(03-31-2014 12:07 PM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  The Junior Class really hurt.
6 recruits- a number of good role players but no star.

Shaq Thomas-Shows flashes, still has time to live up to his potential

Sanders- Good spot up shooter but can't create his own shot and is a defensive liability

Guyn- good defender but is limited offensively. not a true PG.

Modj- good defender and role player

Jeremiah Davis- gone

Ellis- gone. I think he could have been very good

The 2007 and 2011 held UC back
Bishop, McClain, Wilks, Kenny Belton, and Alvin Mitchell

I think the future is bright. More skilled offensive players and big bodies in the paint.

Thomas is more a defensive liability than Sanders at this point. The 2011 class has been a miss but they still have time to make an impact. I am expecting a lot of improvement from Sanders, Guyn, and Thomas next season.

Sigh... I give up. I'm glad you guys are okay with a nice program but not an elite program. I guess UC is back in a mid-major sort of thinking. Or Cincinnati Bengals' sort of thinking...

I hope Cronin figures it out. He is the right coach for the Bearcats, no doubt in my mind.

(03-31-2014 01:52 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  1. Stop bringing up losses by teams like Duke and Michigan State. Those coaches have been to multiple Final Fours and won national titles. That argument is just asinine.

2. If "some years we will go deep and sometimes we won't", when exactly is the former going to happen?

3. No one is saying Mick should be fired. No one has unrealistic expectations. To mlb's point, there is nothing wrong with asking the question of "if we can compete with team X consistently in the regular season, why can't we perform at the level of that team in the tournament?" I think that's all anyone is asking. And it seems like everyone agrees that Mick has done a fantastic job and earned the right to answer that question in the coming years.

x2!

(03-31-2014 01:52 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  1. Stop bringing up losses by teams like Duke and Michigan State. Those coaches have been to multiple Final Fours and won national titles. That argument is just asinine.

2. If "some years we will go deep and sometimes we won't", when exactly is the former going to happen?

3. No one is saying Mick should be fired. No one has unrealistic expectations. To mlb's point, there is nothing wrong with asking the question of "if we can compete with team X consistently in the regular season, why can't we perform at the level of that team in the tournament?" I think that's all anyone is asking. And it seems like everyone agrees that Mick has done a fantastic job and earned the right to answer that question in the coming years.

He will answer that question well in the next 3 to 5 years. Next year could be tough, but they will mature. Don't expect a great season in 2014 & 2015. To many players will have to learn to play at the Div.1 level, but the high expectation fans will want Mick fired. Watch what happens. Fans have to learn to be realistic, but they never are. MrP3242

Preseason rankings matter - hype is a good thing
In season rankings matter - Opportunities to be on sportscenter and have games televised in prime spots
Finishing the season with a strong tournament run matters - pride, the casual fan, etc.
Staying out of the police reports matters

Mick is building a program that can be a consistent top 20 team with good preseason publicity. That building process is far from complete. As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, we aren't that far removed from a large recruiting class that hasn't panned out, yet this team cracked the top 10.

Yes, some deep tournament runs would be nice and yes, Mick needs to continue to grow as a coach by figuring out how to have his team peaking in March. However, the trajectory of this program is very good and I'm not willing to be short sighted by only looking at March results.

(03-31-2014 02:22 PM)MrP3242 Wrote:  [He will answer that question well in the next 3 to 5 years. Next year could be tough, but they will mature. Don't expect a great season in 2014 & 2015. To many players will have to learn to play at the Div.1 level, but the high expectation fans will want Mick fired. Watch what happens. Fans have to learn to be realistic, but they never are. MrP3242

I fully agree. They will take a step back next year. You lose an AA and that happens. In 2 years they should be a very good team, in 3 years potentially a final four team. A senior PG in Caupain to go with the rest of the guys coming in, I could really see a strong team. My expectations next year are not great.

cpawfan Wrote:Yes, some deep tournament runs would be nice and yes, Mick needs to continue to grow as a coach by figuring out how to have his team peaking in March. However, the trajectory of this program is very good and I'm not willing to be short sighted by only looking at March results.

Nobody is just looking at March results. They are just asking what can be done to have better results in March. 2 very different things.

(03-31-2014 02:40 PM)mlb Wrote:  

cpawfan Wrote:Yes, some deep tournament runs would be nice and yes, Mick needs to continue to grow as a coach by figuring out how to have his team peaking in March. However, the trajectory of this program is very good and I'm not willing to be short sighted by only looking at March results.

Nobody is just looking at March results. They are just asking what can be done to have better results in March. 2 very different things.

Most aren't just looking at March results, but you can't honestly read this forum and say nobody.

Some are asking what can be done, while others are providing a window before Mick gets put on the hot seat for March results.

(03-31-2014 02:00 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 12:07 PM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  The Junior Class really hurt.
6 recruits- a number of good role players but no star.

Shaq Thomas-Shows flashes, still has time to live up to his potential

Sanders- Good spot up shooter but can't create his own shot and is a defensive liability

Guyn- good defender but is limited offensively. not a true PG.

Modj- good defender and role player

Jeremiah Davis- gone

Ellis- gone. I think he could have been very good

The 2007 and 2011 held UC back
Bishop, McClain, Wilks, Kenny Belton, and Alvin Mitchell

I think the future is bright. More skilled offensive players and big bodies in the paint.

Thomas is more a defensive liability than Sanders at this point. The 2011 class has been a miss but they still have time to make an impact. I am expecting a lot of improvement from Sanders, Guyn, and Thomas next season.

Sanders- isn't quick enough to defend a guard or a quick SF and
isn't big or strong enough to guard a PF/C.
Shaq's length and quickness make him an above average defender.

I don't see a lot of upside with Sanders or Guyn.
I think they are both role players that are best suited for 10-15 minutes a game. Guyn played hurt all year so hopefully he will improve next year.

I think Thomas can be an all conference player if he can add some weight and strength and be more assertive.

(03-31-2014 03:26 PM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  I think Thomas can be an all conference player if he can add some weight and strength and be more assertive.

He has to have more purpose when the ball is in his hand. The offense comes to a stand still when he gets the ball. He dribbles without knowing what he wants to do. He usually either drives to about the freethrow line and gets stopped there, or he just about turns it over before finding a guard to pass it to and the offense has to be run all over again.

(03-31-2014 12:07 PM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  The Junior Class really hurt.
6 recruits- a number of good role players but no star.

Shaq Thomas-Shows flashes, still has time to live up to his potential

Sanders- Good spot up shooter but can't create his own shot and is a defensive liability

Guyn- good defender but is limited offensively. not a true PG.

Modj- good defender and role player

Jeremiah Davis- gone

Ellis- gone. I think he could have been very good

The 2007 and 2011 held UC back
Bishop, McClain, Wilks, Kenny Belton, and Alvin Mitchell

I think the future is bright. More skilled offensive players and big bodies in the paint.

The 2011 class was especially unfortunate, since it was one that was coming off a tournament appearance. I would have thought Mick would do better with the tournament clout, especially from where the program was.

(03-31-2014 02:22 PM)MrP3242 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:52 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  1. Stop bringing up losses by teams like Duke and Michigan State. Those coaches have been to multiple Final Fours and won national titles. That argument is just asinine.

2. If "some years we will go deep and sometimes we won't", when exactly is the former going to happen?

3. No one is saying Mick should be fired. No one has unrealistic expectations. To mlb's point, there is nothing wrong with asking the question of "if we can compete with team X consistently in the regular season, why can't we perform at the level of that team in the tournament?" I think that's all anyone is asking. And it seems like everyone agrees that Mick has done a fantastic job and earned the right to answer that question in the coming years.

He will answer that question well in the next 3 to 5 years. Next year could be tough, but they will mature. Don't expect a great season in 2014 & 2015. To many players will have to learn to play at the Div.1 level, but the high expectation fans will want Mick fired. Watch what happens. Fans have to learn to be realistic, but they never are. MrP3242

How come our players will take years to mature but Kentucky's players only take a couple of months ?

Didn't Mick just get voted COY by his peers... This thread is pretty stupid.....

(03-31-2014 06:45 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  How come our players will take years to mature but Kentucky's players only take a couple of months ?

Do you really need an answer to that?

(03-31-2014 06:45 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:22 PM)MrP3242 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:52 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  1. Stop bringing up losses by teams like Duke and Michigan State. Those coaches have been to multiple Final Fours and won national titles. That argument is just asinine.

2. If "some years we will go deep and sometimes we won't", when exactly is the former going to happen?

3. No one is saying Mick should be fired. No one has unrealistic expectations. To mlb's point, there is nothing wrong with asking the question of "if we can compete with team X consistently in the regular season, why can't we perform at the level of that team in the tournament?" I think that's all anyone is asking. And it seems like everyone agrees that Mick has done a fantastic job and earned the right to answer that question in the coming years.

He will answer that question well in the next 3 to 5 years. Next year could be tough, but they will mature. Don't expect a great season in 2014 & 2015. To many players will have to learn to play at the Div.1 level, but the high expectation fans will want Mick fired. Watch what happens. Fans have to learn to be realistic, but they never are. MrP3242

How come our players will take years to mature but Kentucky's players only take a couple of months ?

Beginning to think your handle should be "Kentuckybro"

(03-31-2014 02:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:52 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  1. Stop bringing up losses by teams like Duke and Michigan State. Those coaches have been to multiple Final Fours and won national titles. That argument is just asinine.

2. If "some years we will go deep and sometimes we won't", when exactly is the former going to happen?

3. No one is saying Mick should be fired. No one has unrealistic expectations. To mlb's point, there is nothing wrong with asking the question of "if we can compete with team X consistently in the regular season, why can't we perform at the level of that team in the tournament?" I think that's all anyone is asking. And it seems like everyone agrees that Mick has done a fantastic job and earned the right to answer that question in the coming years.

x2!

X3

(03-31-2014 02:22 PM)MrP3242 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:52 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  1. Stop bringing up losses by teams like Duke and Michigan State. Those coaches have been to multiple Final Fours and won national titles. That argument is just asinine.

2. If "some years we will go deep and sometimes we won't", when exactly is the former going to happen?

3. No one is saying Mick should be fired. No one has unrealistic expectations. To mlb's point, there is nothing wrong with asking the question of "if we can compete with team X consistently in the regular season, why can't we perform at the level of that team in the tournament?" I think that's all anyone is asking. And it seems like everyone agrees that Mick has done a fantastic job and earned the right to answer that question in the coming years.

He will answer that question well in the next 3 to 5 years. Next year could be tough, but they will mature. Don't expect a great season in 2014 & 2015. To many players will have to learn to play at the Div.1 level, but the high expectation fans will want Mick fired. Watch what happens. Fans have to learn to be realistic, but they never are. MrP3242

So now you are telling us to wait out 2014 and wait out 2015 so now we are at 2016. Three years to wait then the promised land! OK!

(03-31-2014 06:45 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:22 PM)MrP3242 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:52 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  1. Stop bringing up losses by teams like Duke and Michigan State. Those coaches have been to multiple Final Fours and won national titles. That argument is just asinine.

2. If "some years we will go deep and sometimes we won't", when exactly is the former going to happen?

3. No one is saying Mick should be fired. No one has unrealistic expectations. To mlb's point, there is nothing wrong with asking the question of "if we can compete with team X consistently in the regular season, why can't we perform at the level of that team in the tournament?" I think that's all anyone is asking. And it seems like everyone agrees that Mick has done a fantastic job and earned the right to answer that question in the coming years.

He will answer that question well in the next 3 to 5 years. Next year could be tough, but they will mature. Don't expect a great season in 2014 & 2015. To many players will have to learn to play at the Div.1 level, but the high expectation fans will want Mick fired. Watch what happens. Fans have to learn to be realistic, but they never are. MrP3242

How come our players will take years to mature but Kentucky's players only take a couple of months ?

Do you really want me to answer that question about the players Kentucky recruits? MrP3242

(03-31-2014 09:09 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:22 PM)MrP3242 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:52 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  1. Stop bringing up losses by teams like Duke and Michigan State. Those coaches have been to multiple Final Fours and won national titles. That argument is just asinine.

2. If "some years we will go deep and sometimes we won't", when exactly is the former going to happen?

3. No one is saying Mick should be fired. No one has unrealistic expectations. To mlb's point, there is nothing wrong with asking the question of "if we can compete with team X consistently in the regular season, why can't we perform at the level of that team in the tournament?" I think that's all anyone is asking. And it seems like everyone agrees that Mick has done a fantastic job and earned the right to answer that question in the coming years.

He will answer that question well in the next 3 to 5 years. Next year could be tough, but they will mature. Don't expect a great season in 2014 & 2015. To many players will have to learn to play at the Div.1 level, but the high expectation fans will want Mick fired. Watch what happens. Fans have to learn to be realistic, but they never are. MrP3242

So now you are telling us to wait out 2014 and wait out 2015 so now we are at 2016. Three years to wait then the promised land! OK!

No, Just one year. The 2014/2015 basketball season. The basketball season always overlaps 2 years.MrP3242

(03-31-2014 09:09 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:22 PM)MrP3242 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:52 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  1. Stop bringing up losses by teams like Duke and Michigan State. Those coaches have been to multiple Final Fours and won national titles. That argument is just asinine.

2. If "some years we will go deep and sometimes we won't", when exactly is the former going to happen?

3. No one is saying Mick should be fired. No one has unrealistic expectations. To mlb's point, there is nothing wrong with asking the question of "if we can compete with team X consistently in the regular season, why can't we perform at the level of that team in the tournament?" I think that's all anyone is asking. And it seems like everyone agrees that Mick has done a fantastic job and earned the right to answer that question in the coming years.

He will answer that question well in the next 3 to 5 years. Next year could be tough, but they will mature. Don't expect a great season in 2014 & 2015. To many players will have to learn to play at the Div.1 level, but the high expectation fans will want Mick fired. Watch what happens. Fans have to learn to be realistic, but they never are. MrP3242

So now you are telling us to wait out 2014 and wait out 2015 so now we are at 2016. Three years to wait then the promised land! OK!

What is the promised land to you? What is the goal here that we're not reaching?

I think most fans would like to make regular, doesn't have to annual, but regular trips to the second weekend of the tourney. We've only been to the second weekend twice in the last seventeen years. That's fifteen years in the last seventeen that we have all been depressed after the first day or two of what is supposed to be the most exciting time of year for hoops fans.

It wears on you after a while. Little brother down the street has been to the second weekend five times in the last ten years. Average a trip to the sweet sixteen every other year and it makes first round losses a little easier to swallow.