! They're the school that's the farthest distance away. The school that doesn't have a major airport/hub in their city.

These are all basketball first schools. The conference basketball tournament is the high point of their athletic season. Half the conference can drive their and all 5 of those schools are closer to MSG than Syracuse is. The Big East will have no problem selling out its tournament.

True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-26-2013 02:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

So long as they hold their current standing among the power BBall conferences, probably yes, but it will indeed be interesting to follow.

(12-26-2013 03:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 02:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

So long as they hold their current standing among the power BBall conferences, probably yes, but it will indeed be interesting to follow.

That "standing" is already in jeopardy, if not for Nova this year. Even I am somewhat surprised by the fact that they only have 1 ranked team and only 1 other receiving votes in both polls.

As a former Big East fan, I hate to see what it will be in three years time. I thought it would take at least 5-10 years for the inevitable slide to take place. Now it could come as quickly as 3 years.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-26-2013 03:08 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 03:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 02:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

So long as they hold their current standing among the power BBall conferences, probably yes, but it will indeed be interesting to follow.

That "standing" is already in jeopardy, if not for Nova this year. Even I am somewhat surprised by the fact that they only have 1 ranked team and only 1 other receiving votes in both polls.

As a former Big East fan, I hate to see what it will be in three years time. I thought it would take at least 5-10 years for the inevitable slide to take place. Now it could come as quickly as 3 years.

Cheers,
Neil

A problem that leagues like the New BIG EAST and the A-10 is that nobody is talking about them from April through late November and even from November through Mid January it is overshadow by Football.

The P5 and even the AAC/MWC schools stay on the Sports Scene due to Football.

Think The Big East made a mistake in not waiting a year to seperate from the American schools and gave time to keep public interest alive. Now They will slowly sink into the next A10. Should go after VCU, WSU, Dayton and St.Louis for more TV market share

(12-26-2013 02:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 02:54 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:13 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 10:43 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  Being the Irish are now in the best basketball league in the nation, they will probably have a bigger turnout than in the Big East days.

I wouldn't say that...ND fans are Football First. BTW, the old Big East was every bit as good as the ACC.

What going to be interesting...can the New BIG EAST draw without UConn, Pitt, Notre Dame and especially Syracuse to MSG.

And how will the attendance look going head to head with the ACC...Imagine @ MSG you have a Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's and Marquette Semifinals going Head to Head with a UNC, Duke, Syracuse and Louisville Semifinal at the Barclay Center...my $$$ is on the ACC in regards to attendance/exposure....

Yes, the new Big East will be able to draw without those schools. Creighton, for example, has already sold out its entire allotment of tournament packages. Creighton for goodness sakes! They're the school that's the farthest distance away. The school that doesn't have a major airport/hub in their city.

These are all basketball first schools. The conference basketball tournament is the high point of their athletic season. Half the conference can drive their and all 5 of those schools are closer to MSG than Syracuse is. The Big East will have no problem selling out its tournament.

True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

Cheers,
Neil

You make a valid point, but beyond that, it isn't just about tickets sold. It's also about the price of those tickets.

(12-26-2013 07:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Think The Big East made a mistake in not waiting a year to seperate from the American schools and gave time to keep public interest alive. Now They will slowly sink into the next A10. Should go after VCU, WSU, Dayton and St.Louis for more TV market share

I actually think that the big east will be ok.

(12-18-2013 10:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  The A10 has it for just a few years right? I imagine their next move would be to D.C. Anybody have any thoughts/input?

A10 could go DC, Philly again, or even out to Pittsburgh quite frankly. And, with Davidson now, Charlotte.

Davidson has a fairly small fanbase, not sure they'd put it in Charlotte since Davidson is so small and the next closest schools are just over 4 hours away.

With GWU, Mason, Richmond, and VCU all within 2 hours of DC (and I guess the Philly schools are too actually), DC makes the most sense. It would be in a city that is fun to visit and would be very well attended.

Also, Charlotte has been mentioned by Britton Banowsky recently as host for future CUSA tournaments. As the most central location in CUSA east, it makes sense.

(12-26-2013 03:08 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 03:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 02:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

So long as they hold their current standing among the power BBall conferences, probably yes, but it will indeed be interesting to follow.

That "standing" is already in jeopardy, if not for Nova this year. Even I am somewhat surprised by the fact that they only have 1 ranked team and only 1 other receiving votes in both polls.

As a former Big East fan, I hate to see what it will be in three years time. I thought it would take at least 5-10 years for the inevitable slide to take place. Now it could come as quickly as 3 years.

Cheers,
Neil

Slide? True, we only have one true final four contender this year in Villanova but our conference RPI is currently #3 in the nation (ACC is #5). We will probably get the same amount of bids as the ACC (5) with alot less schools. Also, have you checked out our recruiting for 2014?? 6 teams in the top 30 in recruiting, one of the top recruiting classes out of all conferences. Seems like recruits like to play in a league where basketball is king. This, along with all our games (even he shi*ty ones against mediocre teams) on national TV. I think your "slide" comment is a bit presumptive.

(12-27-2013 09:46 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 10:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  The A10 has it for just a few years right? I imagine their next move would be to D.C. Anybody have any thoughts/input?

A10 could go DC, Philly again, or even out to Pittsburgh quite frankly. And, with Davidson now, Charlotte.

Davidson has a fairly small fanbase, not sure they'd put it in Charlotte since Davidson is so small and the next closest schools are just over 4 hours away.

With GWU, Mason, Richmond, and VCU all within 2 hours of DC (and I guess the Philly schools are too actually), DC makes the most sense. It would be in a city that is fun to visit and would be very well attended.

Also, Charlotte has been mentioned by Britton Banowsky recently as host for future CUSA tournaments. As the most central location in CUSA east, it makes sense.

I'd put it in Philly at the Palestra. Historic venue, small so they can actually sell it out. Somewhat centrally located. I think that would be perfect.

(12-26-2013 03:08 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 03:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 02:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

So long as they hold their current standing among the power BBall conferences, probably yes, but it will indeed be interesting to follow.

That "standing" is already in jeopardy, if not for Nova this year. Even I am somewhat surprised by the fact that they only have 1 ranked team and only 1 other receiving votes in both polls.

As a former Big East fan, I hate to see what it will be in three years time. I thought it would take at least 5-10 years for the inevitable slide to take place. Now it could come as quickly as 3 years.

Cheers,
Neil

Ahh, I can see that you haven't been paying attention. Inevitable slide? LOL.

6 of the current Big East teams are ranked in ESPN's top 40 recruiting rankings for 2014 - 5 in the top 25. Among the 6 of them they have scoffed up 24 of the top 100 recruits.

But they are going into an "inevitable slide." LOL.

(12-26-2013 03:14 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 03:08 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 03:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 02:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

So long as they hold their current standing among the power BBall conferences, probably yes, but it will indeed be interesting to follow.

That "standing" is already in jeopardy, if not for Nova this year. Even I am somewhat surprised by the fact that they only have 1 ranked team and only 1 other receiving votes in both polls.

As a former Big East fan, I hate to see what it will be in three years time. I thought it would take at least 5-10 years for the inevitable slide to take place. Now it could come as quickly as 3 years.

Cheers,
Neil

A problem that leagues like the New BIG EAST and the A-10 is that nobody is talking about them from April through late November and even from November through Mid January it is overshadow by Football.

The P5 and even the AAC/MWC schools stay on the Sports Scene due to Football.

How is that a problem?

(12-26-2013 08:37 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 02:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 02:54 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:13 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I wouldn't say that...ND fans are Football First. BTW, the old Big East was every bit as good as the ACC.

What going to be interesting...can the New BIG EAST draw without UConn, Pitt, Notre Dame and especially Syracuse to MSG.

And how will the attendance look going head to head with the ACC...Imagine @ MSG you have a Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's and Marquette Semifinals going Head to Head with a UNC, Duke, Syracuse and Louisville Semifinal at the Barclay Center...my $$$ is on the ACC in regards to attendance/exposure....

Yes, the new Big East will be able to draw without those schools. Creighton, for example, has already sold out its entire allotment of tournament packages. Creighton for goodness sakes! They're the school that's the farthest distance away. The school that doesn't have a major airport/hub in their city.

These are all basketball first schools. The conference basketball tournament is the high point of their athletic season. Half the conference can drive their and all 5 of those schools are closer to MSG than Syracuse is. The Big East will have no problem selling out its tournament.

True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

Cheers,
Neil

You make a valid point, but beyond that, it isn't just about tickets sold. It's also about the price of those tickets.

What is the price of the tickets?

BTW, what the heck is valid about his point? He's make a prediction. Unless he can predict the future, which he obviously can't, his point has absolutely no validity. It's wishful thinking.

(12-27-2013 10:07 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 09:46 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 10:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  The A10 has it for just a few years right? I imagine their next move would be to D.C. Anybody have any thoughts/input?

A10 could go DC, Philly again, or even out to Pittsburgh quite frankly. And, with Davidson now, Charlotte.

Davidson has a fairly small fanbase, not sure they'd put it in Charlotte since Davidson is so small and the next closest schools are just over 4 hours away.

With GWU, Mason, Richmond, and VCU all within 2 hours of DC (and I guess the Philly schools are too actually), DC makes the most sense. It would be in a city that is fun to visit and would be very well attended.

Also, Charlotte has been mentioned by Britton Banowsky recently as host for future CUSA tournaments. As the most central location in CUSA east, it makes sense.

I'd put it in Philly at the Palestra. Historic venue, small so they can actually sell it out. Somewhat centrally located. I think that would be perfect.

The Palestra would be fine too, but as a fan, I'd much rather visit DC. Verizon Center may be a little large, but so is the Barclays Center and it looked pretty good on TV last year for the semi's and the championship.

A rotation between Philly, DC, and Richmond would be ideal for the conference.

(12-26-2013 03:08 PM)omniorange Wrote:  That "standing" is already in jeopardy, if not for Nova this year.

So, in other words, assume their strongest school drops down, and don't assume that anyone else rises up, and voila. However, they are presently #3 on conference RPI, even with the rest of the conference several steps below Nova in team RPI, so transferring the hypothetical collapse into the real world would seem to be premature.

(12-27-2013 12:13 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 03:08 PM)omniorange Wrote:  That "standing" is already in jeopardy, if not for Nova this year.

So, in other words, assume their strongest school drops down, and don't assume that anyone else rises up, and voila. However, they are presently #3 on conference RPI, even with the rest of the conference several steps below Nova in team RPI, so transferring the hypothetical collapse into the real world would seem to be premature.

I'm talking about "standing with" the P5. Will the BE likely be the "best of the rest" for the foreseeable future. Yes. But my stance has been that they would hang with the P5 for the next 5-10 years before becoming what the A10 has been to the P6 over the past decade - a conference that would occasionally get to the number 4 or 5 level, but not consistently.

No one cares where a conference resides RPI-wise. The smart ones know that RPI is easier to rig than the BCS system is. What folks care about is - who have you beaten and where did you beat them. I'm shocked that the BE has no quality wins outside of Nova beating Kansas and Iowa. And it wouldn't surprise me to see them upset SU tomorrow. But outside of Nova, there just aren't any wins that will make the committee sit up and take notice. None.

I'd have bet my life on this year's BE teams having Georgetown beating Oregon, Marquette beating either Wisconsin or SD State, Butler beating either Okla State or LSU, Creighton beating SD State, etc.

Get even a few of those wins and add them to the scalps Nova has already taken and then the league has an opportunity to grow further with the in conference schedules.

Now, before someone goes on about the ACC, as the Creighton fan did, they should research my posts. If they did they would see where I took the stance that the ACC would not simply become overnight "the greatest basketball conference of all-time" just by stating it.

Rather my stance has been it would take at least three to four years for the synergy of the new arrivals to mix with the old to get it BE circa 2009-2013 levels. And we see that the ACC, has indeed, had a pedestrian start on the road to becoming the best basketball conference.

But even that pedestrian start has multiple teams with high profiles wins and mid-level conference teams with wins as good as everyone else in the Big East outside of Nova.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-27-2013 10:02 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 03:08 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 03:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 02:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

So long as they hold their current standing among the power BBall conferences, probably yes, but it will indeed be interesting to follow.

That "standing" is already in jeopardy, if not for Nova this year. Even I am somewhat surprised by the fact that they only have 1 ranked team and only 1 other receiving votes in both polls.

As a former Big East fan, I hate to see what it will be in three years time. I thought it would take at least 5-10 years for the inevitable slide to take place. Now it could come as quickly as 3 years.

Cheers,
Neil

Slide? True, we only have one true final four contender this year in Villanova but our conference RPI is currently #3 in the nation (ACC is #5). We will probably get the same amount of bids as the ACC (5) with alot less schools. Also, have you checked out our recruiting for 2014?? 6 teams in the top 30 in recruiting, one of the top recruiting classes out of all conferences. Seems like recruits like to play in a league where basketball is king. This, along with all our games (even he shi*ty ones against mediocre teams) on national TV. I think your "slide" comment is a bit presumptive.

Wow, you really think the 14 team Acc gets only 5 bids? Syracuse, UNC, Pitt and Duke makes 4. So you think only one other Acc team is going to make it?

(12-25-2013 07:29 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 02:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 12:22 PM)LouPower Wrote:  A-10 buries themselves even further with this news. Gotta love getting kicked out of a conference tournament site.

Boardwalk Hall will be their next stop.

Richmond and Dayton would be good places for the A-10 tournament, though most of the league probably doesn't want to give anyone a home-court advantage.

Does LouPower general shoot crap out before doing a very simple google search. It was always known this was a four year deal and the ACC would probably rotate in.

This quote is from September 2011.

Quote:The Atlantic 10 Conference will move its men's basketball tournament to the new Barclays Center in Brooklyn beginning with the 2013 tournament.

The Barclays Center will be the new home of the New Jersey Nets. The A-10 has one more year on its current deal to play the tournament in Atlantic City.

A-10 commissioner Bernadette McGlade is making attempts to get the A-10 more exposure in New York. The league is hosting its media day in Brooklyn on Oct. 13.

The Barclays Center could be in play for the Big East or ACC tournaments beyond 2016 when the Big East's current deal with Madison Square Garden expires.

Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner John Swofford said that he was open to having New York City as part of the ACC's rotation for its tournament now that the league will add Pittsburgh and Syracuse.

A10 moving from Atlantic City to Barclays for 2013-16

Personally favor going back to Atlantic City.

It's a shot at the A-10. Nothing more. I'm tired of the A-10 as it is.

(12-27-2013 02:06 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 10:02 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 03:08 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 03:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 02:58 PM)omniorange Wrote:  True they will sell out their allotments, a measly 2000 tickets for each of the 10 schools. But by the third year will the re-sell of those tickets as each of the schools start to get knocked off be there so actual fannies in the seats by the time of the semis and final make it a full MSG?

That's what will be interesting to follow.

So long as they hold their current standing among the power BBall conferences, probably yes, but it will indeed be interesting to follow.

That "standing" is already in jeopardy, if not for Nova this year. Even I am somewhat surprised by the fact that they only have 1 ranked team and only 1 other receiving votes in both polls.

As a former Big East fan, I hate to see what it will be in three years time. I thought it would take at least 5-10 years for the inevitable slide to take place. Now it could come as quickly as 3 years.

Cheers,
Neil

Slide? True, we only have one true final four contender this year in Villanova but our conference RPI is currently #3 in the nation (ACC is #5). We will probably get the same amount of bids as the ACC (5) with alot less schools. Also, have you checked out our recruiting for 2014?? 6 teams in the top 30 in recruiting, one of the top recruiting classes out of all conferences. Seems like recruits like to play in a league where basketball is king. This, along with all our games (even he shi*ty ones against mediocre teams) on national TV. I think your "slide" comment is a bit presumptive.

Wow, you really think the 14 team Acc gets only 5 bids? Syracuse, UNC, Pitt and Duke makes 4. So you think only one other Acc team is going to make it?

Well, if you look at what they have done OOC, #5 is Florida State. You next worth team is almighty Virginia, a team whose best win is SMU and has lost to Green Bay. So, YES.