I think ND may be obligated to go to the Pinstripe actually in this case.

One thing that is funny- if Duke makes the title game, they can't fall to the Independence Bowl.

ND is obligated to Pinstripe.

(11-17-2013 12:20 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ND is obligated to Pinstripe.

IIRC, Notre Dame agreed to be a backup if the Big 12 could not fill its obligation, but I am not sure that means ND is "obligated" to go to the Pinstripe. E.g., what if last year the Big 12 didn't meet its Pinstripe obligation, would that have meant ND could not play in the national title game because they had to fill that Pinstripe slot?

I doubt that. I bet the backup agreement just means ND has the option of filling the Pinstripe slot if they want it. They have first dibs on that slot in the event it opens but can go elsewhere if they want. Maybe the Poinsettia?

What idiot would sign that stupid of a deal?

ALL bowl agreements have an out for BCS selection but if ND was only obligated to Pinstripe as a back up in non-BCS years if they happened to be in the mood there is no reason to sign the deal on Pinstripe's part.

Don't discount the Yankees for getting a great opponent for Notre Dame...I could see them using their influence (i.e. $$$) to line up the best available opponent for Notre Dame.

(11-17-2013 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 12:20 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ND is obligated to Pinstripe.

IIRC, Notre Dame agreed to be a backup if the Big 12 could not fill its obligation, but I am not sure that means ND is "obligated" to go to the Pinstripe. E.g., what if last year the Big 12 didn't meet its Pinstripe obligation, would that have meant ND could not play in the national title game because they had to fill that Pinstripe slot?

I doubt that. I bet the backup agreement just means ND has the option of filling the Pinstripe slot if they want it. They have first dibs on that slot in the event it opens but can go elsewhere if they want. Maybe the Poinsettia?

ND is not required to go to the Pinstripe Bowl. They can choose among several not so good options.

Jack Swarbrick said in October that ND may not go to any bowl prior to December 26th because of finals.


"Q: Notre Dame is still in the running for a BCS bowl, but if you don’t end up there and you’re picking from among a handful of options, what’s most important? Is it opponent? Is it date? Is it location?

JS: Yes.
All those factor in. Date is really important to us, especially its relevance to final exams and how all that works. You look at all those factors, there’s sort of an interesting process that goes on at that level of bowls, where a lot of people are talking and trying to figure out what the best pairings are and how to make them work.
You participate in those discussions and hope you can produce a result that can provide the best opportunity for your student-athletes. But the first goal is to not be in that position.

Q: Is Dec. 26 the earliest you could do, given the last exam is the 20th?

JS: It might be. It depends on where it is. My first couple of years I got very vested in how all of this worked and sort of trying to figure it out, and then I realized so much changes in the last four weeks."

http://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/c...0f31a.html



The only good thing about the Independence Bowl is that I would likely drive up to see the game.

(11-17-2013 09:55 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Don't discount the Yankees for getting a great opponent for Notre Dame...I could see them using their influence (i.e. $$$) to line up the best available opponent for Notre Dame.

Don't think the AAC would be in any mood to negotiate with them at all, and given it's one of their bowls- the Yankees can frankly pound sand there.

(11-17-2013 10:49 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 12:20 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ND is obligated to Pinstripe.

IIRC, Notre Dame agreed to be a backup if the Big 12 could not fill its obligation, but I am not sure that means ND is "obligated" to go to the Pinstripe. E.g., what if last year the Big 12 didn't meet its Pinstripe obligation, would that have meant ND could not play in the national title game because they had to fill that Pinstripe slot?

I doubt that. I bet the backup agreement just means ND has the option of filling the Pinstripe slot if they want it. They have first dibs on that slot in the event it opens but can go elsewhere if they want. Maybe the Poinsettia?

ND is not required to go to the Pinstripe Bowl. They can choose among several not so good options.

Jack Swarbrick said in October that ND may not go to any bowl prior to December 26th because of finals.


"Q: Notre Dame is still in the running for a BCS bowl, but if you don’t end up there and you’re picking from among a handful of options, what’s most important? Is it opponent? Is it date? Is it location?

JS: Yes.
All those factor in. Date is really important to us, especially its relevance to final exams and how all that works. You look at all those factors, there’s sort of an interesting process that goes on at that level of bowls, where a lot of people are talking and trying to figure out what the best pairings are and how to make them work.
You participate in those discussions and hope you can produce a result that can provide the best opportunity for your student-athletes. But the first goal is to not be in that position.

Q: Is Dec. 26 the earliest you could do, given the last exam is the 20th?

JS: It might be. It depends on where it is. My first couple of years I got very vested in how all of this worked and sort of trying to figure it out, and then I realized so much changes in the last four weeks."

http://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/c...0f31a.html



The only good thing about the Independence Bowl is that I would likely drive up to see the game.

Nothing in that article says that they aren't required to go to the Pinstripe in this situation.

And for those that didn't think the bowls made a difference:

Q: How nice will it be to not ever have to deal with this again?

JS: It’ll be very nice. It is one of the most important byproducts of our affiliation with the ACC, because our opportunities to actively control our fate were getting smaller, not larger. As conferences grow in size and are making commitments down to their ninth, 10th teams, it makes for a much more difficult situation for an independent.

(11-17-2013 10:49 AM)TerryD Wrote:  The only good thing about the Independence Bowl is that I would likely drive up to see the game.

FWIW, I bet ND does accept a Pinstripe bid. NYC around Christmas/New Years would be a treat for the players and there are lots of fans in the area.

(11-17-2013 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:55 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Don't discount the Yankees for getting a great opponent for Notre Dame...I could see them using their influence (i.e. $$$) to line up the best available opponent for Notre Dame.

Don't think the AAC would be in any mood to negotiate with them at all, and given it's one of their bowls- the Yankees can frankly pound sand there.

its only the aac's bowl for this year after that it goes to big ten vs acc

(11-17-2013 12:48 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:55 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Don't discount the Yankees for getting a great opponent for Notre Dame...I could see them using their influence (i.e. $$$) to line up the best available opponent for Notre Dame.

Don't think the AAC would be in any mood to negotiate with them at all, and given it's one of their bowls- the Yankees can frankly pound sand there.

its only the aac's bowl for this year after that it goes to big ten vs acc

Right, which means the AAC has no incentive to stay on the good side of the bowl.

(11-17-2013 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:55 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Don't discount the Yankees for getting a great opponent for Notre Dame...I could see them using their influence (i.e. $$$) to line up the best available opponent for Notre Dame.

Don't think the AAC would be in any mood to negotiate with them at all, and given it's one of their bowls- the Yankees can frankly pound sand there.

$$$ talks...and the AAC would love the chance to play a competitive game against ND.

(11-17-2013 10:49 AM)TerryD Wrote:  The only good thing about the Independence Bowl is that I would likely drive up to see the game.

Has Notre Dame dropped its 13th scheduled opponent and finalized the 2014 schedule? I could still see a win-win in Notre Dame coming to Dallas to play Rice in the Heart of Dallas Bowl, in return for Rice letting Notre Dame out of the 2014 opener in South Bend.

(11-17-2013 12:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:55 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Don't discount the Yankees for getting a great opponent for Notre Dame...I could see them using their influence (i.e. $$$) to line up the best available opponent for Notre Dame.

Don't think the AAC would be in any mood to negotiate with them at all, and given it's one of their bowls- the Yankees can frankly pound sand there.

$$$ talks...and the AAC would love the chance to play a competitive game against ND.

The other bowls won't go for that-Louisville will be going to the Russell Sports Bowl.

Personally I would love for Rutgers to not be bowl eligible and the Pinstripe takes Boston College.

(11-17-2013 03:27 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Personally I would love for Rutgers to not be bowl eligible and the Pinstripe takes Boston College.

Boston College is in the ACC...

AAC will have enough for the Pinstripe. at worst, it'd be the loser of the Cincy/Houston game.

(11-17-2013 02:49 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:49 AM)TerryD Wrote:  The only good thing about the Independence Bowl is that I would likely drive up to see the game.

Has Notre Dame dropped its 13th scheduled opponent and finalized the 2014 schedule? I could still see a win-win in Notre Dame coming to Dallas to play Rice in the Heart of Dallas Bowl, in return for Rice letting Notre Dame out of the 2014 opener in South Bend.

No to both. Swarbrick is still working on the 2014 schedule. No announcements yet.


"Q: Do you have any idea when the 2014 schedule will be ready?

JS: I don’t. It is dependent on other people. So you work. You’ve got a lot of friends helping and trying to move some things and line up some games, and that assistance is greatly appreciated and moves at its own pace.

Q: Purdue athletic director Morgan Burke recently came out with a statement about Purdue and Notre Dame no longer playing each other on an annual basis, moving forward. I guess that was old news in my mind, but is it going to be less frequent than originally thought?

JS: I’m not going to go into details of future schedules until they’re available to be released.

Q: Is it getting easier to get all the scheduling pieces to fit once you get past 2014?

JS: The period of 2014 to 2020 is all one challenge. It all relates, because the things you’re trying to move out of a year into another year are impacting somewhere in that time span. There’s a critical time span we’re trying to resolve all at once, because it’s the only way you can do it.

I use the Rubik’s Cube analogy — every piece you move has an impact on another piece. If we could look at this in a one-year window, we would have released the schedule a long time ago, but it’s because it has to be viewed in a six-year window, that it takes more time."

(11-17-2013 03:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 03:27 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Personally I would love for Rutgers to not be bowl eligible and the Pinstripe takes Boston College.

Boston College is in the ACC...

AAC will have enough for the Pinstripe. at worst, it'd be the loser of the Cincy/Houston game.

I thought the Pinstripe was #5 for the AAC but looks like it's#4. That will suck for Houston. At least Cincy and Rutgers are used to the cold.

Steve:

By what mechanism would ND be "obligated" to go to the Pinstripe Bowl? ND has no bowl ties this year at all.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college...ojections/

ND has a contract for the Pinstripe should the Big 12 not be able to fill it's spots.