(11-26-2013 01:42 AM)hollywoodtigerhound Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 10:23 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 10:21 PM)hollywoodtigerhound Wrote:  

what kinda defense is this?

Take your pick.

1. Ball watching
2. No defense at all
3. Lazyness

got it thank you very much. oh and some dewd thinks you're a tiger hater, not true is it...can't be?

I think 99% of the people on this board knows that not true, but like I said I will call people on on things as well as the Tigers. Nothing wrong with being honest :).

(11-26-2013 01:54 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 01:42 AM)hollywoodtigerhound Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 10:23 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 10:21 PM)hollywoodtigerhound Wrote:  

what kinda defense is this?

Take your pick.

1. Ball watching
2. No defense at all
3. Lazyness

got it thank you very much. oh and some dewd thinks you're a tiger hater, not true is it...can't be?

I think 99% of the people on this board knows that not true, but like I said I will call people on on things as well as the Tigers. Nothing wrong with being honest :).

I think there is something wrong with being dishonest. Give 'em hell and stand on unbending principles always mate.

(11-25-2013 10:21 PM)hollywoodtigerhound Wrote:  

what kinda defense is this?

(11-25-2013 10:21 PM)hollywoodtigerhound Wrote:  

what kinda defense is this?

It is JJ and Austin not communicating...

It was a damn backscreen...happens all the time to every team

(11-26-2013 08:38 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 10:21 PM)hollywoodtigerhound Wrote:  

what kinda defense is this?

It is JJ and Austin not communicating...

It was a damn backscreen...happens all the time to every team

I especially like the on ball D... Flat footed, hands down, perfect position for the "lazy" defensive strategy.

(11-25-2013 08:58 PM)cmt Wrote:  sounds like a zone beats the press next go around.

How about just changing up the defense? Kills me that we rarely do anything besides man, there could have been so many defenses to run at them to try and change the flow and show different looks but instead we stay in man and let MS just demolish us.

(11-26-2013 09:06 AM)natebshaw09 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 08:58 PM)cmt Wrote:  sounds like a zone beats the press next go around.

How about just changing up the defense? Kills me that we rarely do anything besides man, there could have been so many defenses to run at them to try and change the flow and show different looks but instead we stay in man and let MS just demolish us.

We quit mixing defenses when Murphy left. I know there were a few here that didnt like him but he was the architect of our defense when he was here and we played some good D and we threw some different looks at teams and won/were competitive in a few games where we shouldnt have. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Murphy was Pastner's Robic. Josh was a better coach when Murphy was on staff.

Gotta play him special. Run a box/1 or triangle/2 on him and the shooter. And go really big. Make them shoot over talls guys from outside.

Smart is their Penny without the flair! He coaches his teammates on the court and when he's on the bench. Penny use to do the same thing, I remember Penny fouling a player intentionally with us up by one in the closing moments, just so he could control how the game ended. Needless to say, we won. Point being, he's a coach on the floor and those around him let him do his thing, without the JEALOUSY or the hidden agenda that destroys the TEAM concept. Smart talks to his teammates on the floor like a leader is supposed to. Kansas won a National Championship with One Star and Seven teammates that believed in him. If we could get a Chief that's about TEAM and WINNING, maybe the Braves would follow willingly. If we had a leader on the court, maybe we could relax and know, WIN or LOSE, we FOUGHT for the game. JP can only do so much, not that I'm excusing him either, but Penny made Larry look Smart on more than one occassion.... Just Sayin Doe

(11-26-2013 09:18 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:06 AM)natebshaw09 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 08:58 PM)cmt Wrote:  sounds like a zone beats the press next go around.

How about just changing up the defense? Kills me that we rarely do anything besides man, there could have been so many defenses to run at them to try and change the flow and show different looks but instead we stay in man and let MS just demolish us.

We quit mixing defenses when Murphy left. I know there were a few here that didnt like him but he was the architect of our defense when he was here and we played some good D and we threw some different looks at teams and won/were competitive in a few games where we shouldnt have. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Murphy was Pastner's Robic. Josh was a better coach when Murphy was on staff.

I think that is a good observation. Our D has not been good at all and I miss that about the Tigers.

(11-25-2013 07:44 PM)Geotag Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 07:41 PM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  I'm watching the OK St. game on espn and I don't feel so bad lol.The dude is a beast.He is singlehandedly beating South Florida.

From the free throw line yeah but he isn't doing much else. He can't buy a 3

He's not a great shooter. Scorer, yes but not shooter. Made what he did against us even worse.

(11-26-2013 09:42 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:18 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:06 AM)natebshaw09 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 08:58 PM)cmt Wrote:  sounds like a zone beats the press next go around.

How about just changing up the defense? Kills me that we rarely do anything besides man, there could have been so many defenses to run at them to try and change the flow and show different looks but instead we stay in man and let MS just demolish us.

We quit mixing defenses when Murphy left. I know there were a few here that didnt like him but he was the architect of our defense when he was here and we played some good D and we threw some different looks at teams and won/were competitive in a few games where we shouldnt have. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Murphy was Pastner's Robic. Josh was a better coach when Murphy was on staff.

I think that is a good observation. Our D has not been good at all and I miss that about the Tigers.

No D == 0-13. And most want to talk about who is gonna score.

(11-26-2013 09:55 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:42 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:18 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:06 AM)natebshaw09 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 08:58 PM)cmt Wrote:  sounds like a zone beats the press next go around.

How about just changing up the defense? Kills me that we rarely do anything besides man, there could have been so many defenses to run at them to try and change the flow and show different looks but instead we stay in man and let MS just demolish us.

We quit mixing defenses when Murphy left. I know there were a few here that didnt like him but he was the architect of our defense when he was here and we played some good D and we threw some different looks at teams and won/were competitive in a few games where we shouldnt have. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Murphy was Pastner's Robic. Josh was a better coach when Murphy was on staff.

I think that is a good observation. Our D has not been good at all and I miss that about the Tigers.

No D == 0-13. And most want to talk about who is gonna score.

Come on Midtown. You know as well as I know there have been some really close games. We're not 1-14 (0-13 is inaccurate) with 13 blow out losses. A lot of them have been close or resulted in a team pulling away late. The Memphis vs #1 Kansas game came down to a last second missed shot by us at the buzzer. Michigan State got ahead last season but we caught up. Then we went ice cold. Defense is a must. However you're not gonna hold a team 0% shooting and 0% from the free throw line. We are going to have to score and to be able to score we are going to have to have people hit shots and score.

Offense is very important as well.

(11-26-2013 10:02 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:55 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:42 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:18 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:06 AM)natebshaw09 Wrote:  How about just changing up the defense? Kills me that we rarely do anything besides man, there could have been so many defenses to run at them to try and change the flow and show different looks but instead we stay in man and let MS just demolish us.

We quit mixing defenses when Murphy left. I know there were a few here that didnt like him but he was the architect of our defense when he was here and we played some good D and we threw some different looks at teams and won/were competitive in a few games where we shouldnt have. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Murphy was Pastner's Robic. Josh was a better coach when Murphy was on staff.

I think that is a good observation. Our D has not been good at all and I miss that about the Tigers.

No D == 0-13. And most want to talk about who is gonna score.

Come on Midtown. You know as well as I know there have been some really close games. We're not 1-14 (0-13 is inaccurate) with 13 blow out losses. A lot of them have been close or resulted in a team pulling away late. The Memphis vs #1 Kansas game came down to a last second missed shot by us at the buzzer. Michigan State got ahead last season but we caught up. Then we went ice cold. Defense is a must. However you're not gonna hold a team 0% shooting and 0% from the free throw line. We are going to have to score and to be able to score we are going to have to have people hit shots and score.

Offense is very important as well.

If I remember correctly during that Kansas game and really the whole year Josh played a lot of different zone defenses but now it seems that we only play man most of the time. I would like to see Josh mix it up like that again to keep teams confused on offense.

(11-26-2013 12:32 PM)cavelizzard Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 10:02 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:55 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:42 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:18 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  We quit mixing defenses when Murphy left. I know there were a few here that didnt like him but he was the architect of our defense when he was here and we played some good D and we threw some different looks at teams and won/were competitive in a few games where we shouldnt have. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Murphy was Pastner's Robic. Josh was a better coach when Murphy was on staff.

I think that is a good observation. Our D has not been good at all and I miss that about the Tigers.

No D == 0-13. And most want to talk about who is gonna score.

Come on Midtown. You know as well as I know there have been some really close games. We're not 1-14 (0-13 is inaccurate) with 13 blow out losses. A lot of them have been close or resulted in a team pulling away late. The Memphis vs #1 Kansas game came down to a last second missed shot by us at the buzzer. Michigan State got ahead last season but we caught up. Then we went ice cold. Defense is a must. However you're not gonna hold a team 0% shooting and 0% from the free throw line. We are going to have to score and to be able to score we are going to have to have people hit shots and score.

Offense is very important as well.

If I remember correctly during that Kansas game and really the whole year Josh played a lot of different zone defenses but now it seems that we only play man most of the time. I would like to see Josh mix it up like that again to keep teams confused on offense.

That was all Murphy. I doubt we see it again unless we hire another assistant that understands and can teach zone defense.

(11-26-2013 01:18 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 12:32 PM)cavelizzard Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 10:02 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:55 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:42 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  I think that is a good observation. Our D has not been good at all and I miss that about the Tigers.

No D == 0-13. And most want to talk about who is gonna score.

Come on Midtown. You know as well as I know there have been some really close games. We're not 1-14 (0-13 is inaccurate) with 13 blow out losses. A lot of them have been close or resulted in a team pulling away late. The Memphis vs #1 Kansas game came down to a last second missed shot by us at the buzzer. Michigan State got ahead last season but we caught up. Then we went ice cold. Defense is a must. However you're not gonna hold a team 0% shooting and 0% from the free throw line. We are going to have to score and to be able to score we are going to have to have people hit shots and score.

Offense is very important as well.

If I remember correctly during that Kansas game and really the whole year Josh played a lot of different zone defenses but now it seems that we only play man most of the time. I would like to see Josh mix it up like that again to keep teams confused on offense.

That was all Murphy. I doubt we see it again unless we hire another assistant that understands and can teach zone defense.

Oh ok well that makes sense why we don't see it anymore . If we play Ok St again maybe we will see something different on defense because man won't work the whole time especially on Smart.

Indeed def nothing wrong with mixing it up. I don't think Josh is brining in any defensive minded coaches though. He is brining in good recruiters, and good skill guys but I don't see any body like Murphy on the staff. That's why I was hoping he was gonna bring in Yanni this off season. Yanni can recruit too but he can really get a defense going.

Oh well it is what it is.

Hes basically a top 10 Nba shooting guard beating up on college kids

(11-26-2013 09:55 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:42 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:18 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:06 AM)natebshaw09 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 08:58 PM)cmt Wrote:  sounds like a zone beats the press next go around.

How about just changing up the defense? Kills me that we rarely do anything besides man, there could have been so many defenses to run at them to try and change the flow and show different looks but instead we stay in man and let MS just demolish us.

We quit mixing defenses when Murphy left. I know there were a few here that didnt like him but he was the architect of our defense when he was here and we played some good D and we threw some different looks at teams and won/were competitive in a few games where we shouldnt have. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Murphy was Pastner's Robic. Josh was a better coach when Murphy was on staff.

I think that is a good observation. Our D has not been good at all and I miss that about the Tigers.

No D == 0-13. And most want to talk about who is gonna score.

I don't think the defense is the problem. Our system works really well when we hit shots and our opponents miss shots. That lets us run up tempo and is why we can really pour it on inferior teams. Unfortunately, against tough competition, they make more shots and we miss more shots and the system doesn't hold up so well.

People are making up stuff about defenses. It was always mostly man.

We have played 2-3, 1-3-1, 1-2-2, and 3-2 about the same amount each season, which is not a lot.

We do not switch it up in every game, and never did.

Biggest needs on defense are and have been:

1. Stay in stance and move quickly to stay in guarding position (play defense with your feet). This is 100% about effort. People who wonder why players get subbed quickly should look at this first.

2. Communicate - under or over screens? Switch, reswitch, etc.

By the way, playing D with feet and communication are just as important I'm zones as in man. If you aren't playing man well for those reasons, going to zone won't fix it.

I will say that we have improved on percentage of well executed defensive possessions.

I will also guarantee that the new rules will make everyone's defense less effective, because that is exactly what they are designed to do.

Nevertheless, within the rules, the effort described in #1 and the communication in #2 will produce the best possible results no matter the scheme.

These things are taught, I guarantee. When you see defensive breakdowns on any team, it is most likely tired or lazy legs, or a loss of concentration/communication.