I would give him at least one more year. He like Oleary at UCF took over a train wreck.

Andre, the way off the "bandwagon" is towards Baton Rogue.

I may not seem this way right now, but Monken is a "keeper." Give him another season or two, I think he'll erase the stench Johnson put on the program. Throwing Ellis Johnson back is the wisest thing USM could have done under the circumstances. He makes Neil Callaway look like Vince Lombardi.

No. I saw some good young talent in our game last Saturday. The QB and WR's will be very good in a year or two. USM will be fine. Monken is playing a lot of young kids and in time, they will be taking out their frustrations on all of us with an experienced group of Juniors and Seniors. jmo.

No. It might take a few years but eventually all of those Freshman and Sophomores will be Juniors and Seniors and everything will click. If they did make a change it would send a bad precedent to any future coach if 2 coaches in back to back years only get one year. I understand the whole Johnson thing but if Monken is your guy then you stick with it, take your lumps now for success in the future. I would expect USM to go after a load of JUCOs to add a mix of experience to add with the youth. There isnt anyway to quick fix anything or microwave it. When Ruff first got here in 2010 we were coming off a championship but had lost a great deal of leadership and experience and it showed on defense where we literally had the worst Defense in the entire country. Our Defense is still a work in progress but it is much improved since he got here and those redshirt freshman and sophomores that played are now juniors and seniors.

(11-06-2013 05:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Here's another thing you're about to see. You're about to see those who truly bleed black and gold and those who pretend to. I feel like while we're not going to pack the stands until we get the Ws again, we'll have some fans that'll stick it out and watch as many Golden Eagle games as possible and pull for the boys. You're going to have some that claim to be USM fans during the good times and during the bad times we won't hear or see them until the good times come back.

Will I trade in my Black, Gold, and White polos with USM logos on them for Crimson and White polos? No.

Will I trade in all my USM t-shirts and ballcaps for LSU, MSU, Auburn, or Mizzou gear? Not on your life.

A few will root for someone else. But by and large they will still be Eagle fans, and just not go to games - plenty of other stuff to do. But the real problems set in if the losing persists. More and more stay away; and they start to forget about USM. And they're not taking their kids to games, so the new generation isn't being developed. And then it will just dwindle. But that will take 5-10 years.

(11-07-2013 09:04 AM)DrBox Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 05:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Here's another thing you're about to see. You're about to see those who truly bleed black and gold and those who pretend to. I feel like while we're not going to pack the stands until we get the Ws again, we'll have some fans that'll stick it out and watch as many Golden Eagle games as possible and pull for the boys. You're going to have some that claim to be USM fans during the good times and during the bad times we won't hear or see them until the good times come back.

Will I trade in my Black, Gold, and White polos with USM logos on them for Crimson and White polos? No.

Will I trade in all my USM t-shirts and ballcaps for LSU, MSU, Auburn, or Mizzou gear? Not on your life.

A few will root for someone else. But by and large they will still be Eagle fans, and just not go to games - plenty of other stuff to do. But the real problems set in if the losing persists. More and more stay away; and they start to forget about USM. And they're not taking their kids to games, so the new generation isn't being developed. And then it will just dwindle. But that will take 5-10 years.

Sounds a lot like UAB's plight..."The Culture Of Losing" is what it's mostly called. Not a good feeling at all...

(11-07-2013 09:07 AM)Matrix Wrote:  Sounds a lot like UAB's plight..."The Culture Of Losing" is what it's mostly called. Not a good feeling at all...

Why are Tulane and UAB at the bottom in attendance? Neither has had a decent team in almost a decade (until TU this year).

The other thing about USM is that they are a lot less competitive this year than they were last year. Monken is going to have to find a way to get players in quickly who can at least compete with the average C-USA team while he builds them back to where they were.

(11-07-2013 08:13 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Andre, the way off the "bandwagon" is towards Baton Rogue.

I have no connection to LSU and I get nothing out of seeing them win.

My low opinion of Todd Monken does not mean I'm less of a fan.

The bandwagon is a reality. People don't put Bama **** on their trucks because they're lovable losers. 90% of the people associated with USM realize that and will tolerate nothing less than consistent winning in a real conference. The other 10% post **** like what you and MadEagle post on this board. These are the people who skipped the 2002 Houston Bowl but make a point of watching us get blown out by Peggy Hill Junior College.

(11-07-2013 07:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I would give him at least one more year. He like Oleary at UCF took over a train wreck.

But O'Lier....O'Leary was the next coach for UND, before...welll....

Monken isn't on that level.

Monken has been put in a position to fail. Hope he stays around.

Last year, there was a actual study published on the effects of firing the coach on team performance the next year. Basically, if the team had a losing record under the old coach, they still had a losing record under the new coach for several more years. Some teams did (and do) catch fire and improve in just a year or two. Likewise, some people buy winning lotto tickets. But the facts are firing the coach rarely means instant success, no matter who you hire.

The full study is linked below.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.11...929.x/full

(11-07-2013 11:04 AM)VideoGreenEagle Wrote:  Last year, there was a actual study published on the effects of firing the coach on team performance the next year. Basically, if the team had a losing record under the old coach, they still had a losing record under the new coach for several more years. Some teams did (and do) catch fire and improve in just a year or two. Likewise, some people buy winning lotto tickets. But the facts are firing the coach rarely means instant success, no matter who you hire.

The full study is linked below.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.11...929.x/full

Well yeah, the first few seasons people should use other metrics to determine team performance. For example, during the JT error, we won three games over two seasons. Skippys first season, we were under .500, but won five games. Clear sign of progress, even though we had a losing season.

(11-07-2013 10:34 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:13 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Andre, the way off the "bandwagon" is towards Baton Rogue.

I have no connection to LSU and I get nothing out of seeing them win.

My low opinion of Todd Monken does not mean I'm less of a fan.

The bandwagon is a reality. People don't put Bama **** on their trucks because they're lovable losers. 90% of the people associated with USM realize that and will tolerate nothing less than consistent winning in a real conference. The other 10% post **** like what you and MadEagle post on this board. These are the people who skipped the 2002 Houston Bowl but make a point of watching us get blown out by Peggy Hill Junior College.

AndreWhere Wrote:I'm not a very good fan. I'm not a die hard. I don't take pride in USM, at least not any more.

Yea.. MadEagle and myself are horrible fans. We don't jump off the "bandwagon" when times get tough and make a big deal about it. You're nothing more than a guy who pulls for the winner. You've said too much putting down on USM. Makes me think you and SJ are the same person. And I don't think you're not a fan because you don't support Monken, it's because you don't support anything USM, that's a tell tale sign someone is not a fan.

It's obvious you look for the worst in a good situation and wait for the moment to tell us "Told You So" when your prediction of failure occurs. So please spare me anything you have to say about your membership and the whole 2002 Houston Bowl BS. That seems to be your only claim to fandom, because you and Jeff Bower were the only ones there. If not for the sweat, blood, and tears of Andre, USM would be in the same Division and conference as Mississippi College, yea spare me.

USM has done more for me than any other institution of higher education has done career wise. When it comes to sports that's just a bonus. I've gotten mad over losses, and celebrated over wins. Right now I cringe at a loss, but I'm not the one putting down on other fans, just you because I don't think you're a fan. Your posts make me feel like you think USM, all the coaches, and the whole Athletic department owe you something, guess what, they don't. So stick the whole, "I was there at the 2002 Houston Bowl" BS up your pompous ass and hop off the bandwagon.

And where do I get the whole thing about you pull for LSU.. Well if I recall correctly you live somewhere in Louisiana, so I figured you wanted to pull for a winner in a big conference because that's all you spout off about.

(11-07-2013 03:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 10:34 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:13 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Andre, the way off the "bandwagon" is towards Baton Rogue.

I have no connection to LSU and I get nothing out of seeing them win.

My low opinion of Todd Monken does not mean I'm less of a fan.

The bandwagon is a reality. People don't put Bama **** on their trucks because they're lovable losers. 90% of the people associated with USM realize that and will tolerate nothing less than consistent winning in a real conference. The other 10% post **** like what you and MadEagle post on this board. These are the people who skipped the 2002 Houston Bowl but make a point of watching us get blown out by Peggy Hill Junior College.

AndreWhere Wrote:I'm not a very good fan. I'm not a die hard. I don't take pride in USM, at least not any more.

Yea.. MadEagle and myself are horrible fans. We don't jump off the "bandwagon" when times get tough and make a big deal about it. You're nothing more than a guy who pulls for the winner. You've said too much putting down on USM. Makes me think you and SJ are the same person. And I don't think you're not a fan because you don't support Monken, it's because you don't support anything USM, that's a tell tale sign someone is not a fan.

It's obvious you look for the worst in a good situation and wait for the moment to tell us "Told You So" when your prediction of failure occurs. So please spare me anything you have to say about your membership and the whole 2002 Houston Bowl BS. That seems to be your only claim to fandom, because you and Jeff Bower were the only ones there. If not for the sweat, blood, and tears of Andre, USM would be in the same Division and conference as Mississippi College, yea spare me.

USM has done more for me than any other institution of higher education has done career wise. When it comes to sports that's just a bonus. I've gotten mad over losses, and celebrated over wins. Right now I cringe at a loss, but I'm not the one putting down on other fans, just you because I don't think you're a fan. Your posts make me feel like you think USM, all the coaches, and the whole Athletic department owe you something, guess what, they don't. So stick the whole, "I was there at the 2002 Houston Bowl" BS up your pompous ass and hop off the bandwagon.

And where do I get the whole thing about you pull for LSU.. Well if I recall correctly you live somewhere in Louisiana, so I figured you wanted to pull for a winner in a big conference because that's all you spout off about.

I was at the 2002 Houston Bowl but don't you dare throw me in with Andre's crowd.

Southern Miss shouldn't have fired the last coach.

(11-07-2013 04:21 PM)Eagletats Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 03:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 10:34 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:13 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Andre, the way off the "bandwagon" is towards Baton Rogue.

I have no connection to LSU and I get nothing out of seeing them win.

My low opinion of Todd Monken does not mean I'm less of a fan.

The bandwagon is a reality. People don't put Bama **** on their trucks because they're lovable losers. 90% of the people associated with USM realize that and will tolerate nothing less than consistent winning in a real conference. The other 10% post **** like what you and MadEagle post on this board. These are the people who skipped the 2002 Houston Bowl but make a point of watching us get blown out by Peggy Hill Junior College.

AndreWhere Wrote:I'm not a very good fan. I'm not a die hard. I don't take pride in USM, at least not any more.

Yea.. MadEagle and myself are horrible fans. We don't jump off the "bandwagon" when times get tough and make a big deal about it. You're nothing more than a guy who pulls for the winner. You've said too much putting down on USM. Makes me think you and SJ are the same person. And I don't think you're not a fan because you don't support Monken, it's because you don't support anything USM, that's a tell tale sign someone is not a fan.

It's obvious you look for the worst in a good situation and wait for the moment to tell us "Told You So" when your prediction of failure occurs. So please spare me anything you have to say about your membership and the whole 2002 Houston Bowl BS. That seems to be your only claim to fandom, because you and Jeff Bower were the only ones there. If not for the sweat, blood, and tears of Andre, USM would be in the same Division and conference as Mississippi College, yea spare me.

USM has done more for me than any other institution of higher education has done career wise. When it comes to sports that's just a bonus. I've gotten mad over losses, and celebrated over wins. Right now I cringe at a loss, but I'm not the one putting down on other fans, just you because I don't think you're a fan. Your posts make me feel like you think USM, all the coaches, and the whole Athletic department owe you something, guess what, they don't. So stick the whole, "I was there at the 2002 Houston Bowl" BS up your pompous ass and hop off the bandwagon.

And where do I get the whole thing about you pull for LSU.. Well if I recall correctly you live somewhere in Louisiana, so I figured you wanted to pull for a winner in a big conference because that's all you spout off about.

I was at the 2002 Houston Bowl but don't you dare throw me in with Andre's crowd.

And guess what, this is the first I've heard you say it. Andre has to mention it at least once a thread when he trolls.