(11-09-2013 01:28 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:22 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:19 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I completely think its a larger scale decision. Watch the MACC last year, if you haven't seen that broadcast, it will change your mind. It is not just one or two people, look at the BCS countdown show, basically a 1-hour NIU exclusive attacking the Huskies. Last year's MACC was a 3-hour special saying how a MAC team shouldn't get in, especially NIU. Look at the scripted conversations of other ESPN games talking about NIU. There is definitely something handed down in terms of marching orders for the NIU talking points.

I think all those broadcasts u just mentioned were positive of NIU and Lynch, the only knock they bring up is our weak SOS. Which is a true, fact.

Yeah, that's how I feel. It's been "they're good" with the huge BUT being "they haven't played anyone good." That's not unreasonable.

And the tone Herbie used last year was gross and it made it seem like he blamed NIU instead of the system, which was wrong. But, you know, he's allowed to have an opinion and I'm allowed to ignore it.

Why don't these weak SOS arguments extend to Louisville, Ohio State, UCF? Those teams have in most cases equally bad schedules. Louisville probably at the end of the year will have a WORSE SOS than NIU, yet Louisville was being considered a national title contender. ESPN thinks its wrong for NIU to even be in the top 25. How is something not off there

Louisville and Ohio State have top 10 defenses, and don't play close games with the Idahos and Akrons of FBS. Their defensive performance is such that people believe they can play with top 25 teams.

Because they play horrific schedules!! lol, but you wont hear the SOS argument from ESPN on that. Its comical how anyone can be in large enough denial to not see this.

So lets see Ball STate is what 34 in the BCS rankings, I guess a test will be if ESPN acknowledges a big win vs a top 35 BCS team if NIU beats BallState. Im not holding my breath NIU will get credit for that win, why? Not because BSU is not a great team, but because BSU plays in the MAC

(11-09-2013 01:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:22 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:19 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:11 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  Do you really think it's a network decision? ESPN is worth $40 billion....do you think the network spends much of their time thinking about a school they pay a few measly thousands to in order to show their games? Sure, they have a lot of money riding on the BCS games, but NIU didn't lose them any money in that game last year, it did very well as I recall.

They employ 8 billion "analysts," many of which don't think NIU has earned their ranking....that's about the size of it.

I completely think its a larger scale decision. Watch the MACC last year, if you haven't seen that broadcast, it will change your mind. It is not just one or two people, look at the BCS countdown show, basically a 1-hour NIU exclusive attacking the Huskies. Last year's MACC was a 3-hour special saying how a MAC team shouldn't get in, especially NIU. Look at the scripted conversations of other ESPN games talking about NIU. There is definitely something handed down in terms of marching orders for the NIU talking points.

I think all those broadcasts u just mentioned were positive of NIU and Lynch, the only knock they bring up is our weak SOS. Which is a true, fact.

Yeah, that's how I feel. It's been "they're good" with the huge BUT being "they haven't played anyone good." That's not unreasonable.

And the tone Herbie used last year was gross and it made it seem like he blamed NIU instead of the system, which was wrong. But, you know, he's allowed to have an opinion and I'm allowed to ignore it.

Why don't these weak SOS arguments extend to Louisville, Ohio State, UCF? Those teams have in most cases equally bad schedules. Louisville probably at the end of the year will have a WORSE SOS than NIU, yet Louisville was being considered a national title contender. ESPN thinks its wrong for NIU to even be in the top 25. How is something not off there

How can you even compare the SOS of OSU to NIU? It should not even be a topic of discussion. Louisville received pre-poll love because they dominated Florida in the BCS bowl last year, but they lost the love when they lost to UCF and it shows in the polls.

UCF is a closer argument, they have beaten 3 teams with winning records to our 1 ( of them being a top 10 Lousville team) and lost to #12 SC by 3 being their lone loss. Where is our Top 10 win to hang our hat on? But guess what - they are still below us in the BCS and we are about to embark on 3/4 of our tuffest MAC games.

(11-09-2013 01:33 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:22 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:19 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I completely think its a larger scale decision. Watch the MACC last year, if you haven't seen that broadcast, it will change your mind. It is not just one or two people, look at the BCS countdown show, basically a 1-hour NIU exclusive attacking the Huskies. Last year's MACC was a 3-hour special saying how a MAC team shouldn't get in, especially NIU. Look at the scripted conversations of other ESPN games talking about NIU. There is definitely something handed down in terms of marching orders for the NIU talking points.

I think all those broadcasts u just mentioned were positive of NIU and Lynch, the only knock they bring up is our weak SOS. Which is a true, fact.

Yeah, that's how I feel. It's been "they're good" with the huge BUT being "they haven't played anyone good." That's not unreasonable.

And the tone Herbie used last year was gross and it made it seem like he blamed NIU instead of the system, which was wrong. But, you know, he's allowed to have an opinion and I'm allowed to ignore it.

Why don't these weak SOS arguments extend to Louisville, Ohio State, UCF? Those teams have in most cases equally bad schedules. Louisville probably at the end of the year will have a WORSE SOS than NIU, yet Louisville was being considered a national title contender. ESPN thinks its wrong for NIU to even be in the top 25. How is something not off there

How can you even compare the SOS of OSU to NIU? It should not even be a topic of discussion. Louisville received pre-poll love because they dominated Florida in the BCS bowl last year, but they lost the love when they lost to UCF and it shows in the polls.

UCF is a closer argument, they have beaten 3 teams with winning records to our 1 ( of them being a top 10 Lousville team) and lost to #12 SC by 3 being their lone loss. Where is our Top 10 win to hang our hat on? But guess what - they are still below us in the BCS and we are about to embark on 3/4 of our tuffest MAC games.

My main point was, if we have a stronger schedule than Louisville, why was there no disgust with Louisville playing for a national title, but ESPN has issues with NIU being in the top 25. It blows the SOS argument outta da water, sorryl

(11-09-2013 01:35 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:33 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:22 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:19 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  I think all those broadcasts u just mentioned were positive of NIU and Lynch, the only knock they bring up is our weak SOS. Which is a true, fact.

Yeah, that's how I feel. It's been "they're good" with the huge BUT being "they haven't played anyone good." That's not unreasonable.

And the tone Herbie used last year was gross and it made it seem like he blamed NIU instead of the system, which was wrong. But, you know, he's allowed to have an opinion and I'm allowed to ignore it.

Why don't these weak SOS arguments extend to Louisville, Ohio State, UCF? Those teams have in most cases equally bad schedules. Louisville probably at the end of the year will have a WORSE SOS than NIU, yet Louisville was being considered a national title contender. ESPN thinks its wrong for NIU to even be in the top 25. How is something not off there

How can you even compare the SOS of OSU to NIU? It should not even be a topic of discussion. Louisville received pre-poll love because they dominated Florida in the BCS bowl last year, but they lost the love when they lost to UCF and it shows in the polls.

UCF is a closer argument, they have beaten 3 teams with winning records to our 1 ( of them being a top 10 Lousville team) and lost to #12 SC by 3 being their lone loss. Where is our Top 10 win to hang our hat on? But guess what - they are still below us in the BCS and we are about to embark on 3/4 of our tuffest MAC games.

My main point was, if we have a stronger schedule than Louisville, why was there no disgust with Louisville playing for a national title, but ESPN has issues with NIU being in the top 25. It blows the SOS argument outta da water, sorryl

We don't have a stronger schedule than Lousiville, and Louisville was brought into the national title discussion and abruptly shot down because their schedule and resume does not compare to the other top 5. ESPN has issues with Louisville playing in the national title, none of the analysts were saying they deserved it as a conclusion. You think Louisville boards were blowing up because ESPN said they don't have the SOS to play in the title game?

(11-09-2013 01:39 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:35 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:33 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:22 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  Yeah, that's how I feel. It's been "they're good" with the huge BUT being "they haven't played anyone good." That's not unreasonable.

And the tone Herbie used last year was gross and it made it seem like he blamed NIU instead of the system, which was wrong. But, you know, he's allowed to have an opinion and I'm allowed to ignore it.

Why don't these weak SOS arguments extend to Louisville, Ohio State, UCF? Those teams have in most cases equally bad schedules. Louisville probably at the end of the year will have a WORSE SOS than NIU, yet Louisville was being considered a national title contender. ESPN thinks its wrong for NIU to even be in the top 25. How is something not off there

How can you even compare the SOS of OSU to NIU? It should not even be a topic of discussion. Louisville received pre-poll love because they dominated Florida in the BCS bowl last year, but they lost the love when they lost to UCF and it shows in the polls.

UCF is a closer argument, they have beaten 3 teams with winning records to our 1 ( of them being a top 10 Lousville team) and lost to #12 SC by 3 being their lone loss. Where is our Top 10 win to hang our hat on? But guess what - they are still below us in the BCS and we are about to embark on 3/4 of our tuffest MAC games.

My main point was, if we have a stronger schedule than Louisville, why was there no disgust with Louisville playing for a national title, but ESPN has issues with NIU being in the top 25. It blows the SOS argument outta da water, sorryl

We don't have a stronger schedule than Lousiville, and Louisville was brought into the national title discussion and abruptly shot down because their schedule and resume does not compare to the other top 5. ESPN has issues with Louisville playing in the national title, none of the analysts were saying they deserved it as a conclusion. You think Louisville boards were blowing up because ESPN said they don't have the SOS to play in the title game?

By the end of the year, NIU has just as strong of schedule as Louisville. Do you really think ESPN will give NIU credit for beating a top 34 BCS team, Ill answer that for you :) No, because its a MAC team. No matter how good a MAC team is, ESPN would not give us credit for winning that game. Kinda makes the whole argument over.

(11-09-2013 09:57 AM)clcfball11 Wrote:  I hope Pollack wakes up tomorrow with advanced-stage chlamydia.

wouldnt shock me if he already has it.

(11-09-2013 01:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:39 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:35 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:33 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Why don't these weak SOS arguments extend to Louisville, Ohio State, UCF? Those teams have in most cases equally bad schedules. Louisville probably at the end of the year will have a WORSE SOS than NIU, yet Louisville was being considered a national title contender. ESPN thinks its wrong for NIU to even be in the top 25. How is something not off there

How can you even compare the SOS of OSU to NIU? It should not even be a topic of discussion. Louisville received pre-poll love because they dominated Florida in the BCS bowl last year, but they lost the love when they lost to UCF and it shows in the polls.

UCF is a closer argument, they have beaten 3 teams with winning records to our 1 ( of them being a top 10 Lousville team) and lost to #12 SC by 3 being their lone loss. Where is our Top 10 win to hang our hat on? But guess what - they are still below us in the BCS and we are about to embark on 3/4 of our tuffest MAC games.

My main point was, if we have a stronger schedule than Louisville, why was there no disgust with Louisville playing for a national title, but ESPN has issues with NIU being in the top 25. It blows the SOS argument outta da water, sorryl

We don't have a stronger schedule than Lousiville, and Louisville was brought into the national title discussion and abruptly shot down because their schedule and resume does not compare to the other top 5. ESPN has issues with Louisville playing in the national title, none of the analysts were saying they deserved it as a conclusion. You think Louisville boards were blowing up because ESPN said they don't have the SOS to play in the title game?

By the end of the year, NIU has just as strong of schedule as Louisville. Do you really think ESPN will give NIU credit for beating a top 34 BCS team, Ill answer that for you :) No, because its a MAC team. No matter how good a MAC team is, ESPN would not give us credit for winning that game. Kinda makes the whole argument over.

I don't think they will be dismissive of a Ball State and Toledo win, but its not a win over a T25 team. Its still better wins over FSU next 2 games though, and that will be reflected in the polls and computers.

(11-09-2013 01:55 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:39 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:35 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:33 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  How can you even compare the SOS of OSU to NIU? It should not even be a topic of discussion. Louisville received pre-poll love because they dominated Florida in the BCS bowl last year, but they lost the love when they lost to UCF and it shows in the polls.

UCF is a closer argument, they have beaten 3 teams with winning records to our 1 ( of them being a top 10 Lousville team) and lost to #12 SC by 3 being their lone loss. Where is our Top 10 win to hang our hat on? But guess what - they are still below us in the BCS and we are about to embark on 3/4 of our tuffest MAC games.

My main point was, if we have a stronger schedule than Louisville, why was there no disgust with Louisville playing for a national title, but ESPN has issues with NIU being in the top 25. It blows the SOS argument outta da water, sorryl

We don't have a stronger schedule than Lousiville, and Louisville was brought into the national title discussion and abruptly shot down because their schedule and resume does not compare to the other top 5. ESPN has issues with Louisville playing in the national title, none of the analysts were saying they deserved it as a conclusion. You think Louisville boards were blowing up because ESPN said they don't have the SOS to play in the title game?

By the end of the year, NIU has just as strong of schedule as Louisville. Do you really think ESPN will give NIU credit for beating a top 34 BCS team, Ill answer that for you :) No, because its a MAC team. No matter how good a MAC team is, ESPN would not give us credit for winning that game. Kinda makes the whole argument over.

I don't think they will be dismissive of a Ball State and Toledo win, but its not a win over a T25 team. Its still better wins over FSU next 2 games though, and that will be reflected in the polls and computers.

That's optimistic thinking because to this point, NIU has not been given credit for anything in comparison to Fresno . The only weeks NIU has gained are weeks where its so obvious that they have no choice. It does make you wonder with the latest ESPN smear campaign this week, what effect that has on the voters. I think it will be pretty substantial and you could even see NIU drop a few spots.

(11-09-2013 12:46 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 12:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 12:18 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:47 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  I didn't see the segment so I'm just reacting to what I've read here. Those who quibble with our strength of schedule have a valid point, our SOS sucks. But it's hilarious that The Gerbils would look at the Purdue game and try to pull a negative from that. Yes, Purdue is bad. But they are still a Big 10 team that we took to the woodshed in their own house, putting up 55 points and leaving quite a few more out there as I recall. Did we give up some yards? Yes we did. We also had our backups in the game early in the second half because we were killing them so bad. Those guys are completely nuts.

One more note: If style points count so much we could have left Lynch in the game and scored 80+. Maybe we should start doing that.

We took Purdue to the woodshed by having Purdue turn the ball over 5 times, getting a KRTD, and a pick-6. Two of the INTs were tipped balls where our guys were in the right place at the right time.

Purdue's offense had 250-300 yards in the first half on our first team defense, they moved the ball easily on us, but we capitalized on opportunities where the ball bounced our way. Had the ball not bounced our way, we had the rare defensive score and special teams TD in the same game, we would've been in a shoot out like we were with EIU and Idaho. And that is why they feel we're overrated. It's not an unreasonable view.

Sure it was a great win, but we didn't beat them 56-0 and give up 116 yards in the game like Ohio State did last week That is the kind of performance where people will agree you would win the game 10 of 10 times, and earn the respect most on this head are claiming NIU is lacking.

Oh my good lord are we really being scrutinized for playing backups hahaha HuskieJoe come on this is just ridiculous. You are defending ESPN to the grave. Michigan St. won by less points over Purdue than NIU did, Michigan State is ahead of NIU. NIU could have scored as many points as they wanted to in that game. If you really think scoring 70 vs 55 is going to change ESPN's impression of the Huskies, you are delusional.

We are not being scrutinized for playing backups, we're scrutinized since our defense has not been impressive except being respectable against the bottom of the MAC.

I don't think scoring 70 would have impressed ESPN, but holding Purdue to 300-350 yards would have made the win more respectable.

BTW - Michigan State shut out Purdue and held them to 226 yards. Sure winning 14-0 isn't that great, but that's far from their signature win also.

So what? They only beat Purdue by 14. We crushed Purdue. They scored a late TD against backups too. Is yard differential more important than actual points now?

***We should start a Facebook page, "NIU vs. ESPN" and ride it our hard the rest of the season. Post positives about us and dumb things the ESPN idiots say....

(11-09-2013 01:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:55 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:39 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:35 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  My main point was, if we have a stronger schedule than Louisville, why was there no disgust with Louisville playing for a national title, but ESPN has issues with NIU being in the top 25. It blows the SOS argument outta da water, sorryl

We don't have a stronger schedule than Lousiville, and Louisville was brought into the national title discussion and abruptly shot down because their schedule and resume does not compare to the other top 5. ESPN has issues with Louisville playing in the national title, none of the analysts were saying they deserved it as a conclusion. You think Louisville boards were blowing up because ESPN said they don't have the SOS to play in the title game?

By the end of the year, NIU has just as strong of schedule as Louisville. Do you really think ESPN will give NIU credit for beating a top 34 BCS team, Ill answer that for you :) No, because its a MAC team. No matter how good a MAC team is, ESPN would not give us credit for winning that game. Kinda makes the whole argument over.

I don't think they will be dismissive of a Ball State and Toledo win, but its not a win over a T25 team. Its still better wins over FSU next 2 games though, and that will be reflected in the polls and computers.

That's optimistic thinking because to this point, NIU has not been given credit for anything in comparison to Fresno . The only weeks NIU has gained are weeks where its so obvious that they have no choice. It does make you wonder with the latest ESPN smear campaign this week, what effect that has on the voters. I think it will be pretty substantial and you could even see NIU drop a few spots.

We have been gaining on Fresno in the human polls the last few weeks... we have lost ground in the computers though because we just finished the weak part of our schedule.

I think the ESPN smear campaign will have 0 effect, and with a win over BSU will give us a substantial push in the computers and even the human polls if there are spots we can fill infront of us.

(11-09-2013 02:00 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:55 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:39 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  We don't have a stronger schedule than Lousiville, and Louisville was brought into the national title discussion and abruptly shot down because their schedule and resume does not compare to the other top 5. ESPN has issues with Louisville playing in the national title, none of the analysts were saying they deserved it as a conclusion. You think Louisville boards were blowing up because ESPN said they don't have the SOS to play in the title game?

By the end of the year, NIU has just as strong of schedule as Louisville. Do you really think ESPN will give NIU credit for beating a top 34 BCS team, Ill answer that for you :) No, because its a MAC team. No matter how good a MAC team is, ESPN would not give us credit for winning that game. Kinda makes the whole argument over.

I don't think they will be dismissive of a Ball State and Toledo win, but its not a win over a T25 team. Its still better wins over FSU next 2 games though, and that will be reflected in the polls and computers.

That's optimistic thinking because to this point, NIU has not been given credit for anything in comparison to Fresno . The only weeks NIU has gained are weeks where its so obvious that they have no choice. It does make you wonder with the latest ESPN smear campaign this week, what effect that has on the voters. I think it will be pretty substantial and you could even see NIU drop a few spots.

We have been gaining on Fresno in the human polls the last few weeks... we have lost ground in the computers though because we just finished the weak part of our schedule.

I think the ESPN smear campaign will have 0 effect, and with a win over BSU will give us a substantial push in the computers and even the human polls if there are spots we can fill infront of us.

I think you underestimate the power of ESPN lol, but we shall see

See "facebook" idea above please. Anybody?

(11-09-2013 02:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 02:00 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:55 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  By the end of the year, NIU has just as strong of schedule as Louisville. Do you really think ESPN will give NIU credit for beating a top 34 BCS team, Ill answer that for you :) No, because its a MAC team. No matter how good a MAC team is, ESPN would not give us credit for winning that game. Kinda makes the whole argument over.

I don't think they will be dismissive of a Ball State and Toledo win, but its not a win over a T25 team. Its still better wins over FSU next 2 games though, and that will be reflected in the polls and computers.

That's optimistic thinking because to this point, NIU has not been given credit for anything in comparison to Fresno . The only weeks NIU has gained are weeks where its so obvious that they have no choice. It does make you wonder with the latest ESPN smear campaign this week, what effect that has on the voters. I think it will be pretty substantial and you could even see NIU drop a few spots.

We have been gaining on Fresno in the human polls the last few weeks... we have lost ground in the computers though because we just finished the weak part of our schedule.

I think the ESPN smear campaign will have 0 effect, and with a win over BSU will give us a substantial push in the computers and even the human polls if there are spots we can fill infront of us.

I think you underestimate the power of ESPN lol, but we shall see

If your arguing their power to influence over college football fans and sports fans in general, I would agree. But coach's, sports writers and media, and former players don't need ESPN to shape their voting patterns. In fact, I would argue the sport writer's would rather do their own diligence than even watch a competitor's opinion.

Hey, the great thing about being undefeated is it forces all these idiots to acknowledge and talk about us.

Every non-BCS team has a weak schedule, if it were so easy for non-BCS teams to go undefeated then we would be doing it all the time.

(11-09-2013 02:02 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  See "facebook" idea above please. Anybody?

Interesting idea! I would like the idea maybe to start it if NIU beats Toledo and Ball State. It would be tough to start the page and then have to take it down in a week haha. I have to admit one of the biggest rewards as a fan a BCS game would have for me is the BCS selection show and to see those asshats have to wear it another year.

(11-09-2013 01:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So what? They only beat Purdue by 14. We crushed Purdue. They scored a late TD against backups too. Is yard differential more important than actual points now?

Yard differential isn't more important than points, but it is a metric people look at when trying to figure out how to fit a team with a horrible SoS into the Top 25.

Sagarin's SoS ratings

Ohio State 81
UCF 82
Michigan State 86
Louisville 103
NIU 134

PPG
Louisville 10.6 (2)
Michigan St 11.6 (3)
Ohio St 17.0 (9)
UCF 19.3 (17)
NIU 25.0 (~55)

YPG
Michigan St 210.3 (1)
Louisville 243.7 (2)
Ohio St 311.7 (10)
UCF 349 (22)
NIU 419.6 (~75)

For having such an easy schedule, we have given up a lot of yards and a lot of points. That causes people to question how NIU would stack up against teams in the Top 20.

(11-09-2013 01:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:22 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:19 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:11 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  Do you really think it's a network decision? ESPN is worth $40 billion....do you think the network spends much of their time thinking about a school they pay a few measly thousands to in order to show their games? Sure, they have a lot of money riding on the BCS games, but NIU didn't lose them any money in that game last year, it did very well as I recall.

They employ 8 billion "analysts," many of which don't think NIU has earned their ranking....that's about the size of it.

I completely think its a larger scale decision. Watch the MACC last year, if you haven't seen that broadcast, it will change your mind. It is not just one or two people, look at the BCS countdown show, basically a 1-hour NIU exclusive attacking the Huskies. Last year's MACC was a 3-hour special saying how a MAC team shouldn't get in, especially NIU. Look at the scripted conversations of other ESPN games talking about NIU. There is definitely something handed down in terms of marching orders for the NIU talking points.

I think all those broadcasts u just mentioned were positive of NIU and Lynch, the only knock they bring up is our weak SOS. Which is a true, fact.

Yeah, that's how I feel. It's been "they're good" with the huge BUT being "they haven't played anyone good." That's not unreasonable.

And the tone Herbie used last year was gross and it made it seem like he blamed NIU instead of the system, which was wrong. But, you know, he's allowed to have an opinion and I'm allowed to ignore it.

Why don't these weak SOS arguments extend to Louisville, Ohio State, UCF? Those teams have in most cases equally bad schedules. Louisville probably at the end of the year will have a WORSE SOS than NIU, yet Louisville was being considered a national title contender. ESPN thinks its wrong for NIU to even be in the top 25. How is something not off there

Louisville isn't threatening to make a BCS game. And UCF has played a better schedule, the question, which is majorly subjective, is if their loss to South Carolina cancels out the better schedule. I could see why somebody would think they are as or more deserving than NIU.

(11-09-2013 02:37 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:22 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:19 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 01:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I completely think its a larger scale decision. Watch the MACC last year, if you haven't seen that broadcast, it will change your mind. It is not just one or two people, look at the BCS countdown show, basically a 1-hour NIU exclusive attacking the Huskies. Last year's MACC was a 3-hour special saying how a MAC team shouldn't get in, especially NIU. Look at the scripted conversations of other ESPN games talking about NIU. There is definitely something handed down in terms of marching orders for the NIU talking points.

I think all those broadcasts u just mentioned were positive of NIU and Lynch, the only knock they bring up is our weak SOS. Which is a true, fact.

Yeah, that's how I feel. It's been "they're good" with the huge BUT being "they haven't played anyone good." That's not unreasonable.

And the tone Herbie used last year was gross and it made it seem like he blamed NIU instead of the system, which was wrong. But, you know, he's allowed to have an opinion and I'm allowed to ignore it.

Why don't these weak SOS arguments extend to Louisville, Ohio State, UCF? Those teams have in most cases equally bad schedules. Louisville probably at the end of the year will have a WORSE SOS than NIU, yet Louisville was being considered a national title contender. ESPN thinks its wrong for NIU to even be in the top 25. How is something not off there

Louisville isn't threatening to make a BCS game. And UCF has played a better schedule, the question, which is majorly subjective, is if their loss to South Carolina cancels out the better schedule. I could see why somebody would think they are as or more deserving than NIU.

UCF is an automatic qualifier. They don't have to do anything to get into a BCS bowl other than to win a lousy conference. What ESPN was trying to do today is get people to think UCF was a non-AQ so that they would place UCF above NIU. It is a little more convincing to mislead and treat people like they are dumbasses, than to simply come out and say "Please vote UCF above NIU because that means a non-AQ cant get in". hahaha And you know what Im starting to think it was no mistake a few weeks back when Herbstreit said UCF was the best non-AQ, I think he knew exactly what he was doing.